9/11 consipracy movie

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: FoBoT
you don't need to bump old threads, you have your nutjob thread already, go away

His original moonbat thread was locked so he dug around and found another one to bump. I guess he got the hint from the mod's comment in his original thread and was clever enough to find one in OT instead of P&N.

Actually, I've been contributing strictly to the subject matter of both threads.

The mods never locked the thread when it was in P&N. Get your facts straight

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: FoBoT
you don't need to bump old threads, you have your nutjob thread already, go away

His original moonbat thread was locked so he dug around and found another one to bump. I guess he got the hint from the mod's comment in his original thread and was clever enough to find one in OT instead of P&N.

Actually, I've been contributing strictly to the subject matter of both threads.

The mods never locked the thread when it was in P&N. Get your facts straight

The mod that moved it here from P&N stated (bolding added by me):

This thread has turned into another 9/11 conspiracy junket.

Moved from P&N to OT. (Kiddie Sandbox)

Mod

Some smart mod here just decided to lock it. I never said it was locked in P&N. My only question all along is why it moved here from P&N where it belongs. Then all you wingnuts and moonbats can talk past one another endlessly about it like you do about everything else over there.

 

[FoBoT]

The 12 hours of Saddam tapes made public confirm, in the words of Saddam Hussein himself and his top aides, that Iraq had WMD, was working on WMD, and was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors about their existence and to hide and disperse them.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Some smart mod here just decided to lock it. I never said it was locked in P&N. My only question all along is why it moved here from P&N where it belongs. Then all you wingnuts and moonbats can talk past one another endlessly about it like you do about everything else over there.

Then why don't you ask the mods? They've already allowed this thread to remain open here, so too bad... people will contributing to the subject matter at hand

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
The 12 hours of Saddam tapes made public confirm, in the words of Saddam Hussein himself and his top aides, that Iraq had WMD, was working on WMD, and was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors about their existence and to hide and disperse them.

Yet there has been little coverage of that in the so called main stream media. I know I am shocked! The above the fold area of the front page of today's Washington Post was occupied by the very important baseball stadium design plans for the new stadium in DC.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Linflas

Some smart mod here just decided to lock it. I never said it was locked in P&N. My only question all along is why it moved here from P&N where it belongs. Then all you wingnuts and moonbats can talk past one another endlessly about it like you do about everything else over there.

Then why don't you ask the mods? They've already allowed this thread to remain open here, so too bad... people will contributing to the subject matter at hand

As far as I know this thread originated here and was not moved here from P&N. You just ferreted it out and bumped it current again. I questioned the logic of the move of the original thread, not whether it should be locked or not. Now I will stop feeding your inner troll by bumping this thread any further. Ciao

 

[touchmyichi]

I think these theories are too ambitous. Instead of immediately saying the Government was involved with this, I think it is much more important for these videos to focus much more energy on the empirical proof of these events. For instance, when that guy went on air for 9/11 conspiracy he immediately went to how he thought the government did it- that's too overwhelming. Start with just the facts of how bombs could of been planted in the building- clear of an established actor.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Linflas

As far as I know this thread originated here and was not moved here from P&N. You just ferreted it out and bumped it current again. I questioned the logic of the move of the original thread, not whether it should be locked or not.

Ferreted it out? Bumped it current? I've been contributing to this thread for weeks, and posted news articles in this thread just a few days ago. Today it was time for another update for those who have been following this particular thread. Do try harder.

My only question all along is why it moved here from P&N where it belongs. Then all you wingnuts and moonbats can talk past one another endlessly about it like you do about everything else over there.

Again, ask the mods. They allowed discussions to take place in both threads, regardless of which forum. If you don't like it, tough.

Now I will stop feeding your inner troll by bumping this thread any further. Ciao

The only one trolling (and whining about why the other thread wasn't in P&N) seems to be you. Yeah, "Ciao".

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: FoBoT
The 12 hours of Saddam tapes made public confirm, in the words of Saddam Hussein himself and his top aides, that Iraq had WMD, was working on WMD, and was conspiring to deceive U.N. inspectors about their existence and to hide and disperse them.

Yet there has been little coverage of that in the so called main stream media. I know I am shocked! The above the fold area of the front page of today's Washington Post was occupied by the very important baseball stadium design plans for the new stadium in DC.

How is this relevant to the topic?
How is Saddam connected to our government's conspiracy of 9/11, with regards to the Pentagaon, controlled demolition at WTC, the shooting down of Flight 93, or Bin Laden?

Saddam != Bin Laden.

 

[noto12ious]

There's a reason WTC7 was completely omitted from official 9/11 Commission Report. FEMA has even acknowledged that their version of WTC7's collapse (due to fires) had a "low probability" of occurring. They have been unable to explain the molten steel found underneath WTC7.

Here is video of WTC7's "collapse". Notice the building dips in the middle, and falls straight down, exactly like a controlled demolition. Also, if you watch the collapse in full screen mode, you'll notice bright, demolition type flashes around the center-right parts of the building as it was coming down (2 distinct bright flashes where the windows are located around floors 20-30).


video of WTC7: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/video%20archive/wtc-7_collapse.mpa

demolition squibs of WTC7: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/Flashes/squibs_along_southwest_corner.htm

 

[noto12ious]

The video 9/11 Eyewitness (located in the original post of this thread) was recently shown at an International Press Conference in Tokyo, Japan (http://www.fccj.or.jp/modules/eCal/display-event.php?id=2014) . It appears to have been well received by international journalists. News from the website of 911Eyewitness.com (more sources to be posted in the future):



Is the American Press still Free?

This was the title of a controversial presentation at a prestigious press club in Tokyo, Japan, Tuesday, March 14. The New York Times Tokyo Bureau Chief, Jim Brooks, said that he couldn't attend an official press function about 9/11 or he would be fired. Coincidentally, the Reuters Bureau chief, Daniel Sloan, was also a strong opponent to the event being held, but he and Brooks were voted down by international members and the event was able to go ahead.

911Eyewitness was screened during dinner for 50 international journalists at the Tokyo, Foreign Correspondents Club of Japan and received tremendous applause.

Was this meeting the reason that the 911 Eyewitness site was hacked? Did this screening for influential journalists trigger a retaliatory attack on the news website?

Are the evildoers getting worried about the scientific analysis of controlled demolition presented in 911Eyewitness?

Could this line of inquiry be the weak link that they have no debunking defense against?
Long-standing FCCJ member Benjamin Fulford, former Tokyo Bureau Chief for Forbes Magazine, chaired the discussion about 9/11 evidence. He talked about his own personal epiphany after researching the evidence available on the net. He challenged the international press to do their own investigations to determine whether the bloggers have scooped the mainstream press on the true story behind the terrorism of Sept. 11, 2001.

Those in attendance were virtually unanimous in agreement that controlled demolition brought down the towers after watching 911Eyewitness.

The lone vocal critic who labeled 911Eyewitness analysis featuring Newton's Laws of Science as "propaganda" was quickly silenced by additional testimony from ex-MI5 agent David Shayler, stating 9/11 was an inside job, streaming from the internet on Google's video site.

The evening was a resounding success for 9/11 truth.

Japan is currently buzzing with numerous magazine articles on 9/11 and may prove to be a key ally in the fight for truth. Stay tuned for more...
Note: This morning we got the site operational again after it was brought down by hackers on the 14th. Coincidence that it was not available to the Conference?



source: http://www.911eyewitness.com/truth/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=27
Tokyo, Japan event: http://www.fccj.or.jp/modules/eCal/display-event.php?id=2014
(More sources to be posted in the future)

 

[noto12ious]

This video is a great compilation of other videos...and focuses mainly on controlled demolition + explosives at WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6545313046180631815

 

[enyce2k9]

that was interesting, watched the full video, i feel updated.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: SparkyJJO
This conspiracy theory thing is nuts, absolutely nuts - why would our government be planning to attack itself and the country? Its nuts. And don't say it is Bush's idea or anything like that - I do not like Clinton or Kerry but I wouldn't say that even they would do that kind of thing.

BTW this should be in P&N

This would hardly be the first time that a group in power did something like this. There's a long long history of powerful rulers willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands upon thousands of their own citizens to satisfy their own agendas. Stalin had millions of his own people killed. That was fairly recently that that happened. Many people are still alive today who were alive during that time period. To believe that we have adbvanced far beyond that in such a short time is wishful thinking.

I've only seen part of the video so far, and what was on the Loose Change website (limited bandwidth here on campus, waiting for the DVD to arrive), but there are some things I don't like. 1) Skyscrapers are designed to withstand airplane impacts. 2) The steel was hurried away before a complete analysis could be done. 3) The buildings collapsed in near free-fall, like there was no resistance at all. 4) Been mentioned before: The black boxes. Virtually indestructable. Presumed destroyed? Those that were found are secreted away. They should have contained easily damning evidence of terrorists coordinating their efforts, and bam, there you go, everyone knows what happened. Why conceal their contents?
I seem to recall past crashes, when it's on the nightly news, the black box recordings are sometimes played. No such luck here.

 

[noto12ious]

Another fire fighter: "Bomb in the building, start clearing out"
Background voices: "secondary device! ..."

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4574366633014832928&q=9%2F11+bomb

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
I've only seen part of the video so far, and what was on the Loose Change website (limited bandwidth here on campus, waiting for the DVD to arrive), but there are some things I don't like. 1) Skyscrapers are designed to withstand airplane impacts. 2) The steel was hurried away before a complete analysis could be done. 3) The buildings collapsed in near free-fall, like there was no resistance at all. 4) Been mentioned before: The black boxes. Virtually indestructable. Presumed destroyed? Those that were found are secreted away. They should have contained easily damning evidence of terrorists coordinating their efforts, and bam, there you go, everyone knows what happened. Why conceal their contents?
I seem to recall past crashes, when it's on the nightly news, the black box recordings are sometimes played. No such luck here.

1) You would think that two of the country's most important financial buildings would be reinforced to withstand a plane crashing into it. In fact, I believe both towers would still be standing if not for the 'assissted collapse'. They weren't constructed back in the early 1900's when there wasn't much of an airplane industry, it was the 70's!

2) Not only was the steel hurried away, but they threw tarp over something from the Pentagon wreckage and carried it off too before the fires were even extinguished. Not to mention FBI agents being on the scene within MINUTES of the Pentagon attacks at 3 locations that had cameras capturing what happened. Then they release 5 frames of one video that pretty much just shows a flash of light and the explosion. FIVE FRAMES! :roll:

3) I don't know much about physics but the free-fall thing really intrigued me even when I saw it happen on TV. Shouldn't the levels collapse on themselves from the top since that's where the crash was? If anything, the weight would be too much and you would have them go down like dominos, but you would SEE something like that and it wouldn't take 8.4 seconds, not a chance.

4) The black box assessment was the one that REALLY got to me and made me think there was something fishy about 9/11. I don't profess to be some kind of expert on metals and thermodynamics.. but it occurs to me that those black boxes would still in intact AT LEAST on the planes that didn't crash into the WTC. However, I can understand not playing them to the public because of the shock factor it may have on some people, so if they recovered the voice data and simply didn't play until a later time I would understand that. But saying all but 1 of them were damaged beyond repair is ridiculous. I think these boxes would have debunked any conspiracy if they would have kept them intact, but obviously there's something to hide on all those tapes.

That's just the physical evidence too, there were phone calls, put options, and the multi-billion dollar terrorist insurance claim that was made weeks before 9/11 that come into play too, but sadly no one wants to hear this. The government has the advantage of not many people thinking they would do this to its citizens in this day of age, a pretty nice guise from the public. Remember when Osama said he didn't have anything to do with the attacks, then a week later they show someone who doesn't even look like him on a tape (found in an abandoned house?) proclaiming it a victory for Islam.. horseshit. For all I know they could be using Osama as a scapegoat the whole time and hunting him down for something he had nothing to do with, I'll be VERY interested in a few things involving him now.... do they even want to find him? If they do, will they capture him alive for questioning? And if so, will they fly him here to stand trial on his part of 9/11 and open up that can of worms again? I'll tell you what, if they do and he goes along with saying he planned the attacks, even though you could argue the government will tell him what to say for some kind of immunity deal, I would be a little more convinced. But until then, they're not convincing me.

 

[Jeff7]

2) Not only was the steel hurried away, but they threw tarp over something from the Pentagon wreckage and carried it off too before the fires were even extinguished. Not to mention FBI agents being on the scene within MINUTES of the Pentagon attacks at 3 locations that had cameras capturing what happened. Then they release 5 frames of one video that pretty much just shows a flash of light and the explosion. FIVE FRAMES!

And let's not forget the security cameras at nearby commercial establishments (hotels and gas stations I believe) that recorded the entire thing - they were seized and secreted away too in a damn hurry.

3) - Interesting link
One glaring technical error I don't like though:
"The building falls faster than the speed of gravity as was the case with the twin towers."
Yes, using 24th century graviton generators in the base of the structure, to increase its weight. :roll:
It would fall directly in accordance with gravity's normal freefall acceleration, if anything, which I think is the point that they were attempting to convey. If you're debunking something major like this, try to get your 11th grade physics terminology correct, people! Sheesh.

And just one other passing thought: If a terrorist wanted to do the maximum amount of damage, wouldn't it make more sense to dive planes into the base of a skyscraper? It's more likely to fall at an angle then, and take out more structures. Didn't happen that way though - very clean, vertical falls in both buildings.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

2) Not only was the steel hurried away, but they threw tarp over something from the Pentagon wreckage and carried it off too before the fires were even extinguished. Not to mention FBI agents being on the scene within MINUTES of the Pentagon attacks at 3 locations that had cameras capturing what happened. Then they release 5 frames of one video that pretty much just shows a flash of light and the explosion. FIVE FRAMES!

And let's not forget the security cameras at nearby commercial establishments (hotels and gas stations I believe) that recorded the entire thing - they were seized and secreted away too in a damn hurry.

3) - Interesting link
One glaring technical error I don't like though:
"The building falls faster than the speed of gravity as was the case with the twin towers."
Yes, using 24th century graviton generators in the base of the structure, to increase its weight. :roll:
It would fall directly in accordance with gravity's normal freefall acceleration, if anything, which I think is the point that they were attempting to convey. If you're debunking something major like this, try to get your 11th grade physics terminology correct, people! Sheesh.

And just one other passing thought: If a terrorist wanted to do the maximum amount of damage, wouldn't it make more sense to dive planes into the base of a skyscraper? It's more likely to fall at an angle then, and take out more structures. Didn't happen that way though - very clean, vertical falls in both buildings.

its kinda hard to navigate a massive plane inthe middle of a city, no?

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

its kinda hard to navigate a massive plane inthe middle of a city, no?

Angles are your friend. Sideways dive. Dive increases speed too = even more energy delivered into the target structure.

 

[Votingisanillusion]

The controlled demolition of a North Texas building Saturday provided a stark reminder that WTC Building 7 and the twin towers could not have been brought down by any other means than planned implosion.

Watch the video of the Landmark Tower implosion in downtown Fort Worth and compare it to the South Tower of the WTC: http://infowars.com/articles/sept11/lan..._implosion_looks_like_wtc_collapse.htm

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

its kinda hard to navigate a massive plane inthe middle of a city, no?

Angles are your friend. Sideways dive. Dive increases speed too = even more energy delivered into the target structure.

Not only that, the WTT were easy targets because of their position on the island. I don't know what to say about the video. I believe it is a little strange that Mavin Bush used to be head of security just before it happened. A lot of the connections to these people really do add up if the information is valid. I personally agree that the motives of Afganistan and Iraq were purely for Oil and Natural Gas and totally disagree with the people who continue to abuse the rest of the world just because they have power.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Not only that, the WTT were easy targets because of their position on the island. I don't know what to say about the video. I believe it is a little strange that Mavin Bush used to be head of security just before it happened. A lot of the connections to these people really do add up if the information is valid. I personally agree that the motives of Afganistan and Iraq were purely for Oil and Natural Gas and totally disagree with the people who continue to abuse the rest of the world just because they have power.

And now the administration says too that we're in the Mideast to promote democracy and eliminate dictatorships. There are other dictatorships and terrible atrocities elsewhere. Say maybe like, the Sudan. If there was something that we needed there, like maybe oil, then we'd already have thousands upon thousands of troops there doing something about it. But they don't, so we just casually look the other way.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
Not only that, the WTT were easy targets because of their position on the island. I don't know what to say about the video. I believe it is a little strange that Mavin Bush used to be head of security just before it happened. A lot of the connections to these people really do add up if the information is valid. I personally agree that the motives of Afganistan and Iraq were purely for Oil and Natural Gas and totally disagree with the people who continue to abuse the rest of the world just because they have power.

And now the administration says too that we're in the Mideast to promote democracy and eliminate dictatorships. There are other dictatorships and terrible atrocities elsewhere. Say maybe like, the Sudan. If there was something that we needed there, like maybe oil, then we'd already have thousands upon thousands of troops there doing something about it. But they don't, so we just casually look the other way.

Exactly, but because that's the area whose people supposedly attacked us, they are apparently (and conveniently) at the top of the list. I prefer not to get real political about this but without 9/11 Bush wouldn't be able to lift a finger against Iraq without negitive uproar. Not only that, but he was able to pass bills and start a whole new branch because of what happened for his political friends who helped him get to where he is.

 

[maziwanka]

That's just the physical evidence too, there were phone calls, put options, and the multi-billion dollar terrorist insurance claim that was made weeks before 9/11 that come into play too, but sadly no one wants to hear this. The government has the advantage of not many people thinking they would do this to its citizens in this day of age, a pretty nice guise from the public. Remember when Osama said he didn't have anything to do with the attacks, then a week later they show someone who doesn't even look like him on a tape (found in an abandoned house?) proclaiming it a victory for Islam.. horseshit. For all I know they could be using Osama as a scapegoat the whole time and hunting him down for something he had nothing to do with, I'll be VERY interested in a few things involving him now.... do they even want to find him? If they do, will they capture him alive for questioning? And if so, will they fly him here to stand trial on his part of 9/11 and open up that can of worms again? I'll tell you what, if they do and he goes along with saying he planned the attacks, even though you could argue the government will tell him what to say for some kind of immunity deal, I would be a little more convinced. But until then, they're not convincing me.

this, in my opinion, is one of the worst consequences to result from 9/11. can you imagine if it were later determined that muslim groups had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11? my god...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: maziwanka
this, in my opinion, is one of the worst consequences to result from 9/11. can you imagine if it were later determined that muslim groups had nothing to do with the attacks on 9/11? my god...

Maybe y'all will like this:
I drew some parallels between the current administration and good old Star Wars. Palpatine got into the Senate by illegitimizing and slandering someone else - Chancellor Velorum as being weak - and polarizing people against him. (Bush vs Gore.)

He stayed in power because of fear of war, which was started when a government authorized force invaded a sovereign planet. (US invades Afghanistan.) Then the war continues on to find "The Separatists" which brings war to other areas. (US invades Iraq.) And of course, we have the killing of an unarmed prisoner by Anakin - Cheney shoots a guy in the face. (Sorry, couldn't resist. Hey, right-wing made a big deal about a blowjob, why can't we make a big deal about a shot in the face?)

Twin Towers - the controversy surrounding them, the Pentagon, and Flight 93. Twin Towers - there is evidence that they were intentionally destroyed by explosives. And the metal was all shipped away and melted down in a big hurry.
TWA Flight 800 went down, they rebuilt the plane from the pieces. Columbia went down, they rebuilt it from the pieces. Twin Towers are destroyed, and they are immediately melted down without any investigation allowed.
Pentagon - there were no impacts from the wings or engines - just one big hole where the fuselage would have hit. Just like a missile would produce. And they seized and secreted away all surveillance videos from nearby businesses.
Flight 93 - it was a neat ditch with scrap metal in it. No large pieces of a plane were there, and no bodies were found. Parallel - Jedi Temple wiped out by Anakin and agents of the government.
Last parallel that remains to be seen - Bush staying in office indefinitely to "maintain peace and security." He's got his sights clearly on Iran. He said in a speech recently that "Some of the most powerful IED's that we are seeing in Iraq today includes components that came from Iran." Later, a reporter asked Rumsfeld and General Pace if they had proof of this. "I do not sir." Hmm, Bush making unsubstantiated claims.....nah, nothing bad has ever come of that. And with that, Palpatine: He declared the Jedi to be enemies of the state, without proof. Or they could be the Muslim scapegoats of this analogy.

Oh yes, the fat blubbering Gungan guy, going on about how the invading droid army didn't matter: Iraq's Information Minister.