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noto12ious

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i see you ran from my JFK thread, and i see you will not do ANYTHING but post links, your "proof" is so not proof at all, its just being interpreted as your fvcked up mind that it is proof...

Actually, I didn't even check OT to see if you had posted. Now that you did...I posted a link destroying the official government version of events

Notice you won't dare address the JPG image I posted and the specified video link w/ time frame that supports it (in this 9/11 thread)? :laugh:
 

MikeMike

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i see you ran from my JFK thread, and i see you will not do ANYTHING but post links, your "proof" is so not proof at all, its just being interpreted as your fvcked up mind that it is proof...

Actually, I didn't even check OT to see if you had posted. Now that you did...I posted a link destroying the official government version of events

Notice you won't dare address the JPG image I posted and the specified video link w/ time frame that supports it (in this 9/11 thread)? :laugh:

now run back to the JFK thread and tell me how badly i pwned you.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
i see you ran from my JFK thread, and i see you will not do ANYTHING but post links, your "proof" is so not proof at all, its just being interpreted as your fvcked up mind that it is proof...

Actually, I didn't even check OT to see if you had posted. Now that you did...I posted a link destroying the official government version of events

Notice you won't dare address the JPG image I posted and the specified video link w/ time frame that supports it (in this 9/11 thread)? :laugh:

now run back to the JFK thread and tell me how badly i pwned you.

/shrug
you can continue making things up...if you are unable to dispute all of the evidence presented in the video i posted in the jfk thread...it means the official story is bogus

Again, Notice you won't dare address the JPG image I posted and the specified video link w/ time frame that supports it (in this 9/11 thread)? :laugh:
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: iwearnosox
noto12ious stop the madness, you're absurd, as is this thread.

Why stop when the facts are on my side? That is, the truth's side

Notice how mikey can't address the links i just posted above? He can't refute the evidence :thumbsup:

and i quote
i have watched this video
http://www.yourfilelink.com/get.php?fid=74617

the upper left goes first, then lower left, then lower center.

i might have missed one, but at no point does a lower one go first.

and there is a HUGE error in the google vid you posted.

it ISOLATES your view, aka: you can NOT see any area other than the supposed "explosions"

Do explain how that link refutes this? Remember, YOU tried to dismiss the squibs as being the result of pancaking:


http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem12/demolition.wave.170.jpg

The lower squib is cleary shown appearing first...as shown in Loose Change 2nd Edition.
The upper squib is clearly shown appearing a few seconds later...as shown again in Loose Change 2nd Edition.

Video here: (Time frame 52:13 - 52:25)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...9923762628848&q=loose+change+2&pl=true

So much for the pancaking theory

How can there ben an "error" in that video...when it is factual evidence? Look at you trying to dodge the presented jpg image. LOL at you.

I'm heading to bed. Let's see if mikey EVER addresses that specific JPG image and Loose Change video (with specified time frames)... which absolutely destroys his "pancaking" theory causing the squibs.

Nope. mikey still hasn't addressed the specified JPG and Video which destroys his pancaking theory causing those demolition squibs. Big surprise :laugh:

Recent media coverage of WTC:

Utah Deseret News: Physicist says heat substance felled WTC
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635198488,00.html

Recent news coverage of the film posted by the OP:

University at Buffalo Newspaper Covers Recent Loose Change 2 Screening:
http://spectrum.buffalo.edu/article.php?id=27129

Bush Defector to Demolish 9/11 Big Lie in Madison:
http://milwaukee.indymedia.org/en/2006/03/205195.shtml
 

noto12ious

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rofl@noto12ious you must have way too much time on your hands dood!!

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Here's an article from PrisonPlanet back in 2003, I just read it and thought it rasied some interesting points for it being only a year and several months removed from the attacks. Read and chastise as you see fit.

Bombs in the Building: WTC 'Conspiracy Theory' is a Conspiracy Fact

By now the misinformation and ignored findings surrounding the September 11, 2001 attacks have evaporated the official version into the land of fiction. Didn?t it seem strange that we learned everything of the government version by the next day? Much has been learned about the attacks, yet the official version has never changed; it seems as though our government thinks the point moot since it used this excuse to pass unconstitutional laws and wage wars resulting in oil profits. The time has come to admit the sorry truth as a nation, so that we can move on - as a nation.

The planes did not bring those towers down; bombs did. So why use planes? It seems they were a diversionary tactic- a grand spectacle. Who would want to divert our attention from the real cause of the collapse of those towers? It must be those who benefited most from these attacks. Let?s recount some facts of that dreadful day.

Any time an aircraft deviates from it?s course, the air traffic controller requests a military intercept according to military response code 7610-4J. This was the first time interceptors were not sent up in the history of this policy. The intercept pilots are trained to make a visual check of the cockpit? could this be the reason these interceptors were intercepted? Planes were sent to the New York area, after unprecedented delay, from Falmouth, Massachusetts rather than nearby Ft. Dix or Laguardia. Of course, they didn?t arrive in time - there was no visual scan of the cockpits.

Captain Kent Hill, retired from the Air Force, explained that the U.S. had flown unmanned aircraft, similar in size to a Boeing 737, on preprogrammed flight paths from Edwards Air Force Base, California to Australia on several occasions. He believes the airliners used in the attacks had their on board computers knocked out and were subsequently choreographed by an Airborne Warning and Control System. Along side Captain Hill, an Air Force officer with more than 100 sorties in Vietnam stated, ?Those birds either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, or they were being maneuvered by remote control.? We know that the technology exists to fly hijacked commercial airliners by remote control - it?s called ?Globalhawk.? We also know that the military has had an unmanned drone aircraft known as the ?Predator,? since 1994. A saboteur would merely have to reprogram the controls to switch from manual to remote; those airliners practically fly themselves already with the autopilot. This would require electronic security codes? acquisition of electronic codes would also explain the lapse of interceptor response due to sabotage. Furthermore, it?s a fact that Air Force One codes were known and punched in by a rogue source on 9/11, proving the presence of an inside, subversive element.

As usual, it?s not a good conspiracy, if it doesn?t involve a Bush! Introducing Marvin Bush - brother of George Jr. Marvin is a substantial shareholder and was on the Board of Directors until 2000 of a security company aptly named Securacom. This is not an ordinary security force with canvas badges and walkie-talkies; it?s an electronic security company, which was ?coincidentally? involved with Dulles Airport until 1998. Handling electronic security at Dulles seems like an excellent way to gain access to Air Traffic Control communication codes with NORAD, which is in charge of intercept missions. According to CEO Barry McDaniel, the company ?handled some of the security at the World Trade Center up to the day the buildings fell down.? How convenient, huh? Bombs were in those towers? Bush?s presidency was saved by these attacks - just something to think about.

Five of the twenty ?suicide hijackers? are alive and well according to the BBC and they want their names cleared. So who was flying those planes? We may never know exactly what happened with those jets; what we do know is that the official version crumbles under scrutiny. These planes were merely a diversion, as proven by the presence of bombs? that?s right, PROVEN!

Before beginning this article, I met Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman and former Auxiliary Police Officer, Paul Isaac Jr. at the World Trade Center Memorial. Paul, along with many other firemen, is very upset about the obvious cover-up and he is on a crusade for answers and justice. He was stationed at Engine 10, across the street from the World Trade Center in 1998 and 99; Engine 10 was entirely wiped out in the destruction of the towers. He explained to me that, ?many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they?re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ?higher-ups? forbid discussion of this fact.? Paul further elaborated that former CIA director Robert Woolsey, as the Fire Department?s Anti-terrorism Consultant, is sending a gag order down the ranks. ?There were definitely bombs in those buildings,? he told me. He explained to me that, if the building had ?pancaked? as it?s been called, the falling floors would have met great resistance from the steel support columns, which would have sent debris flying outward into the surrounding blocks. I asked him about the trusses, and quoted the history channel?s ?don?t trust a truss? explanation for the collapses. He responded in disbelief, and told me, ?You could never build a truss building that high. A slight wind would knock it over! Those buildings were supported by reinforced steel. Building don?t just implode like that; this was a demolition.?

Just after the disaster, Firefighter Louie Cacchioli said, ?We think there were bombs set in the building.? Notice he said ?we?. At 9:04, just after flight 175 collided with the South Tower, a huge explosion shot 550 feet into the air from the U.S. Customs House known as WTC 6. A huge crater scars the ground where this building once stood. Something blew up WTC 6 - it wasn?t a plane; it must have been a bomb of some sort.

The seismic record from Columbia University?s observatory in Palisades, NY (21 miles away) provides indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down those towers. At the precise moment the South Tower began collapsing, a 2.1 earthquake registered on the seismograph. At the precise moment the North Tower began collapsing, a 2.3 earthquake registered; however, as the buildings started to crumble these waves disappeared. The two ?spikes?on the seismograph, which both occurred at the exact instants the collapses began, are twenty times the amplitude, or more than 100 times the force of the other waves. If the buildings had simply collapsed, the largest jolts would have occurred when the massive debris struck the earth, not at the beginnings of the collapses. Seismologist Arthur Lerner-Lam of Columbia University stated, ?Only a small fraction of the energy from the collapsing towers was converted into ground motion. The ground shaking that resulted from the collapse of the towers was extremely small.? In other words, the collapsing did not cause 2.1 and 2.3 magnitude earthquakes. Furthermore, a ?sharp spike of short duration? is how underground nuclear explosions register on seismographs. Underground explosions, where the steel columns meet Manhattans granite would account for both the demolition-style implosions and these ?spikes? on the seismograph. Another seismologist at the Palisades observatory, Won Young Kim said the 1993 truck bomb did not even register on their seismographs because the explosion was ?not coupled? to the ground. Imagine the magnitude of explosions it would take to register the two earthquakes, when the truck bomb didn?t even show up.

The American Free Press reported that in the basements of the collapsed towers, where 47 central support columns (per building) connected with the bedrock, hot spots of ?literally molten steel? were discovered more than a month after the attack. There is only one explanation for this: An explosion of unprecedented magnitude destroyed the bases of the columns, then the massive structures buried the impact points, trapping the intense heat below for all that time.

The tower which was struck second suffered less damage from the plane because it was a less direct hit and most of the jet fuel was seen ignited outside the structure? yet this tower collapsed first. Just before this collapse, the firefighters were up on the burning levels and were heard saying, ?Battalion seven? Ladder fifteen, we?ve got two isolated pockets of fire. We should be able to knock it down with two lines.? How could two isolated pockets of fire destroy the bases of the support columns causing the buildings to implode? Paul Isaac told me, ?Based on video footage of the collapse of the South Tower, the structural collapse is not consistent with the angle the building was struck.?

Why was no investigation permitted of the debris? Dr W. Gene Corley headed the FEMA sponsored engineering assessment of the World Trade Center collapse, which performed no tests on the steel for traces of explosives. When asked about this process known as ?twinning,? he responded, ?I am not a metallurgist.? Dr. Corley also ?investigated? the debris at Waco and Oklahoma City? and we all know how thoroughly those ?investigations? were performed.

No government agency performed forensic examinations of the rubble; no effort was made to validate their official story. The rubble was quickly loaded onto ships and delivered to China for smelting. These are the actions of criminals disposing of evidence! By these actions, FEMA proves itself to be a subversive element in our government!

Former Deputy Director of the FBI, John P. O?Neil stated, ?The main obstacles to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it.? Can you think of anyone (Bush) linked to both wealthy Saudi Arabians and U.S. corporate oil? John O?Neil resigned from the FBI after 31 years of service after Barbara Bodine, currently part of the Iraqi transition team, barred him from following up his investigation of the attack on the U.S.S Cole. He took a job heading security at the World Trade Center? his first day of work - September 11, 2001. John O?Neil received the job from Jerome Howard, Former Director of the New York Office of Emergency Management, who happened to have the day off on 9/11. We may only speculate on the case of Mr. O?Neil, but he does seem to be a person which U.S. oil corporate interests would want out of the way? especially during these wars for oil and power in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The top FBI officials in Minneapolis called off investigations of Zacarais Moussaoui, causing bitter resentment among field agents. The man who made the decision not to investigate was promoted! Israeli intelligence agents lived next to the alleged hijackers in Hollywood, Florida. The ?hijackers? were trained at U.S. government flight schools. Insider training on United Airlines leads to the conclusion that there was foreknowledge of these attacks; it also establishes that those with this foreknowledge are, at least, relatively wealthy. Another suspicious finding is that the World Trade Center was sold to Vornado Realty Trust in February, seven months prior to the attacks for 3.25 billion dollars? this doesn?t prove anything, it?s merely suspicious.

Who gained the most from the attacks of September 11th? Who had the motive? An Israeli expert on terrorism at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Ehud Sprinzak said, ?From the perspective of Jews, it is the most important public relations act ever committed in our favor.? David Stern, an expert on Israeli intelligence operations stated, ?This attack required a high level of military precision and the resources of an advanced intelligence agency. In addition, the attackers would have needed to be extremely familiar with both Air Force One flight operations, civil airline flight paths, and aerial assault tactics on sensitive U.S. cities like Washington.? He elaborated that the attacks ?serve no Arab group or nation?s interest, but their timing came in the midst of international condemnation of Israel?? He goes on to claim ?A U.S. military intelligence report revealed details of an international intelligence memo linking Mossad to the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks. The memo was in circulation three weeks before the attacks.?

Furthering the suspicion of Mossad involvement, five Israelis were seen atop a van smiling and celebrating, while taking videos of the disaster from across the Hudson River. These five were arrested by the FBI and detained for two months before being deported back to Israel. Two of these men were positively identified as Israeli intelligence agents. Eighty-one nations are represented among the World Trade Center?s dead - Israel is not one of these nations even though approximately 1200 of its citizens worked there. As if that wasn?t enough, an instant messaging firm in Israel, named Odigo, received warnings about the towers two hours before the attacks. Everyone who points out the wrongdoings of Israel is immediately labeled ?anti-Semitic?? well, the truth knows no race or religion - it?s just the truth. These aren?t Jews carrying out these plans; it?s merely sick animals who hide behind the Jews!

WorldTradeCenter.com describes David Rockefeller as the ?Visionary behind the World Trade Center.? He pushed the construction of these towers through major opposition with the aid of his brother, then governor, Nelson Rockefeller. David has been quoted as saying, ?We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.? Was this the ?right major crisis? to advance the aims of a global government?

There is overwhelming evidence to support the findings that these alleged Arab terrorists were merely scapegoats used to advance the World Government agend. During the attacks, ?President? George Jr. was reading a book with school children about goats! (Scapegoats?) Arab terrorists did not carry out these attacks which were detrimental to the Muslim world.

All evidence points to elements inside, high atop the governments of Israel and the United States. Those wishing to implement their world government through their control over finance, media and militaries are guilty of these most heinous crimes. This atrocity is proving to advance the domestic police state agendas and consolidate the Middle East?s oil reserves. The people who most benefited from these attacks are the wealthiest, most privileged and powerful men on earth who feel they will finally be able to hold dominion over the nations of the world through their New World Order. For some of these globalists, these attacks were merely a means to an end - a huge step toward ruling a world socialist system. But for others, likely the planners of such a vile crime, this was a mass sacrifice to themselves. This mass ritual sacrifice of the vulnerable and the heroes who tried to save them was perpetrated by power crazed freaks who are simply - satanic.
 

MadRat

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The contents of WTC 6 ending up on the street due to an explosion is the exact center of the building has always made me wonder what could of happened to it. Buildings just don't spontaneously explode. Nobody, including the FEMA reports, has ever dealt with the WTC 6 phenomenon. It was quietly left out of all of the other 9-11 investigations and reports, although pictures of it were included in the FEMA report. FEMA did nothing to explain its destruction, merely displayed its skeletal remains. The top of WTC 6 had a hole that led all the way down to the lowest floors, perhaps even the basement.
 

SampSon

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I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.

Well, when the evidence points towards our government's complicity...
i.e. see my sig
 

KarmaPolice

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meh I dont know what i believe. The one thing I dont understand is why...if its not true..does the government not release info clearly showing its not?
 

SampSon

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.

Well, when the evidence points towards our government's complicity...
i.e. see my sig
*yawn*
Heard it all before.

Who's to say that terrorists weren't already working in the WTC for years and planted bombs and planned things out much further than you think they did?

Though I'm sure that the government of this country really truly hates itself so much as to destroy the WTC, shoot a missle at the pentagon, throw the country into a recession, start a war in Iraq and piss off the entire world. Yes, America and Israel is going to take over the entire world! Control all global finance! Control all of the oil! China, India, Pakistan, Russia and the rest of the world will just stand by and watch! It seems to be working so well!

The best part about conspiracies is that they have no sound logical ground. I've read a million of these blog style articles and none of them cite any sources of their information.
It's all "he said this" and "this official said this at this time". Really? Please tell me exactly where (besides their imaginations) did this information come from?

This big conspiracy plan seems to be working so well! Everything is peachy.
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.

Well, when the evidence points towards our government's complicity...
i.e. see my sig
*yawn*
Heard it all before.

Who's to say that terrorists weren't already working in the WTC for years and planted bombs and planned things out much further than you think they did?

Though I'm sure that the government of this country really truly hates itself so much as to destroy the WTC, shoot a missle at the pentagon, throw the country into a recession, start a war in Iraq and piss off the entire world. Yes, America and Israel is going to take over the entire world! Control all global finance! Control all of the oil! China, India, Pakistan, Russia and the rest of the world will just stand by and watch! It seems to be working so well!

The best part about conspiracies is that they have no sound logical ground. I've read a million of these blog style articles and none of them cite any sources of their information.
It's all "he said this" and "this official said this at this time". Really? Please tell me exactly where (besides their imaginations) did this information come from?

This big conspiracy plan seems to be working so well! Everything is peachy.

It sounds like you're drawing conclusions before doing any of the research.
Most of your questions have already been answered in this thread (including the high probability a large jetliner did indeed strike the Pentagon).

As for motives:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

The government already had plans to invade Afghanistan + Iraq before 9/11. They just needed their "New Pearl Harbor", as indicated by the Project for a New American Century, to get the public's support.
 

SampSon

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Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.

Well, when the evidence points towards our government's complicity...
i.e. see my sig
*yawn*
Heard it all before.

Who's to say that terrorists weren't already working in the WTC for years and planted bombs and planned things out much further than you think they did?

Though I'm sure that the government of this country really truly hates itself so much as to destroy the WTC, shoot a missle at the pentagon, throw the country into a recession, start a war in Iraq and piss off the entire world. Yes, America and Israel is going to take over the entire world! Control all global finance! Control all of the oil! China, India, Pakistan, Russia and the rest of the world will just stand by and watch! It seems to be working so well!

The best part about conspiracies is that they have no sound logical ground. I've read a million of these blog style articles and none of them cite any sources of their information.
It's all "he said this" and "this official said this at this time". Really? Please tell me exactly where (besides their imaginations) did this information come from?

This big conspiracy plan seems to be working so well! Everything is peachy.

It sounds like you're drawing conclusions before doing any of the research.
Most of your questions have already been answered in this thread (including the high probability a large jetliner did indeed strike the Pentagon).

As for motives:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

The government already had plans to invade Afgahnistan + Iraq before 9/11. They just needed their "New Pearl Harbor", as indicated by the Project for a New American Century, to get the public's support.
I've already read the smoking guns site.

These plans to invade have been drawn up for years and years and years. The Afghanistan invasion plan has been drawn up since the late 1970s.
The Iraqi plan has been drawn up since the 1980s, and partially executed in the early 1990s.

You're not telling me anything new. A quick look at history would explain a lot of "conspiracies".
 

noto12ious

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Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: noto12ious
Originally posted by: SampSon
I find it funny how almost all the first links when you search google for 9/11 are conspiracy theory sites.

Conspiracy theory people are always a hoot. Whenever something goes wrong, it is always the governments fault.

Well, when the evidence points towards our government's complicity...
i.e. see my sig
*yawn*
Heard it all before.

Who's to say that terrorists weren't already working in the WTC for years and planted bombs and planned things out much further than you think they did?

Though I'm sure that the government of this country really truly hates itself so much as to destroy the WTC, shoot a missle at the pentagon, throw the country into a recession, start a war in Iraq and piss off the entire world. Yes, America and Israel is going to take over the entire world! Control all global finance! Control all of the oil! China, India, Pakistan, Russia and the rest of the world will just stand by and watch! It seems to be working so well!

The best part about conspiracies is that they have no sound logical ground. I've read a million of these blog style articles and none of them cite any sources of their information.
It's all "he said this" and "this official said this at this time". Really? Please tell me exactly where (besides their imaginations) did this information come from?

This big conspiracy plan seems to be working so well! Everything is peachy.

It sounds like you're drawing conclusions before doing any of the research.
Most of your questions have already been answered in this thread (including the high probability a large jetliner did indeed strike the Pentagon).

As for motives:
http://killtown.911review.org/911smokingguns.html

The government already had plans to invade Afgahnistan + Iraq before 9/11. They just needed their "New Pearl Harbor", as indicated by the Project for a New American Century, to get the public's support.
I've already read the smoking guns site.

These plans to invade have been drawn up for years and years and years. The Afghanistan invasion plan has been drawn up since the late 1970s.
The Iraqi plan has been drawn up since the 1980s, and partially executed in the early 1990s.

You're not telling me anything new. A quick look at history would explain a lot of "conspiracies".

Well, why weren't we able to invade either country before 9/11? Fact is the administration needed 9/11, their so called "New Pearl Harbor", as indicated in documentation by PNAC.

Are you able to explain why the 9/11 Commission intentionally omitted Mineta's devastating testimony?
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1824136&enterthread=y

Or the CIA money trail?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid...q=THE+TRUTH+%26+LIES+OF+9%2F11&pl=true

Or the huge pre collapse explosions intentionally ignored by the government and NIST?
http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/911eyewitness_wtc1.wmv
 

WildHorse

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Cat callers reveal emotional immaturity when slinging put-down labels (?tinfoil hat conspiracy theory?) at doubters of the official story. The unworthy motive of put-down labeling is to kill independent thought.

In the case of Flight 77, evidence supports the doubters.

Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon but the US Government says it did.

(#1) Evidence
LOOK at the untouched lawn, 16 foot diameter hole and undisturbed offices around that hole with lights and computers still on, undisturbed paperwork on desks and unbroken widows.

HEAR testimony of credible firefighters and rescue men who went inside that 16 foot hole minutes after the event, who all declare, ?No airliner wreckage.?

(#2) Story
Our government insists a huge Boeing 757 passenger jet hit the Pentagon.
Official news reported that a Boeing 757 plowed a furrow into the lawn, rolled forward and punched a hole into the Pentagon 200 feet wide by 50 feet tall.

(#1) evidence is clear , while (#2) story is clearly incorrect.

Don't you agree that it's naive to throw out all evidence and place blind faith in a fantastic, improbable story, just because an authority figure tells you to? That's called ?denial.?

All discredit themselves who try to destroy sincere inquiry with a childish cat call like, ?kooky conspiracy theory ha ha.? Honest rational sincere balanced-thinking inquiry is a good thing, apparently foreign to the cat callers. Mindless obedience to story-spinning authorities is a bad thing. I work to remain objective in judiciously evaluating inputs about Flight 77.

Speculations: Maybe Flight 77 flew over the ocean and was shot down, like Flight 93 (?let's roll?) was shot down over Pennsylvania.

Or maybe it was shot down over the Great Lakes or Canada. Or, it disappeared from radar for awhile near Ohio, so maybe it landed there. But then where are its 64 people, including 5 little kids under age 12?

Conclusion: Our government's story that American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon is not true.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Xylitol
Anything to do with the Skulls N Bones conspiracy in Yale?

Conspiracy would imply that it's hidden. It's fairly well known.
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Anything to do with the Skulls N Bones conspiracy in Yale?

Conspiracy would imply that it's hidden. It's fairly well known.

Secret Societies amoung the Ivy League schools at this point arn't so secret. Neither Bush nor Kerry denied being in the S&B society, but none of them are suppose to talk about it obviously. I don't understand the question, but the theory behind these societies is they were founded by early Free Masons and are used by current Illuminati to recruit and put into place leaders, then wield power from behind the scenes. That's where your 'hidden conspiracy' is. At the top there are just a select few of the wealthiest people around the world. Think globally, the USA is small potatoes to those who have been in power since the early European kingdoms.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Xylitol
Anything to do with the Skulls N Bones conspiracy in Yale?

Conspiracy would imply that it's hidden. It's fairly well known.

Secret Societies amoung the Ivy League schools at this point arn't so secret. Neither Bush nor Kerry denied being in the S&B society, but none of them are suppose to talk about it obviously. I don't understand the question, but the theory behind these societies is they were founded by early Free Masons and are used by current Illuminati to recruit and put into place leaders, then wield power from behind the scenes. That's where your 'hidden conspiracy' is. At the top there are just a select few of the wealthiest people around the world. Think globally, the USA is small potatoes to those who have been in power since the early European kingdoms.

Are you seriously implying that the Freemasons and "Illuminati" run the world?
 

BrokenVisage

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Secret Societies amoung the Ivy League schools at this point arn't so secret. Neither Bush nor Kerry denied being in the S&B society, but none of them are suppose to talk about it obviously. I don't understand the question, but the theory behind these societies is they were founded by early Free Masons and are used by current Illuminati to recruit and put into place leaders, then wield power from behind the scenes. That's where your 'hidden conspiracy' is. At the top there are just a select few of the wealthiest people around the world. Think globally, the USA is small potatoes to those who have been in power since the early European kingdoms.

Are you seriously implying that the Freemasons and "Illuminati" run the world?

Does it sound that far-fetched? Do the research like I have, read some books and try to understand how power is achieved and held onto by these few royal families. The symbolism is all around us and within these societies, and people who join them almost effortlessly fall into positions of power in the media, defense, etc.. Despite how we're told anyone born in this country can become President, it almost always turns out to be some Ivy Leaguer with secret society ties, where's the common man in all of this? I'm not saying it's the ultimate truth, but it's a thought, and one that's consistent with the thirst that humans born into power have for even more power.
 

Feldenak

Lifer
Jan 31, 2003
14,090
2
81
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Secret Societies amoung the Ivy League schools at this point arn't so secret. Neither Bush nor Kerry denied being in the S&B society, but none of them are suppose to talk about it obviously. I don't understand the question, but the theory behind these societies is they were founded by early Free Masons and are used by current Illuminati to recruit and put into place leaders, then wield power from behind the scenes. That's where your 'hidden conspiracy' is. At the top there are just a select few of the wealthiest people around the world. Think globally, the USA is small potatoes to those who have been in power since the early European kingdoms.

Are you seriously implying that the Freemasons and "Illuminati" run the world?

Does it sound that far-fetched? Do the research like I have, read some books and try to understand how power is achieved and held onto by these few royal families. The symbolism is all around us and within these societies, and people who join them almost effortlessly fall into positions of power in the media, defense, etc.. Despite how we're told anyone born in this country can become President, it almost always turns out to be some Ivy Leaguer with secret society ties, where's the common man in all of this? I'm not saying it's the ultimate truth, but it's a thought, and one that's consistent with the thirst that humans born into power have for even more power.

Well, I want my slice of the world then. My father is a 32° Master Mason of the Scottish Rite, I was in DeMolay, and my sister was Job's Daughters.
 

BrokenVisage

Lifer
Jan 29, 2005
24,771
13
81
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: Feldenak
Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Secret Societies amoung the Ivy League schools at this point arn't so secret. Neither Bush nor Kerry denied being in the S&B society, but none of them are suppose to talk about it obviously. I don't understand the question, but the theory behind these societies is they were founded by early Free Masons and are used by current Illuminati to recruit and put into place leaders, then wield power from behind the scenes. That's where your 'hidden conspiracy' is. At the top there are just a select few of the wealthiest people around the world. Think globally, the USA is small potatoes to those who have been in power since the early European kingdoms.

Are you seriously implying that the Freemasons and "Illuminati" run the world?

Does it sound that far-fetched? Do the research like I have, read some books and try to understand how power is achieved and held onto by these few royal families. The symbolism is all around us and within these societies, and people who join them almost effortlessly fall into positions of power in the media, defense, etc.. Despite how we're told anyone born in this country can become President, it almost always turns out to be some Ivy Leaguer with secret society ties, where's the common man in all of this? I'm not saying it's the ultimate truth, but it's a thought, and one that's consistent with the thirst that humans born into power have for even more power.

Well, I want my slice of the world then. My father is a 32° Master Mason of the Scottish Rite, I was in DeMolay, and my sister was Job's Daughters.

Hah, well maybe your time just hasn't come yet.

I don't claim to be an expert in all this, I just interpret it as it's shown to me. Do some research on stuff like the Builderburg meetings that take place at undisclosed locations where world officials like Blair and Bush as well as weathly industrialists like Rockefeller attend. Now obviously this is just speculation about what goes on in those meetings, but in truth who knows what goes on in them? All we know is the wealthiest of the wealthy and the most powerful of leaders are present, something tells me that with all the security and secrecy of it all that they arn't there to discuss the weather over milk and cookies.
 
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