9/11 consipracy movie

[spacejamz]

sounds like a few people here should be combing the hot deals forum for sales on aluminum foil...

just imagine if these people actually channelled their focus on something constructive...

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: oddyager
I tend to respect other people's opinions but when you have "theories" that are so far out there that makes even the most brilliant fiction writers envious then how do you expect people to even take you seriously?

Government detonating carefully placed charges so both towers fall "their" way. Brilliant. :disgust:

so you think the buildings fell EXACTLY like a controlled demolition on PURE coincidence and chance alone? not once but 3 TIMES in the space of 10 minutes?

i find that difficult to believe.

pure random chance, purely an accident. hmmmm.

if you don't find that even the slightest bit incredulus than YOU are the one reading fiction.

 

[GasX]

I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Their minds were freed by an elite and secretive organization founded in the 60's called FTARD. The freeing of their minds is done through consumption of lead paint chips which were selectively placed in their bedrooms when they turn two. The leader of this movement, Dr. C. Everrett Koop, selects only those minds who are ready to be freed to see the truth for what it is. These people are then trained and taught to utilize the freedom of thought their lead paint chip ingestion imparted upon them to seek out, identify and expose conspiracies all over the world.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Next time stop right there if you don't want to make an ass out of yourself.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: zixxer
you are all such fscking moronic assholes.


sooo many people SAW this happen. For every 1 person who saw an 'abnormal plane', there are 200 that saw what happened. a normal commuter plane hit the towers.


If the gov't, or ANYONE else did this in ANY other way, do you REALLY think they would have hit the SECOND tower????

You should all be ashamed.

Listen to the video before making assumptions

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Next time stop right there if you don't want to make an ass out of yourself.

Next time read my entire post before making an ass of yourself...

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Their minds were freed by an elite and secretive organization founded in the 60's called FTARD. The freeing of their minds is done through consumption of lead paint chips which were selectively placed in their bedrooms when they turn two. The leader of this movement, Dr. C. Everrett Koop, selects only those minds who are ready to be freed to see the truth for what it is. These people are then trained and taught to utilize the freedom of thought their lead paint chip ingestion imparted upon them to seek out, identify and expose conspiracies all over the world.

:roll:

just because not all of us accepts everything the media tells us as absolute truth, it does not mean we have ingested lead paint chips.


so you HONESTLY believe it was pure coincidence that the building collapsed COMPLETELY within itself leaving almost NO damage to surrounding buildings?

does that fact not surprise anyone else?

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Next time stop right there if you don't want to make an ass out of yourself.

Next time read my entire post before making an ass of yourself...

I did, and decided to cut out the BS and unfunny commentary you made, but kept the sentence that more closely resembles the truth.

 

[Xylitol]

This thing got moved back into OP??? lol
OT -> Locked -> P&N -> OT

 

[GasX]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Their minds were freed by an elite and secretive organization founded in the 60's called FTARD. The freeing of their minds is done through consumption of lead paint chips which were selectively placed in their bedrooms when they turn two. The leader of this movement, Dr. C. Everrett Koop, selects only those minds who are ready to be freed to see the truth for what it is. These people are then trained and taught to utilize the freedom of thought their lead paint chip ingestion imparted upon them to seek out, identify and expose conspiracies all over the world.

:roll:

just because not all of us accepts everything the media tells us as absolute truth, it does not mean we have ingested lead paint chips.


so you HONESTLY believe it was pure coincidence that the building collapsed COMPLETELY within itself leaving almost NO damage to surrounding buildings?

does that fact not surprise anyone else?

Without looking at any of the evidence or thinking about it too deeply, it does seem like a bit of a coincidence.

Consider that once the planes hit, they exploded spreading burning jet fuel accross the entire floor. The burning jet fuel then compromised the entire structure fairly uniformly until it collapsed upon itself.

Seems fairly reasonable to me.

According to Occam's Razor, we are done. Creating a convoluted story about how explosives were placed in advance and managed to not detonate when half the building was burning at a billion degrees and were then detonated at an appropriate time according to plan as laid out in a government conspiracy to create public support for a war for oil

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Their minds were freed by an elite and secretive organization founded in the 60's called FTARD. The freeing of their minds is done through consumption of lead paint chips which were selectively placed in their bedrooms when they turn two. The leader of this movement, Dr. C. Everrett Koop, selects only those minds who are ready to be freed to see the truth for what it is. These people are then trained and taught to utilize the freedom of thought their lead paint chip ingestion imparted upon them to seek out, identify and expose conspiracies all over the world.

:roll:

just because not all of us accepts everything the media tells us as absolute truth, it does not mean we have ingested lead paint chips.


so you HONESTLY believe it was pure coincidence that the building collapsed COMPLETELY within itself leaving almost NO damage to surrounding buildings?

does that fact not surprise anyone else?

Without looking at any of the evidence or thinking about it too deeply, it does seem like a bit of a coincidence.

Consider that once the planes hit, they exploded spreading burning jet fuel accross the entire floor. The burning jet fuel then compromised the entire structure fairly uniformly until it collapsed upon itself.

Seems fairly reasonable to me.

According to Occam's Razor, we are done. Creating a convoluted story about how explosives were placed in advance and managed to not detonate when half the building was burning at a billion degrees and were then detonated at an appropriate time according to plan as laid out in a government conspiracy to create public support for a war for oil

only if it explains it thoroughly. the simplest plausible explanation. hence we aren't done.

lets say 100 jets hit 100 buildings, how many do you think would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

lets say 100 pairs of planes hit 100 pairs of buildings, how many of those pairs of buildings would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

the basis of scientific theory is the ability to reproduce something. can that be done?

why have all these explosive experts if all you need is a jet plane with jet fuel to hit a building and make is collapse precisely as the twin towers did?

to me the jet fuel does not explain what happened, plus Raytheon and their buddies profited to the tune of 20 TRILLION dollars.

strange coincidence.

 

[Soccerman06]

HAHA I watched this on the local Public Access TV Station 2 nights ago, was pritty amazed how this guy doesnt even seem to use common sense about a building falling.

Lets think about this, a plane takes out the whole corner of a building, 50,000 tons (100,000 tons total) are sitting on 3/5 of what it was suppose to happen, and when steel is heated up to 2000 C, it loses 90% of its strength. That makes it pritty simple to understand that half the building's weight was going to force the building to collapse. When a building falls, its not like everything just falls apart. The concrete collumns and steel bracing litterally cumble and shatter, and thats what the blasts of dust are when the building falls.

I do wonder about the Pentagon thing, but seriously, this guy needs to get a life.

Edit: Jet fuel doesnt need to heat up the building structure, there are other things in the building that are flamable, like paper, carpet, wood, plastic (somewhat), and so-on. When you get the whole floor of a building on fire, the walls at somepoint are going to catch fire (paint may or may not, but dry wall will) and its going to get VERY hot.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
HAHA I watched this on the local Public Access TV Station 2 nights ago, was pritty amazed how this guy doesnt even seem to use common sense about a building falling.

Lets think about this, a plane takes out the whole corner of a building, 50000 tons are sitting on 3/5 of what it was suppose to happen, and when steel is heated up to 2000 C, it loses 90% of its strength. That makes it pritty simple to understand that half the building's weight was going to force the building to collapse. When a building falls, its not like everything just falls apart. The concrete collumns and steel bracing litterally cumble and shatter, and thats what the blasts of dust are when the building falls.

I do wonder about the Pentagon thing, but seriously, this guy needs to get a life.

to use your logic tho, was the plane in the PRECISE center of the building? if not then it stands to reason there would be more heat on ONE side of the building than the other. it is WAY simpler to use Occam's Razor to say that there would be an UNEVEN distribution of jet fuel in the building than an EVEN one. hence it should have collapsed to ONE side NOT straight down the middle.

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

only if it explains it thoroughly. the simplest plausible explanation. hence we aren't done.

lets say 100 jets hit 100 buildings, how many do you think would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

lets say 100 pairs of planes hit 100 pairs of buildings, how many of those pairs of buildings would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

the basis of scientific theory is the ability to reproduce something. can that be done?

why have all these explosive experts if all you need is a jet plane with jet fuel to hit a building and make is collapse precisely as the twin towers did?

to me the jet fuel does not explain what happened, plus Raytheon and their buddies profited to the tune of 20 TRILLION dollars.

strange coincidence.

Oh my sweetness. There are people like you still out there?

So you mean to say you don't understand how thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel
at a few thousand degrees would weaken a steel structure to the point of collapse?

If not... then you are truly hopeless.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Mwilding

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Mwilding
I firmly believe that conspiracy theorists have it right.

Their minds were freed by an elite and secretive organization founded in the 60's called FTARD. The freeing of their minds is done through consumption of lead paint chips which were selectively placed in their bedrooms when they turn two. The leader of this movement, Dr. C. Everrett Koop, selects only those minds who are ready to be freed to see the truth for what it is. These people are then trained and taught to utilize the freedom of thought their lead paint chip ingestion imparted upon them to seek out, identify and expose conspiracies all over the world.

:roll:

just because not all of us accepts everything the media tells us as absolute truth, it does not mean we have ingested lead paint chips.


so you HONESTLY believe it was pure coincidence that the building collapsed COMPLETELY within itself leaving almost NO damage to surrounding buildings?

does that fact not surprise anyone else?

Without looking at any of the evidence or thinking about it too deeply, it does seem like a bit of a coincidence.

Consider that once the planes hit, they exploded spreading burning jet fuel accross the entire floor. The burning jet fuel then compromised the entire structure fairly uniformly until it collapsed upon itself.

Seems fairly reasonable to me.

According to Occam's Razor, we are done. Creating a convoluted story about how explosives were placed in advance and managed to not detonate when half the building was burning at a billion degrees and were then detonated at an appropriate time according to plan as laid out in a government conspiracy to create public support for a war for oil

only if it explains it thoroughly. the simplest plausible explanation. hence we aren't done.

lets say 100 jets hit 100 buildings, how many do you think would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

lets say 100 pairs of planes hit 100 pairs of buildings, how many of those pairs of buildings would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

the basis of scientific theory is the ability to reproduce something. can that be done?

why have all these explosive experts if all you need is a jet plane with jet fuel to hit a building and make is collapse precisely as the twin towers did?

to me the jet fuel does not explain what happened, plus Raytheon and their buddies profited to the tune of 20 TRILLION dollars.

strange coincidence.

Just to add more visible information to this jet feul theory, you can clearly see a HUGE amount of it explode outward away from the building when the second building is crashed into, so most of it wasn't even there when whatever was left started to leak. And yes.. Raytheon profited BIG TIME in the long run, something that could be predicted in a time of crisis after terrorists crash planes into 3 of the most populated buildings in America.

We could go back and fourth on thousands of issues about 9/11 but the fact is there are tapes and debris and EIGHT black boxes (no way 7 of them were destoryed, being made out of that material) that could be released to debunk many theories, and until they are able to corroberate their stories with some hard evidence, NO WAY am I believing most of this. You can, but I won't.

 

[PlatinumGold]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137363/

watch Jeff Bridges in "Arlington Road" a conspiracy theorists DREAM.

how the EVIDENCE does NOT show the truth.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: MathMan

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

only if it explains it thoroughly. the simplest plausible explanation. hence we aren't done.

lets say 100 jets hit 100 buildings, how many do you think would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

lets say 100 pairs of planes hit 100 pairs of buildings, how many of those pairs of buildings would collapse exactly as the twin towers did?

the basis of scientific theory is the ability to reproduce something. can that be done?

why have all these explosive experts if all you need is a jet plane with jet fuel to hit a building and make is collapse precisely as the twin towers did?

to me the jet fuel does not explain what happened, plus Raytheon and their buddies profited to the tune of 20 TRILLION dollars.

strange coincidence.

Oh my sweetness. There are people like you still out there?

So you mean to say you don't understand how thousands of gallons of burning jet fuel
at a few thousand degrees would weaken a steel structure to the point of collapse?

If not... then you are truly hopeless.

NOPE, where did i EVER claim that the jet fuel had nothing to do with the collapse? altho i do find it very strange that a jet that crashed into one corner of the building with explosion coming out just to the one corner, could distribute its FUEL SO evenly throughout the building as to induce a collapse STRAIGHT down the center.

that's like the theory that says, put all the parts of a watch into a bag, toss the bag around for a while and on chance ALONE all the parts will have come together to form a watch.

some things are not just improbable but IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.

I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks are totally bogus and that the attack happened just how the general public believes it did.

Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.

I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks happened just how the general public believes it did.

Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.

beyond a shadow of a doubt?

obviously not.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Soccerman06
HAHA I watched this on the local Public Access TV Station 2 nights ago, was pritty amazed how this guy doesnt even seem to use common sense about a building falling.

Lets think about this, a plane takes out the whole corner of a building, 50000 tons are sitting on 3/5 of what it was suppose to happen, and when steel is heated up to 2000 C, it loses 90% of its strength. That makes it pritty simple to understand that half the building's weight was going to force the building to collapse. When a building falls, its not like everything just falls apart. The concrete collumns and steel bracing litterally cumble and shatter, and thats what the blasts of dust are when the building falls.

I do wonder about the Pentagon thing, but seriously, this guy needs to get a life.

to use your logic tho, was the plane in the PRECISE center of the building? if not then it stands to reason there would be more heat on ONE side of the building than the other. it is WAY simpler to use Occam's Razor to say that there would be an UNEVEN distribution of jet fuel in the building than an EVEN one. hence it should have collapsed to ONE side NOT straight down the middle.

Yes true, but one would assume that the fire would spread past a certain part of the building, so it mgiht be hotter on one side, but the other side will still be hot enough for the metal to weaken to a point where the building will fall. Im not saying that it wouldnt fall to a side, just Im saying its possible that the fire should spread throughout.

Also, wasnt the substructure of one of the WTC attacked/bombed whatever a couple years back? I dont remember exactly what happened because I was probably 5 years old, but if it is what Im thinking of, there must have been some irreversable damage to the building, and when the upper half of the building started to fall, the weight might have been too much for the damaged foundation (maybe not repaired properly)? Of course I might just be remembering something else.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.

I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks happened just how the general public believes it did.

Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.

beyond a shadow of a doubt?

obviously not.

You haven't read the Popular Mechanics link, have you.

 

[hevnsnt]

Originally posted by: zixxer

Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion

Originally posted by: zixxer
you are all such fscking moronic assholes.


sooo many people SAW this happen. For every 1 person who saw an 'abnormal plane', there are 200 that saw what happened. a normal commuter plane hit the towers.


If the gov't, or ANYONE else did this in ANY other way, do you REALLY think they would have hit the SECOND tower????

You should all be ashamed.

The crazy people who did this decided to destroy more than one tower (whatever you think about the relevance of this decision), whoever they are:
- crazy muslims killing thousands of innocents in order to convince the Pentagon to remove its troops from muslim countries
- crazy capitalists wanting a catalystic event to have the perfect excuse to colonize strategic countries at the end of the age of oil, allied with a crazy military-industrial-intelligence complex in perpetual need of new wars to grow and justify its very costly existence

What happened on 9/11 didn't have to do with oil, muslim, or any crap like that.

It's a bunch of fscking psychotic sheeple cult-like people. This is no different that the 'cult of the dead cow' or whoever it was that had mass suicide awhile back, just on a grander scale.

There is WAY too much risk involved in something like this for it to be faked by any gov't or company or wtfever you idiots are trying to think to be 'different'.

If the gov't wanted to do something like this, it would have been much easier to have a very tiny nuclear 'strike' on some town somewhere. Virtually untracable and much easier to blame on bin laden. 3-4 plane crashes in areas viewed by HUNDREDS of people would be way too risky... on top of the fact that the 'liberal' (regardless of your political association, most media associations are very liberal) media would have been all over it in a heartbeat. It always takes a couple years for these stupid theories to fall out of the woodwork.

lol -- back oriface MF'ers

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?

:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|

Lock and ban.

WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.

I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks happened just how the general public believes it did.

Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.

beyond a shadow of a doubt?

obviously not.

You haven't read the Popular Mechanics link, have you.

yes i have and i don't see any real proof, just the same kind of opinons and eye witness accounts etc that you get in the film linked in the OP.

FACT: Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.

this is irrefutible proof? it's OPINION.

"IF it is atomized and IF it happened to go down specific elevator shafts" you call that indisputible evidence?

all i see is speculation and evidence that it would have taken a Series of events all of which hinge on IF's to take place in order to have what we saw happen happen.