9/11 consipracy movie

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo
I love this stuff, and hope the truth eventually comes out... but what do you guys think will happen when it does come out? A revolution? A raid of the white house? Civil war? Just throwin out some random stuff, but I am generally interested in what could happen....

I hardly "love" this stuff, if by "this stuff" you mean our government indirectly working with terrorists to kill other Americans and cripple our greatest city. I do however love the fact that there are people who won't let this go away.

The thing is that information is constantly "coming out" in small doses, as you see from Votingisanillusion posting articles here and there, so wheels are always in motion. But I don't know what will happen if/when some concrete stuff comes about, it's actually pretty though provoking what might happen if anything. This obviously isn't just Bush though, a lot of people on the inside (building workers/aviation officials) must know the truth, so maybe it's just a matter of time until their conscious gets the best of them and someone anonymously tells us "where to look".

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo
I love this stuff, and hope the truth eventually comes out... but what do you guys think will happen when it does come out? A revolution? A raid of the white house? Civil war? Just throwin out some random stuff, but I am generally interested in what could happen....

I hardly "love" this stuff, if by "this stuff" you mean our government indirectly working with terrorists to kill other Americans and cripple our greatest city. I do however love the fact that there are people who won't let this go away.

The thing is that information is constantly "coming out" in small doses, as you see from Votingisanillusion posting articles here and there, so wheels are always in motion. But I don't know what will happen if/when some concrete stuff comes about, it's actually pretty though provoking what might happen if anything. This obviously isn't just Bush though, a lot of people on the inside (building workers/aviation officials) must know the truth, so maybe it's just a matter of time until their conscious gets the best of them and someone anonymously tells us "where to look".

probably "loves it" in the sense of "this is very interesting"

 

[noto12ious]

Gag order in effect for New York Fire Department, New York Police Department:

http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: noto12ious
Gag order in effect for New York Fire Department, New York Police Department:

http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted yet again that 9-11 was an inside job. In fact, here is his exact quote to Lisa Guliani and myself: ?I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it?s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.?

Think about the ramifications of this statement. One of New York?s own firefighters revealed publicly that 9-11 wasn?t the work of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, but instead was planned, coordinated, and executed by elements within our own government. Isaacs also added, after pointing to throngs of police officers standing around us, that, ?We all have to be very careful about how we handle it.?

Wow.. if testimony from an official who risked his life on the job, compounded with what we know now about the attacks isn't enough to convince people, then I don't know what is.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: noto12ious
Gag order in effect for New York Fire Department, New York Police Department:

http://www.wingtv.net/thornarticles/paulisaac.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

On the morning of September 11, 2005, New York City auxiliary fire lieutenant Paul Isaac, Jr. admitted yet again that 9-11 was an inside job. In fact, here is his exact quote to Lisa Guliani and myself: ?I know 9-11 was an inside job, the police know it?s an inside job, and the firemen know it too.?

Think about the ramifications of this statement. One of New York?s own firefighters revealed publicly that 9-11 wasn?t the work of Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, but instead was planned, coordinated, and executed by elements within our own government. Isaacs also added, after pointing to throngs of police officers standing around us, that, ?We all have to be very careful about how we handle it.?

Wow.. if testimony from an official who risked his life on the job, compounded with what we know now about the attacks isn't enough to convince people, then I don't know what is.

Preeminent researcher Jim Marrs (Inside Job: Unmasking the 9/11 Conspiracies) also quotes author Randy Lavello, who wrote the following about Paul Isaac, Jr.: ?New York firemen were very upset by what they considered a cover-up in the WTC destruction. Many other firemen knew there were bombs in the buildings,? he said, ?but they are afraid for their jobs to admit it because the higher-ups forbid discussion of this fact.? Isaac, who was stationed at Engine 10 near the WTC in the late 1990s, said the higher-ups included the NYFD?s antiterrorism consultant, James Woolsey, a former CIA director. ?There were definitely bombs in those buildings,? Isaac added.?



This supports everything captured by news cameras that day.
6 minute video here (for those who missed it): http://www.mypetgoat.tv/video/Bomb_Montage.WMV

20 second video clip: http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Reporter-Secondary-Explosions-CNN-News

60 second video clip (MSNBC): http://media.putfile.com/911-WTC-Police-Found-Explosives-Rick-Sanchez

 

[noto12ious]

Former Bush team member says he believes collapse at WTC was a controlled demolition:


A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling." Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."


source: http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm

 

[Fritzo]

I think we're all missing the main point here, and this is: How does this all relate to Kevin Bacon?

 

[moomoo40moo]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: moomoo40moo
I love this stuff, and hope the truth eventually comes out... but what do you guys think will happen when it does come out? A revolution? A raid of the white house? Civil war? Just throwin out some random stuff, but I am generally interested in what could happen....

I hardly "love" this stuff, if by "this stuff" you mean our government indirectly working with terrorists to kill other Americans and cripple our greatest city. I do however love the fact that there are people who won't let this go away.

The thing is that information is constantly "coming out" in small doses, as you see from Votingisanillusion posting articles here and there, so wheels are always in motion. But I don't know what will happen if/when some concrete stuff comes about, it's actually pretty though provoking what might happen if anything. This obviously isn't just Bush though, a lot of people on the inside (building workers/aviation officials) must know the truth, so maybe it's just a matter of time until their conscious gets the best of them and someone anonymously tells us "where to look".

probably "loves it" in the sense of "this is very interesting"

Yeah, sorry about the confusion. I love the fact that people are questioning the official report and not taking it for face value. It kills me inside that the american people are supposed to believe a report that is so filled with errors and ommisions and lack of evidence... Hopefully, one day the truth will come out and the people responsible will be held accountable..

 

[noto12ious]

For those interested, there's a petition here calling for the basic release of 9/11 information (by The Scholars for 9/11 Truth group).

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172?ltl=1141792297#body

Sign it if you want to help.

 

[noto12ious]

Miami Herald and Utah's Deseret News have picked up the story about controlled demolition at WTC.


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/13760721.htm

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html

 

[latino666]

I figured it was a cash job.

 

[Conky]

DainBramaged did it.

 

[Delita]

Hahahaha

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
DainBramaged did it.

"We believe that senior government officials have covered up crucial facts about what really happened on 9/11," the group says in a statement released Friday announcing its formation. "We believe these events may have been orchestrated by the administration in order to manipulate the American people into supporting policies at home and abroad."
Headed by Jones and Jim Fetzer, University of Minnesota Duluth distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, the group is made up of 50 academicians and others.
They include Robert M. Bowman, former director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program, and Morgan Reynolds, former chief economist for the Department of Labor in President George W. Bush's first term. Most of the members are less well-known.


Jones argues that the WTC buildings did not collapse due to impact or fires caused by the jets hitting the towers but collapsed as a result of pre-positioned "cutter charges." Proof, he says, includes:

? Molten metal was found in the subbasements of WTC sites weeks after 9/11; the melting point of structural steel is 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit and the temperature of jet fuel does not exceed 1,800 degrees. Molten metal was also found in the building known as WTC7, although no plane had struck it. Jones's paper also includes a photo of a slag of the metal being extracted from ground zero. The slag, Jones argues, could not be aluminum from the planes because in photographs the metal was salmon-to-yellow-hot temperature (approximately 1,550 to 1,900 degrees F) "well above the melting temperatures of lead and aluminum," which would be a liquid at that temperature.

? Building WTC7 collapsed in 6.6 seconds, which means, Jones says, that the steel and concrete support had to be simply knocked out of the way. "Explosive demolitions are like that," he said. "It doesn't fit the model of the fire-induced pancake collapse."

? No steel-frame, high-rise buildings have ever before or since been brought down due to fires. Temperatures due to fire don't get hot enough for buildings to collapse, he says.

? Jones points to a recent article in the journal New Civil Engineering that says WTC disaster investigators at NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology) "are refusing to show computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls from leading structural and fire engineers."



source: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635179751,00.html

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
DainBramaged did it.

A group of experts and academicians 'devoted to applying the principles of scientific reasoning to the available evidence, `letting the chips fall where they may,' '' last week accused the government of covering up evidence that the three destroyed New York City buildings were brought down that day by controlled demolition rather than structural failure. The group, called Scholars for 9/11 Truth, has a website, www.st911.org. The reflexive first reaction is incredulity -- how, one asks, could anyone even contemplate, never mind actually do such a barbaric thing? But before you shut your mind, check the resumés -- these aren't Generation X geeks subsisting on potato chips and PlayStation. Then look at the case they present.


The reflexive first reaction is incredulity -- how, one asks, could anyone even contemplate, never mind actually do such a barbaric thing? But before you shut your mind, check the resumés -- these aren't Generation X geeks subsisting on potato chips and PlayStation. Then look at the case they present.

''I am a professional philosopher who has spent 35 years teaching logic, critical thinking and scientific reasoning,'' group co-founder and University of Minnesota professor James H. Fetzer told me. ``When I come to 9/11, it's not hard for me to determine what is going on. This is a scientific question. And it is so elementary that I don't think you can find a single physicist who could disagree with the idea that this was a controlled demolition.''

The group asks, for example,

? How did a fire fed by jet fuel, which at most burns at 1,700 degrees Fahrenheit, cause the collapse of the Twin Towers, built of steel that melts at 2,800 degrees? (Most experts agree that the impact of airliners, made mostly of lightweight aluminum, should not have been enough alone to cause structural failure.) How could a single planeload of burning jet fuel -- most of which flared off in the initial fireball -- cause the South World Trade Center tower to collapse in just 56 minutes?

? Why did building WTC-7 fall, though no aircraft struck it? Fire alone had never before caused a steel skyscraper to collapse.

? Why did all three buildings collapse largely into their own footprints -- in the style of a controlled demolition?

? Why did no U.S. military jet intercept the wayward aircraft?

? Why has there been no investigation of BBC reports that five of the alleged 9/11 hijackers were alive and accounted for after the event?

Our current probe-ophobia is due in part to the political landscape: When one party holds all the cards, any call to investigate an alleged abuse of power or cover-up -- no matter how valid -- will look like a partisan vendetta. Those in power never want to investigate themselves.
Maybe that's politics; he who holds the hammer drives the nails. But the outrage of 9/11 transcends party affiliation.
We need all the outstanding questions answered -- wherever the chips may fall.



source: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/columnists/13760721.htm

 

[Votingisanillusion]

Comparison of Thermite Reaction Demonstration to Video Footage of Material Dropping from WTC 2 Just Prior to Collapse on Sept 11th 2001:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Thermite.htm

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
DainBramaged did it.

oh noes! we'll have to extend his 15 mins of fame.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

A very good point found here as usual: http://www.911blogger.com/

Bush's bad science

If you've been paying attention, you know that the Bush administration has been playing fast and loose with science. But I'm not sure people fully grasp the implications.

Examples of bad science include:

? Global warming. The 2000 scientists of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ("IPCC") said that man-made pollution was causing global warming... Unsatisfied, Bush orchestrated the ouster of the IPCC Chair, Robert Watson and replacing this eminent atmospheric scientists with an Indian economist, Rejandra Pachauri. See http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/020419a.asp

Then Bush put in a crony who blue-pencil vetoed parts of science reports which were not sufficiently pro-industry. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0608-05.htm

? In 2002, the US Geological Survey submitted the results of a 12- year study, concluding that oil exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge would adversely affect the habitat of the wildlife of the region (duh). Interior Secretary Gail Norton ordered a reassessment and -- coincidentally -- got the desired result in one week: arctic wildlife just love oil rigs. See http://www.smirkingchimp.com/print.php?sid=6431

? Also in 2002, the Pentagon terminated the contract of the "Jason" panel ? an advisory group composed of forty to fifty elite scientists. John Marburger, Bush's science advisor, described the group as "working scientists ? top-notch people who are experts in their fields". One member suggested that the termination Jason followed from an attempt by the Bush administration "to place political appointees to [the] scientific panel." (NY TIMES, 3/23/02).

? Critics of Bush's "National Missile Defense System" faced retaliation by the Bush administration. By way of example, the dissent of Dr. Theodore Postal of MIT cost him federal research grants, along with threats of research cutbacks to MIT. In addition, Dr. Nira Schwartz, a scientist and computer expert, was fired by the defense contractor, TRW, immediately after determining that the design of the defense missiles (i.e., "kill vehicles") was fatally flawed. In early march, the General Accounting Office confirmed her findings. See http://www.salon.com/news/col/huff/2002/03/14/trw/index_np.html.

So can we agree that the Bush administration -- directly and through its allies -- has put enormous pressure on scientists and engineers to give results which favor industry?

Okay, now how about cooked intelligence? Can we agree that the Bush administration faked the whole Iraq WMD thing, and is now faking intelligence about Iranian weapons capabilities?

Okay, then ... why is it so hard to believe that the Bush administration pressured NIST into reaching certain conclusions about the collapse of the World Trade Centers? NIST, the agency charged with figuring out why the WTC buildings collapsed on 9/11, refused to model the collapses themselves (huh?), and is delaying on reaching a conclusion about why World Trade Center building 7 -- which was not hit by a plane -- collapsed on 9/11. See http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html, http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html and http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

 

[noto12ious]

If you google PNAC "New Pearl Harbor" ...

But, in order to unleash their foreign/military campaigns without taking all sorts of flak from the traditional wing of the conservative GOP -- which was more isolationist, more opposed to expanding the role of the federal government, more opposed to military adventurism abroad -- they needed a context that would permit them free rein. The events of 9/11 rode to their rescue. (In one of their major reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor.")


http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm

 

[FoBoT]

holy crap, you are trying to get to lifer on a single stupid thread
can you go back to where ever you were from Joined: 08/24/2001 until you started this retarded thread?

 

[noto12ious]

They should add this to the Loose Change movie, imo:


While the government has consistently stated that it did not know where the aircraft were before they struck, the Secretary of Transportation testified before the 9/11 Commission that Vice President Cheney monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon.

Mineta testimony: http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv


As one poster put it, "Wait just one second. Why wasn't the Pentagon evacuated if Cheney knew? Isn't this the most obvious crime to prosecute? It should be easy to prove - either Mineta's testimony is true or it's not"


Edit: Here's a recent article about Mineta's testimony.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/3/prweb357922.htm

 

[FoBoT]

you don't need to bump old threads, you have your nutjob thread already, go away

 

[noto12ious]

A Fox News affiliate recently covered Loose Change 2nd Ed.

Fox News 40 coverage::

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1dKdt3kedaE&search=fox%20news%20loose%20change (part 1 of 2)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AKbIjvo_TVI&search=fox%20news%20loose%20change (part 2 of 2)


Also interesting to note is how the Fox News coverage was actually pulled offline for a short while:
http://www.stopthelie.com/911_story_pulled.html

 

[noto12ious]

USA Today reported that the FBI believed that bombs in the buildings brought the buildings down (you'll need realplayer to view this):


video link: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.wtc.truck.bombs.fbi.jack.kelley.rm

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
you don't need to bump old threads, you have your nutjob thread already, go away

His original moonbat thread was locked so he dug around and found another one to bump. I guess he got the hint from the mod's comment in his original thread and was clever enough to find one in OT instead of P&N.