Originally posted by: Nik
It's entirely too logical to accept it the way the general public accepts it.
You seem to scoff at reasonable interpretations of facts and evidence just so you can hold onto your theory like a 2 year olds blanky...Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
this is irrefutible proof? it's OPINION.
"IF it is atomized and IF it happened to go down specific elevator shafts" you call that indisputible evidence?
all i see is speculation and evidence that it would have taken a Series of events all of which hinge on IF's to take place in order to have what we saw happen happen.
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?
:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|
Lock and ban.
WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.
I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks are totally bogus and that the attack happened just how the general public believes it did.
Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?
:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|
Lock and ban.
WRONG, protesting the war is NOT a knock on veterans and NOT accepting the media report of what happened in the Twin Towers is NOT a knock on the families.
I'm not talking about the war. It's already been determined beyond a shadow of a doubt that conspiracy theories about the 9/11 attacks are totally bogus and that the attack happened just how the general public believes it did.
Drumming this ****** up over and over is nothing more than insulting now.
You are very unamerican. You speak like a Chinese communist dictator, or a Soviet dictator: those who do not agree with you do not deserve free speech!
I shall add that you do not care about the facts when you dare speaking in the name of the victims' families: not only is it gross, not only doing so you are falling at the lowest levels of bad rethoric, but above all you are misrepresenting those families!!! Many families say that the 9/11 commission report is a cover-up!!!
I suggest you STFU and research what those families have to say, in the hope that you stop insulting those families.
I also suggest that you watch this new documentary, 911 Eyewitness, which includes footage in which you can see and hear four bombs exploding in the WTC:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
Then come back and dare tell me that what you saw and heard did not happen!
I recommend you also watch Loose Change 2nd Edition; it includes a lot more testimonies and documents about the bombs inside the WTC (included are many testimonies and radio recordings of the firefighters inside the WTC reporting bombs exploding at different floors, and the fire being very limited, and about to be under control), and got rid of dubious theories based on low quality videos (missile under the WTC planes theory):
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
Originally posted by: Nik
Why the hell does this have to keep coming up? Isn't it the same OP that keeps posting this damn bullshit?
:| What a giant insult to those and the families of those who've died in the tragic attack. :|
Lock and ban.
Originally posted by: Mwilding
You seem to scoff at reasonable interpretations of facts and evidence just so you can hold onto your theory like a 2 year olds blanky...Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
this is irrefutible proof? it's OPINION.
"IF it is atomized and IF it happened to go down specific elevator shafts" you call that indisputible evidence?
all i see is speculation and evidence that it would have taken a Series of events all of which hinge on IF's to take place in order to have what we saw happen happen.
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
About Popular Mechanics.
The debunking got debunked:
http://911review.com/pm/markup/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html
Originally posted by: Night Blade
I think the truth lies somewhere in between these extremes, can you honestly say the government never covers up anything at all? Truth is there's some very rich bastards out there who profited tremendously from 9/11 & continue to do so, not to say 9/11 was done on purpose but could this happen? Could someone plan something this elaborate? For a couple billion I can't see why not.
But, where's the real proof? footage from the Pentagon, or just 1 of those flight recorders would put all these conspricay theories to rest.
Originally posted by: Night Blade
I think the truth lies somewhere in between these extremes, can you honestly say the government never covers up anything at all? Truth is there's some very rich bastards out there who profited tremendously from 9/11 & continue to do so, not to say 9/11 was done on purpose but could this happen? Could someone plan something this elaborate? For a couple billion I can't see why not.
But, where's the real proof? footage from the Pentagon, or just 1 of those flight recorders would put all these conspricay theories to rest.
It's funny that over the years more people have begun to accept the govenment playing a role in the JFK assassination. The JFK movie only exemplified it, it wasn't the main cause. But maybe as time goes by and we get futher away from the incident more people will be open minded about it like they were with JFK. I'm in the same boat as you guys and like to take this stance just to balance the pig-headedness on here, but by no means am I in totally agreement with the theorists, I just like the points they make.Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Night Blade
I think the truth lies somewhere in between these extremes, can you honestly say the government never covers up anything at all? Truth is there's some very rich bastards out there who profited tremendously from 9/11 & continue to do so, not to say 9/11 was done on purpose but could this happen? Could someone plan something this elaborate? For a couple billion I can't see why not.
But, where's the real proof? footage from the Pentagon, or just 1 of those flight recorders would put all these conspricay theories to rest.
i'm not saying all the conspiracy theories are right. it was just driving me nuts the extremity of the Anti Conspiracists in this thread, so i was playing devils advocate. probably my stand is pretty close to what you posted.
but you have to admit the anti conspiracists came on pretty strong.
again, i think there are a lot of inconsistencies in the govt explanation. and it seems like it is in their power to put those to rest if they wanted to. however they aren't hence the rise of more conspiracy theories.
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
It's funny that over the years more people have begun to accept the govenment playing a role in the JFK assassination. The JFK movie only exemplified it, it wasn't the main cause. But maybe as time goes by and we get futher away from the incident more people will be open minded about it like they were with JFK. I'm in the same boat as you guys and like to take this stance just to balance the pig-headedness on here, but by no means am I in totally agreement with the theorists, I just like the points they make.Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Night Blade
I think the truth lies somewhere in between these extremes, can you honestly say the government never covers up anything at all? Truth is there's some very rich bastards out there who profited tremendously from 9/11 & continue to do so, not to say 9/11 was done on purpose but could this happen? Could someone plan something this elaborate? For a couple billion I can't see why not.
But, where's the real proof? footage from the Pentagon, or just 1 of those flight recorders would put all these conspricay theories to rest.
i'm not saying all the conspiracy theories are right. it was just driving me nuts the extremity of the Anti Conspiracists in this thread, so i was playing devils advocate. probably my stand is pretty close to what you posted.
but you have to admit the anti conspiracists came on pretty strong.
again, i think there are a lot of inconsistencies in the govt explanation. and it seems like it is in their power to put those to rest if they wanted to. however they aren't hence the rise of more conspiracy theories.
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
watching the initial video footage - those videos have so little focus on the planes when they hit the WTC that it's impossible to make a sure statement about the status of the aircraft bodies, IMO.
I don't see why people would try and say two commuter planes didn't hit the towers, that is pretty cut and dry.
Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't see why people would try and say two commuter planes didn't hit the towers, that is pretty cut and dry.
What you will never sell me on is a huge plane hitting the pentagon and only doing the damage it did.
The security video, while short and vague, would show more than a split second flash if a 155ft plane was flying past it. Also no one in washington noticed a huge jetliner flying incredibly low towards the pentagon?
The way it crashed into the pentagon it would have to been flying very low for sometime in order to impact the way it did.
/tinfoil
Originally posted by: SampSon
I don't see why people would try and say two commuter planes didn't hit the towers, that is pretty cut and dry.
What you will never sell me on is a huge plane hitting the pentagon and only doing the damage it did.
The security video, while short and vague, would show more than a split second flash if a 155ft plane was flying past it. Also no one in washington noticed a huge jetliner flying incredibly low towards the pentagon?
The way it crashed into the pentagon it would have to been flying very low for sometime in order to impact the way it did.
/tinfoil