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Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
lol a missile is fired jus before impact......lol this is great, he can glean all this from poor quality Standard definition american cable TV at 24fps or less and some dudes handy cam work. hilarious

if you watch the videos even at regular speed, you can definitely see flashes under the wings right before the planes hit.

Maybe, but the video camera captures reality at 25 images per second, while an airplane travels 7 yards during 1/25th of a second (if it moved at 400 mph, a speed I read for the WTC airplanes): so when you see a flash, it is highly likely that it started between two images, and grew to a certain size, and mixed with the moving plane by the time an image was captured; the timing and the positions of the solid and light objects captured are not precise. Plus the images you saw are not high quality movie pictures, there are video images with far fewer pixels, and they are the results of numerical zooms, which alter the image: what you see is altered reality, not reality.
 

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and the missle was guided by highly sophisticated alien technology from area 51 that allowed it to be launched and to stirke with such precision that it would garrantee a hit at the exact moment the plane impacted the tower and of course so precice that it was inbetween frames this alien technology was wielded by hitler, who actually didn't die in ww2 but was given eternal life by secret nazi sacience and made a deal with the leaders of the military industrial complex to share his secert in return for a seat of power at their secret government that rules the world.



easiest explanation is most likely.
 
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Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
lol a missile is fired jus before impact......lol this is great, he can glean all this from poor quality Standard definition american cable TV at 24fps or less and some dudes handy cam work. hilarious

if you watch the videos even at regular speed, you can definitely see flashes under the wings right before the planes hit.

Maybe, but the video camera captures reality at 25 images per second, while an airplane travels 7 yards during 1/25th of a second (if it moved at 400 mph, a speed I read for the WTC airplanes): so when you see a flash, it is highly likely that it started between two images, and grew to a certain size, and mixed with the moving plane by the time an image was captured; the timing and the positions of the solid and light objects captured are not precise. Plus the images you saw are not high quality movie pictures, there are video images with far fewer pixels, and they are the results of numerical zooms, which alter the image: what you see is altered reality, not reality.


it could of been anything, could of even been a simple reflection off the underside
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
Originally posted by: Votingisanillusion
Originally posted by: OREOSpeedwagon
Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
lol a missile is fired jus before impact......lol this is great, he can glean all this from poor quality Standard definition american cable TV at 24fps or less and some dudes handy cam work. hilarious

if you watch the videos even at regular speed, you can definitely see flashes under the wings right before the planes hit.

Maybe, but the video camera captures reality at 25 images per second, while an airplane travels 7 yards during 1/25th of a second (if it moved at 400 mph, a speed I read for the WTC airplanes): so when you see a flash, it is highly likely that it started between two images, and grew to a certain size, and mixed with the moving plane by the time an image was captured; the timing and the positions of the solid and light objects captured are not precise. Plus the images you saw are not high quality movie pictures, there are video images with far fewer pixels, and they are the results of numerical zooms, which alter the image: what you see is altered reality, not reality.


it could of been anything, could of even been a simple reflection off the underside

Exactly, or the crash.
 

flexy

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whow....i just watched the whole hour.....

Very good points except that i disregard the first 10 mins of the movie. It doesnt really matter whether the planes "shot missiles" seconds before the impact...or had attached explosive devices..like they needed "aid" in the impact. I always thought this theory is total BS, also the videos/evidence shown in the first 10mins (flashes before impact)...really not very convincing. It would be totally pointles anyway to shoot a missile in addition or attach a "bomb" to the plane..what would be the point ? It only gives the theories LESS credibility.

However, after those 10 first mins the documentary gets very interesting.

At the end..that guy really does NOT look like Osama..anyone agree ? (However, didnt her refer to 9/11 in later tapes he did ?)
 

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Originally posted by: flexy
whow....i just watched the whole hour.....

Very good points except that i disregard the first 10 mins of the movie. It doesnt really matter whether the planes "shot missiles" seconds before the impact...or had attached explosive devices..like they needed "aid" in the impact. I always thought this theory is total BS, also the videos/evidence shown in the first 10mins (flashes before impact)...really not very convincing. It would be totally pointles anyway to shoot a missile in addition or attach a "bomb" to the plane..what would be the point ? It only gives the theories LESS credibility.

However, after those 10 first mins the documentary gets very interesting.

At the end..that guy really does NOT look like Osama..anyone agree ? (However, didnt her refer to 9/11 in later tapes he did ?)

Well, money can do things if you ask me. Its still interesting how they show what jet engines do to nearby cars, yet people on the interstate claimed the jet flew right over them before it whacked the Pentagon. Sure :roll:
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: flexy
whow....i just watched the whole hour.....

Very good points except that i disregard the first 10 mins of the movie. It doesnt really matter whether the planes "shot missiles" seconds before the impact...or had attached explosive devices..like they needed "aid" in the impact. I always thought this theory is total BS, also the videos/evidence shown in the first 10mins (flashes before impact)...really not very convincing. It would be totally pointles anyway to shoot a missile in addition or attach a "bomb" to the plane..what would be the point ? It only gives the theories LESS credibility.

However, after those 10 first mins the documentary gets very interesting.

At the end..that guy really does NOT look like Osama..anyone agree ? (However, didnt her refer to 9/11 in later tapes he did ?)


From this thread (today):
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1790426&enterthread=y

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/29/1038386299712.html

The latest audiotape statement attributed to Osama bin Laden is not authentic, according to a Swiss research institute.

<< The Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, IDIAP, said it was 95 per cent certain the tape does not feature bin Laden's voice.

The review of the tape was commissioned by France-2 television and its findings were presented by the institute's director, Professor Herve Bourlard, in a TV report.

Bourlard said the institute compared the voice on the tape, first aired two weeks ago on Al-Jazeera, an Arabic television network, with some 20 earlier recordings attributed to bin Laden.

Bourlard, a voice recognition expert, has worked extensively with the International Computer Science Institute at Berkeley, California. He has also worked as co-editor-in-chief of the Speech Communication journal with ICSI director Nelson Morgan, and as an adviser to the European Commission. He is the author or co-author of 150 research papers and two books.

On its Internet site, the IDIAP describes itself as a semiprivate research institute affiliated with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, a highly respected organisation, and the University of Geneva. It carries out research in the fields of speech and speaker recognition, computer vision and machine learning.

Officials at the institute could not be reached for comment late today.

US experts have maintained the tape will likely never be fully authenticated because its poor quality defies complete analysis by even the most sophisticated voice print technology.

But US experts who have heard it generally support the conclusion by US law enforcement officials that it probably is bin Laden speaking.

In the tape, the speaker refers to recent terrorist strikes US officials believe are connected to bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. If fully verified, it would provide the first evidence in a year that bin Laden survived US bombing in Afghanistan. >>




Surprise, surprise:

The United States government has a voice morphing technology in its possession...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
 

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Pretty interesting stuff there, I am not one for conspiracy theories but very compelling evidence there. I guess I have been living under a rock for the last 4 years cause this is the first I have seen all this....
 

flexy

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Originally posted by: imthebadguy
cliffs?


you should at LEAST take the time for yourself.

Also...your sig
BUY AMERICAN, BUY A FORD!...its just too ironic because i read an article last week (in the wake of the ford plants closing) that you are WAY better off supporting America if you buy a a frickin' Toyota, Hyundai or Nissan because their plants IN the states - while US automakers outsource and most of the parts for ford etc. come from ASIA. A significant amount of the "asian" cars in the US is actually produced RIGHT HERE by american workers.


Too lazy for a link..anyway sorry for OT ranting

KNOWLEDGE is helpful in forming an opinion...and thats why i also say BETTER make your own opinion and dont echo anything because you HEARD it.
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: imthebadguy
cliffs?

I guess you may be too lazy to read the previous pages of this thread as well. So here is what you missed:
I recommend you watch Loose Change 2nd Edition; it got rid of the dubious theory based on low quality videos that there could have been a missile attached to the WTC planes:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
The majority of its content is very convincing.

I also suggest that you watch this new documentary, 911 Eyewitness, which includes footage in which you can see and hear four bombs exploding in the WTC before the collapse:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3498980438587461603&q=eyewitness
Like Zapruder, by chance this guy had his video camera positioned in the perfect place, which let him capture what happened much better than most TV crews, which were all in the same place.

The documentary "Confronting the Evidence -A call to reopen the 911 investigation" (NOT copyrighted) contains a very thorough analysis of the WTC collapses (from 39:50 on).
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9124194186333362123&q=9%2F11+reopen

Everything about the mysterious collapse of WTC7, hit by no plane at all:
http://www.wtc7.net/contents.html
It contained thousands of sensitive SEC files that many corrupt friends of this administration wanted destroyed. How lucky these guys are!

Interesting C-SPAN videos:
http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.p...roduct_video_info&products_id=187857-1
http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.p...roduct_video_info&products_id=187857-2
http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.p...roduct_video_info&products_id=188134-1
http://www.c-spanstore.org/shop/index.p...o_info&products_id=186335-1&template=4
Available on emule. Or there for Griffin:
http://www.911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html

There is that one, too:
C-SPAN- Judicial Watch News Conference with FBI Special Agent Robert Wright
rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/idrive/ter053002_judicial.rm
Former FBI counter-terrorism agent Robert Wright claims that the agency inhibited his probes into terrorist groups

Many videos few people know about, there: http://www.911busters.com/
Like:
- 1st International Citizen's Inquiry into 9-11 held in San Francisco March 2004
- DC Emergency Truth Convergence, July, 2005
- 9-11 Awareness Exercise 4th of July '05
- Citizens' Commission on 9/11
- Misc. Audio / Video Evidence Exposing the 9-11 Cover Up
- LA Citizens' 9-11 Grand Jury, Oct. 2004

In 9-11 Perspectives, a Brigadier General who worked in the White House under Eisenhower says that "he realized he was losing control" and that the military-industrial complex "was not going to be in the best hands". Other specialists explain that the creation of the NSC and the CIA meant the creation of a state within the state, without democratic oversight. Absolute power. Corrupts absolutely.

About Popular Mechanics attack against 9-11 independant investigators: the debunking got debunked:
http://911review.com/pm/markup/
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
Funny: Ben Chertoff, the chief editor of the piece, is cousins with Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of Homeland Security, an agency which owes its very existence to the establishment version of the 9/11 attack.
When asked if he was related to Michael Chertoff, he said, "I don't know." Clearly uncomfortable about discussing the matter.
911review.com's Mainstream Press Attacks page contains an expose' of connections between the Hearst Corporation -- owner of Popular Mechanics -- and the CIA.

Other great documentaries:

Painful Deceptions (reopen911 edition)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1336167662031629480&q=painful+deceptions

Truth & Lies of 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145&q=9%2F11+ruppert

The Great Conspiracy -The.9-11.News.Special.You.Never.Saw
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...813972926262623&q=the+great+conspiracy

search results for "Alex Jones" = 3 video.google pages
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=alex+jones&so=0

A site with up-to-date info about 9/11 research: http://www.911blogger.com/

A site to see clearly through some apparent contradictions of 9/11 researchers (some may well be CIA trying to disinform people and discredit independant researchers; it happened with JFK): http://www.questionsquestions.net/
 

0roo0roo

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wow, it seems the world wide media is suppressing all this "evidence" huh? i guess they don't want their story of the century

lol...the tinfoil hat is strong with this one.
 

Votingisanillusion

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
wow, it seems the world wide media is suppressing all this "evidence" huh? i guess they don't want their story of the century

lol...the tinfoil hat is strong with this one.

Internet is not part of the media?
Let me guess...OK, when you say media, you think corporate media, media owned by a few billionaires and corporations. Did those media ever seriously investigate the death of JFK and then push for the prosecution and imprisonment of LBJ, the CIA, the military-industrial complex,...? No! They did not! Which proves those who control those corporate media were part of the conspiracy; their role was to lie to the public. So do I care if those criminal liars push only the criminal Bush and co's version of 9/11, the one written by people chosen by Bush, after refusing for more than a year to give money to a commission to publicly investigate 9/11? Guess my answer! Hint: many victims' families say this commission's report is a cover-up; they even sued Bush: they think he is responsible for 9/11.

By the way, those corporate media covered up the fraud organized by Jeb Bush in Florida uncovered by BBC reporter Greg Palast.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1174000/1174115.stm
Excerpt: << The difficult questions are: Did Governor Jeb Bush, his Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and her Director of Elections, Clayton Roberts, know they had wrongly barred 22,000 black, Democrat voters before the elections? After the elections did they use their powers to prevent the count of 20,000 votes for the Democrats? >> His investigation proved the answer is Yes. The real Floridagate did not happen on the criminal lying US media.
 

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A couple questions for you Votingisanillusion since you probably know and seen more than about these 9/11 sub-plots.

1. How can the administration say all but one of the black boxes were destroyed when boxes were proved to be indestructable under the conditions they were most likely in?

2, What immediate and long-term effects did 9/11 do for Bush? Chaney is the one with the big war contract, and the owner of Raytheon obviously profitted well, but was Bush really just after oil?

3. The attacks happened during Bush's first year on the job as president, do you think he could architech something like this or do you think it could have been a government project for a while that just needed the right man in office?

4. What are your thoughts about the plane that want down in Shanksville? You would think its black box would be intact right? But do you think there was actually a target for this plane, and if not how did it figure into the governments great scheme of things by doing nothing but being shot down?

5. Is there a public manifest of people who were on board the plane that supposedly went into the Pentigon? It seems to me that the truth would lay with victims families and they would ask for any body evidence that could be found in the wreckage.
 

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This "Conspiracy Therory" seems to be the one picking up steam as of late.....

'Virtual Cockpit Alibis' for a Liberal 9/11?
http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7863


By: David Hawkins, Forensic Economist

At the May 2001 Bilderberg meeting, a NATO union boss, the U.S. Senator John Kerry, and Liberal bagmen from the UN Oil-for-Food program, were one war game shy of developing 'Virtual Cockpit Alibis' for leaders of an attempted coup d'etat on the Republican administration of U.S. President George Bush.
http://www.bilderberg.org/2001.htm

By May, 2001, Lansdowne Technologies, the Liberal war-game planner in Ottawa, was supposed to have trained some 'virtual-cockpit' pilots to hack into the electronic-hijacking technologies supplied by Lansdowne sub-contractors for the U.S. Air Force, the FAA and the NATO flight training schools in Canada.

Unfortunately, Lansdowne's earlier proposal to test virtual cockpits during a 'Positive Force' war game with ?a terrorist group hijack[ing] a commercial airliner and fly[ing] it into the Pentagon?, had been rejected.

April 2001 'Positive Force' was sponsored by U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff to test military mobilization and contingency plans for an attempted coup d'etat with over a dozen government agencies, including NORAD's Canadian and American virtual war room commanders, participating in exercises such as non-combat evacuation and cyber attacks [from virtual war rooms?].

Apparently, Lansdowne's electronic-hijacking scenarios were rejected because Joint staff and Bush White House officials decided - fatally - they were too disconnected to the original intent of the 'Positive Force' exercise.

Lansdowne obviously found a way to bypass the White House sceptics.

The Bilderbergers returned home late May 2001 and some joined 'Amalgam Virgo 01' - an "Everybody Participates" planning exercise - apparently sponsored by Canada's Paul Martin and 50+ Liberal co-investors in Lansdowne Technologies.

Lansdowne's Amalgam Virgo proposal document had Osama Bin Laden - an al-Qaeda fall guy - pictured on the cover and an amazing hijack scenario on Page 34.

June 1-2, 2001, Amalgam Virgo war gamers simulated a hijacked passenger plane in Alaska overflying Canada and targeting Capitol Hill - that iconic building in Washington, D.C., where U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee member, John Kerry, divides his loyalties between his country and the Bilderberg Liberals.
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

After Amalgam Virgo, Lansdowne's 'Lessons Learned' services would teach (NATO?) pilots in virtual cockpits how to hack into the flight deck of a hijacked plane, execute maneuvers, avoid interceptors, and place the plane within a few meters and/or seconds on its target.

Can you guess the rest of the story?

On 9/11, the 'Global Guardian' war gamers used virtual cockpit technology to guide a failed novice pilot in a large jet - Flight 77 - through a side door of the Pentagon just as though he was a crack fighter pilot of a small jet.

So, did the 'Global Guardian' participants in the war games of September 2001, provide 'Virtual Cockpit Alibis' for a Liberal 9/11?.

NATO is really a weaponized network of union paramilitaries and labour activists directed by the U.N.'s International Labour Organization in Geneva. The French call these labour activists, "Les Militants Syndicalistes".

The militants are deeply-embedded in the French American Foundation in New York, whose alumni include Bill and Hillary Clinton and General 'Waco' Wes Clark and various klepto-fascist Frenchmen, including one of Paul Desmarais' buddies at Groupe Axa, the Bilderberger, Henri de Castries.

http://frenchamerican.org/pubs/FAFAnnualReport2001-2.pdf
http://edimage.ca/edimage/grandspersonnages/en/carte_v05.html
http://www.insurancejournal.com/magazines/west/2001/06/25/features/18110.htm

Bilderberg and the French American Foundation is significantly bankrolled by Groupe Axa and the [Teresa] Heinz [Kerry] Corporation, so Kerry is a puppet.

I think that mobbed-up, HAZMAT-qualified members of International Union of Operating Engineers, with thrice-yearly access to WTC elevator shafts for maintenance, rigged box columns with thermite incendiaries camouflaged as insulation.
http://www.iuoeiettc.org/

The thermite reaction, where iron oxide and aluminum produce aluminum oxide and molten iron, runs at 5,000 degrees Farenheit.
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/80th/iron.html

Thermite is very difficult to ignite though and the jet fuel burning in WTC 1 and 2 and the diesel-fueled arson fires, set in WTC 7 were not hot enough.
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~gmillar/pyrotechnics/thermite.html

The plan was for three - yes three - hijacked jets out of Boston to hit the towers more or less simultaneously so the incendiaries would be ignited more or less simultaneously and the towers would collapse more or less simultaneously.

In the panic and the confusion, no-one would have been expected to notice that the hijacking events had triggered the incendiary events. Two planes were late in departure, one was grounded and their timing went to hell so they had to 'pull' the rigged buildings to destroy the evidence.
 

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New impressive and very logical articles about the latest fake Bin Laden tape created by the military-intelligence-industrial complex:
article: http://www.911blogger.com/2006/01/clumsiness-of-new-osama-propaganda.html


Clumsiness of new "Osama" propaganda: sign of increasing Bush administration desperation

Those pesky Canadians. See the original for links to supporting documents:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?...rticle&code=CHI20060125&articleId=1804

Exactly one year ago, in response to a previous bogus "Osama" transmission, I wrote:

"Like previous productions, the tape was conveniently timed to reinforce and invigorate Washington?s expanding war agenda, keep the populations of Western nations fearfully compliant and supportive of the Bush administration?s "war on terrorism", further provoke anti-Western sentiment in the Middle East. Analysis of previous alleged Osama bin Laden videos have been exposed as propaganda, likely produced by operatives of the Bush administration. We can logically conclude that this work is more of the same."

One day after the initial broadcast, Al-Jazeera.com responded with "Bin Laden tapes: fact or fiction?", a piece that questions the authenticity and too-convenient timing of this latest work, correctly suggesting the possibility of a US intelligence/Bush administration "wag the dog". In "Latest Bin Laden Tape: Another of the NeoCons' 'Greatest Hits'", Steve Watson points out, "even the BBC lays this out in the open with the headline "Bin Laden threats may boost Bush":
" ?The commander-in-chief has been under intense pressure in recent weeks, accused of trampling on civil liberties in pursuit of terror suspects. His defence has been that America is a nation at war. So Bin Laden's latest threats to launch new attacks on the US will only serve to underline this argument.

" ?The White House will also cite the tape when trying to convince allies abroad that the use of tough tactics is justified - even when civilians are killed, as in last week's air raid in Pakistan.?

"That just says it all really."
"One of the main objectives of war propaganda is to ?fabricate an enemy?. As anti-war sentiment grows and the political legitimacy of the Bush Administration falters, doubts regarding the existence of this illusive ?outside enemy? must be dispelled.
"Propaganda purports not only to drown the truth but also to ?kill the evidence? on how this ?outside enemy?, namely Osama bin Laden?s Al Qaeda was fabricated and transformed into ?Enemy Number One?. The entire National Security doctrine centers on the existence of an ?outside enemy? which is threatening the Homeland."

Anti-war Left targeted

As this writer previously noted, "if the case can be made that the tapes are, in fact, manufactured by US intelligence agencies, it stands to reason that the words out of the mouth of the Osama image have also been conceived, written and planted by these same agencies. It is therefore foolish to ?read? the tapes without this likely framework in mind?It is not a stretch to expect future bin Laden tapes to issue more specific planted facts about a variety of issues that the Bush administration wants American citizens to oppose. "

Recall that the goal of the last round of "Osama" transmissions sought to ridicule 9/11 "conspiracy theories", and the concept that oil was behind the Anglo-American war of conquest. In this followup, the Bush administration wants Americans, and the entire world, to oppose the anti-war movement. If "Osama" the arch-fiend is talking peace, then peace, of course, is unacceptable.

In a January 21, 2006 piece, "What's Not Right About the Bin Laden Tape", Wayne Madsen cuts to the heart of the Bush propaganda game:

"What's not right about the Osama Bin Laden tape. One thing that the Bush administration does well is manage perceptions of the public. Amid protests over the NSA wiretapping, the extension of the Patriot Act, and the nomination of neo-Fascist Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court, an audio tape on Osama Bin Laden is sent to Al Jazeera. On the tape, Bin Laden suddenly veers from being a traditional right-wing Wahhabi fanatic to the right of the House of Saud to a leftist progressive. The tape by Bin Laden was quickly verified as ?authentic? by a CIA that is now firmly in the grasp of neo-cons under Porter Goss.

"However, the tape is an obvious fake being used by the Bush administration to scare Americans into believing ?Al Qaeda? is making plans for another attack and an attempt to link Bin Laden to Democrats."

Madsen then gets to heart of the fakery:

"The reason the tape is as phony as Niger yellowcake documents and Saddam's weapons of mass destruction is as plain as day. ?Bin Laden? allegedly quotes from the introduction of a book written by long-time Washington, DC progressive author and journalist and a friend of mine, Bill Blum. Bill was once an editor and contributor to Covert Action Quarterly, a magazine devoted to exposing CIA operations like the arming, funding, and training of Bin Laden and his mujaheddin guerrillas during the Afghan-Soviet war.

"The Bush perception managers are either incredibly stupid or are trying to ensnare liberal journalists as aiders and abettors of Al Qaeda, something that is certainly within their scope. Bin Laden allegedly quotes the following passage from Blum's book, Rogue State: "If you (Americans) are sincere in your desire for peace and security, we have answered you. And if Bush decides to carry on with his lies and oppression, then it would be useful for you to read the book Rogue State, which states in its introduction: 'If I were president, I would stop the attacks on the United States: First I would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured. Then I would announce that American interference in the nations of the world has ended once and for all.'" However, this quote is not from Rogue State, again, pointing to a very bad forgery of the Bin Laden audiotape."

Madsen correctly points out that historian Blum?s support for the Soviet war in Afghanistan makes a plug from "Osama" all the more ridiculous:

"So, we're now supposed to believe that Bin Laden has come around to plug the book written by an author who demonstrated that the Soviet cause in Afghanistan was for self-defense and in furtherance of the well-being of the Afghan people and that Bin Laden's and his mujaheddin compatriots' cause was anti-progressive and destabilizing to the central Asian region? This would be laughable if it were not for the fact that the neo-cons are once again using the Big Lie to further their ambitions of global domination and worldwide fascism. The 911 attacks are beginning to look more and more like the Reichstag Fire, both engineered to bring about fascist control."

All signs point not to a transmission out of a mountain cave, but more likely out of Langley, Virginia office, and the desk of amateurish (and frankly, poorly-read) propaganda operatives.
 

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This sounds awfully interesting considering the timing and messeges.........

Jan. 29, 2006 11:03 a.m. EST Rueters Osama bin Laden Used John Kerry's Talking Points

Osama bin Laden may have "borrowed" some of Sen. John Kerry's talking points for the audiotaped message "he" released on Thursday - veteran CBS newsman Bob Schieffer said Saturday.

Asked whether bin Laden had expressed "almost the same" sentiments that Kerry did during an appearance on Schieffer's "Face the Nation" broadcast in December, the CBS anchorman told WABC Radio's Mark Simone: "Well, he did. That's exactly right."

Back then, Kerry complained to Schieffer: "There is no reason that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids."

In his message, bin Laden also complained that the U.S. was terrorizing Iraqi innocents, saying that "the oppressive measures adopted by the U.S. Army and its agents" show "there is no difference between this criminality and Saddam's criminality, as it has reached the degree of raping women and taking them as hostages instead of their husbands."

Schieffer said he wasn't sure whether bin Laden was consciously borrowing from Kerry, but he added it was possible.
"You can never know about things like that," he told Simone. "But these people seem to have tremendous access. And television being what it is, and now with satellites and so forth, these things go all over the world. Perhaps he did."

With developments now questioning the authenticity of the tape, and the fact that the last tape was released only days before the last election one has to wonder if Kerry himself or liberals in general could be behind the release of forged tapes. The timing is suspect as are the messages of the last two tapes.
 

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The fake tapes are falling from the sky for W.'s SOTU. W is so lucky...to have such great secret services to brainwash couch potatoes with new lies all the time (found on http://www.911blogger.com/ ):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?...icle&code=%20WA20060201&articleId=1867

Hot on the heels of Osama bin Laden's latest release, an audio tape that boosted George W. Bush's poll numbers despite it being described as a probable fake by bin Laden expert Professor Bruce Lawrence, Ayman al-Zawahri has popped up on the eve of the State of the Union to hand Bush all the ammunition he needs to threaten American citizens for a sixth consecutive time.
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Previous tapes which featured Ayman al-Zawahri were found to be cobbled together from old footage but that doesn't bother a lapdog media well versed in manufacturing consent and never offering retractions when said tapes turn out to be questionable frauds.

Nor does it seem to concern them that Al-Zawahri was reportedly arrested by the Iranians in February 2002.

Al-Zawahri and bin Laden seem to be amazingly adept at releasing statements at the most politically expedient times that benefit the Bush administration.

On the eve of the Iraq war before Colin Powell's infamous presentation to the UN, an audio tape in which bin Laden claimed he was allied with Saddam Hussein surfaced, a gift-wrapped present for the Neo-Cons who had consistently been proven wrong in their assertion that there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.

Four days before the 2004 presidential election, bin Laden appeared with Bush's 'October surprise' - claiming he ordered 9/11 and appearing to goad Americans with threats of more attacks. The tape enabled Bush to recover vital approval ratings that he had lost to John Kerry in the weeks before and win re-election.

Even veteran newsman Walter Kronkite went public to suggest the tape was a set-up masterminded by Karl Rove.

A Cornell University study confirmed that whenever a terror alert or a terror threat is issued, Bush's approval ratings show a significant jump.

Previous bin Laden tapes were proven to be fraudulent by voice analysis labs in Europe.
 

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Physics professor Steven Jones, from Brigham Young University, gave a simple physics lesson on the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings a few days ago. Here is the torrent of the 697.1 MB video (very good quality, 2h15):
http://www.911blogger.com/files/BYU_Pro...xplosives_WTC_September_11.avi.torrent
Also on emule:
ed2k://|file|Steven.Jones.2.2006.avi|730957182|ADEA559F8ACAE1C45CBEBBDF6B9400BE|/
The powerpoint presentation from Dr. Steven Jones's recent February 1st seminar is now available for download via his BYU homepage:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/
It contains many very interesting slides quoting demolition experts, structural engineers,...
The zip file weighs in at 29MB and includes a powerpoint viewer for those without it.

I am watching the video now and the example of the stove is very convincing. When you burn anything in a stove, do you expect the stove to collapse? No, of course! Then why did 3 WTC buildings with 284 steel reinforced columns (WTC 1&2) collapse? The planes? No, the collapse would have been immediate, and WTC7 was not hit by a plane. Everyone must watch the thorough temperature and steel analysis by him and other engineers in this video.
Jones quotes a mechanical engineer teaching at another university who contacted him and agreed with his paper, but does not want to be named because she fears losing her job. Sibel Edmonds, the FBI translator, said the same in a video available on emule and here: there is an incredible amount of pressure on her, who is famous, but also on many others, to shut up. A famous engineer (Kevin Ryan, of Underwriter Labs, that set up models of the WTC buildings components and tested them: they did not fail as required by the official story) has been fired because he contradicted the official version too well. Another retracted his first convincing analysis that it was a controlled demolition, but why? At least noone got killed, unlike after JFK's assassination.
 
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