So now you should wait until a criminal shoots someone before you can kill them, makes perfect sense
High tension indeed, it must have been all the pools of blood and dead bodies the cops had to get through in order to reach the kid.
another story said how the kid was a victim of bully's and brought the gun to scare them.
sad story all around. the kid died and the police that shot him have to live with the thought they killed him.
No, but the fact that the kid pulled the gun, then the cops were called, and by the time they got there not a single shot had been fired, you would think someone would think to themselves, "hmmm, this kid hasn't fired a single round, maybe the gun isn't even loaded, or maybe it's a pellet gun, or maybe he doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger". I just don't believe that trained professionals couldn't approach a kid in a school from some cover, and order him to drop the weapon.
just a story to teach all the kids being bullied. settle that shit with your fists. how many parents would really give a shit if their kid was kicked out of school for trying to beat the shit of someone who is making a large majority of their day, and subsequently their relative life, hell? fuck what the State(any government) thinks.
a child with a gun in a school is high tension. not just for the cops safety but all the kids in the school. I am sure every cop/teacher had visions of colombine in there heads.
Anytime you have a person with a gun its a high tension situation.
i agree.
I have told my kids that you NEVER throw the first punch but make sure you throw the last.
I have also told them I will NEVER punish them for standing up for themselves, family or friends.
I have also told them they need to stand up to bullies. Sure they may get beat up but that is NOTHING compared to the hell they they will go through if they don't stand up to them. bullies hate it when people stand up to them and tend to leave them alone and find another target.
my son (5) has already had the school call us because he told a bully on the playground to go fuck a goat (err my fault. i told him once to say that).
lol
,... and all training, reason, logic and attempts to defuse the situation go out the window.
At the end of the day, it's the cop's call, action and life on the line. Not mine. So, they did what they had to do.
It's just my personal opinion that some attempt to end this non-lethally would have been best. Especially since no life was lost to begin with.
And, some of you, it seems, have gone through a few rounds of jerking off to this story. Stating how you are happy this kid won't be around any longer. I don't know what is more disturbing;
1) being OK with an armed officer who does not exercise ending situations like this in a non-lethal manner as best as possible.
or
2) praising the death of someone who is clearly troubled.
Stay classy gentlemen.
When protecting others there's littleroom for chance, if they had waited and it was a real gun and he shot someone before they shot him there would have been outrage at them waiting so long...and really they should have used cover and ordered him to drop it? THey did order him to drop it and he wouldn't, whether they were behind cover or not if someone is told to drop it and they won't how long do you really think they should wait, until they do shoot someone? Taking chances with other peoples lives is not the right thing to do...it was fully justifiedNo, but the fact that the kid pulled the gun, then the cops were called, and by the time they got there not a single shot had been fired, you would think someone would think to themselves, "hmmm, this kid hasn't fired a single round, maybe the gun isn't even loaded, or maybe it's a pellet gun, or maybe he doesn't have the balls to pull the trigger". I just don't believe that trained professionals couldn't approach a kid in a school from some cover, and order him to drop the weapon.
I disagree with never throwing the first punch. Should never get past them saying they want to get down. Once they do, it's on.
When protecting others there's littleroom for chance, if they had waited and it was a real gun and he shot someone before they shot him there would have been outrage at them waiting so long...and really they should have used cover and ordered him to drop it? THey did order him to drop it and he wouldn't, whether they were behind cover or not if someone is told to drop it and they won't how long do you really think they should wait, until they do shoot someone? Taking chances with other peoples lives is not the right thing to do...it was fully justified
,... and all training, reason, logic and attempts to defuse the situation go out the window.
At the end of the day, it's the cop's call, action and life on the line. Not mine. So, they did what they had to do.
It's just my personal opinion that some attempt to end this non-lethally would have been best. Especially since no life was lost to begin with.
And, some of you, it seems, have gone through a few rounds of jerking off to this story. Stating how you are happy this kid won't be around any longer. I don't know what is more disturbing;
1) being OK with an armed officer who does not exercise ending situations like this in a non-lethal manner as best as possible.
or
2) praising the death of someone who is clearly troubled.
Stay classy gentlemen.
You gotta love internet tough guy talk. It's so quaint.
- wolf
please wolf. if someone comes up to you talking shit and wants to fight, you're going to wait for them to hit you? i don't know about you but i don't like getting sucker punched and i don't like losing fights, so i'm going to hit them and keep hitting them well before they raise their fists to me.
i'm talking about guys who get heated and up in your face about some little non-sense who'll shove or say some stupid shit. drunk fucks at a bar or bullies for example.
Never been in a fight in my life. True story. I avoided them in school and was called a pussy for it. Also true story. Unless you were raised in a tough area/inner city etc., there isn't much reason to have been involved in many physical altercations. Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable.
- wolf
i agree.
trouble is that is not always possible. with a bully you can't walk away or hide. it just gets 100 times worse.
the only real way to stop it is to stand up to them.
i don't want my kids to fight. But i also don't want them tormented by a bully.
Never been in a fight in my life. True story. I avoided them in school and was called a pussy for it. Also true story. Unless you were raised in a tough area/inner city etc., there isn't much reason to have been involved in many physical altercations. Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable.
- wolf
Yeah I was bullied in school a little bit, middle school gym class. I probably could have shut it down by beating on someone, maybe getting my ass kicked. I didn't, and I seem to have gotten past those years just fine. I won't deny that there are cases where the bullying is severe/dangerous enough that throwing a punch is the most rational alternative. However, I think that option should be considered a last resort, not a first resort. There is a lot of machismo that feeds into these kinds of discussions, whether people admit it or not.
- wolf
since you quote me on that. where have i said its good that the young man was shot?
I said i do not blame the cop and all blame needs to be on the kid that brought the gun.
I have also said they need to look at WHY the kid brought it. Another article said the kid was a victim of bullies. the school needs to deal with that.
i have also said its a sad story for the kid, hsi family and the cop that shot him. I am not happy the kid died but i won't blame the cop and feel he did what he had to. could it been handeled diffrent? sure if the cops knew it was a pellet gun they could have walked up to him and took it.
but considering they didn't know and had to protect the other kids they did what was right.
..., some of you,...
,... CUZ THIS HERE IS TEXAS!!! Yeeeeeeeeeeehhhaaaaaaawwwwww!!!
for the most part it is avoidable, but not always. also, if they didn't want physical action why did they make physical threats? i live my life by the golden rule for the most part, but the golden rule works both ways.
Violence IMO is not a principled response to violence. Look at the Israeli-Arab dispute that goes back for decades. When will that cycle ever be broken?
I was bullied in school too. i found the only way to end it was to stand up for myself (i was 5ft 3 and maybe 110 as a jr) win or lose a bully didn't want to go in a second fight.
should it be a last resort? yes. but i won't have my kids be tortured either. Also to say that ". Fighting is 100% idiotic if it is at all avoidable." is idiotic too.
A child that is a victim of bully and the school not doing anything (wich happens far more then people think) needs to do something. walking away just makes it worse.