Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
You make a poor assumption thinking that all I know is the superficial aspects that the "media" plops out there without looking past the surface. If anything that describes most truthers. They know nothing more than what they can find on some paranoid whackjob's website, which is why most can't explain much of anything on their own words and have to copy & paste replies. There's not a sinlge truther in here willing to lay out there own comprehensive explanation of how 9/11 went down, according to their beliefs. All they do is point to little disparate shards that they deem to be facts and tell people to "connect the dots." That's pure, unadulterated bulshit. Most of there little factoids completely wilt under any scrutiny anyway and they resort to distorted generalizations, and ignominiously exclaim 'How dare anyone question me when I'm just looking for "truth."'
You know why truthers don't lay out any detailed, comprehensive outline of how 9/11 went down? It's because they already tried. Loose Change tried and it got shot down. So they "edited" their film, and it got shot down again. So they re-edited it. Seems that if they were really looking for truth they would do some due diligence and fact checking instead of being so loose and fast with those same facts. If they have the truth then why the need to distort statements, cherry pick quotes, employ bad science, and avoid all the facts that we do already know?
Oh, as far as Kennedy:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27705829/
Maybe that conspiracy can finally be put to rest? I doubt it though because truthers are like religious zealots. They firmly believe and they'll be damned if they actually let facts get in the way of being a true believer.
*sigh* the power of google. They never explained how the SECOND PASSENGER was affected. Are you being sarcastic though with that link?
Loose Change may be all wrong or may not. Where are they cited as the EXPERT?
Like I said, no one has all the answers....doesn't mean they are all wrong though.
I think it's funny how in things like this the people that mostly have nothing to say try and use as many of the biggest words they can.
alkemyst, it is a waste of time trying to even argue with these people. They only believe the open ended evidence that is provided to them by their trustworthy government. Our sources are always wrong and theirs are always right. It is because of people like TastesLikeChicken (who are in fact the majority) that our government gets away with murder.
Your sources? Don't you dare start throwing around a word like sources.
Those who support the "theory" that planes brought down 9/11 is a who's-who of physicists, demolition companies, engineers, and researchers.
The "sources" put forward by the conspiracy theorists are from youtube videos and people with zero credibility or qualifications to make the statements that they do.
Just to entertain you, let's look at your scenario. If you have a coherent theory, then you should easily be able to answer the following questions:
1. If the United States government was involved, who exactly perpetrated 9/11?
I mean, it seems to me like AT LEAST the following people would need to be involved: The terrorists who hijacked the planes, whoever planted the thousands of pounds of explosives in the buildings, the NYFD, the NYPD, those doing the recovery effort, the NTSC, FEMA, various judges and courts who imposed gag orders, parts of the media, Popular Mechanics, PBS, Governor Pataki, every engineer in the world who has supported the plane theory, The American Society of Civil Engineers, NORAD (depending on your conspiracy variant), the FAA (again dependent), The Silverstein group (variant dependent), the insurance companies for Silverstein (variant dependent).
2. What DID bring down the WTC? Why did WTC 7 fall so "suspiciously" if this was a conspiracy? Wouldn't you want to make it seem as "realistic" as possible, so you wouldn't rig explosives to a building you weren't going to hit with a plane. Right?
3. How were thousands of pounds of explosives and miles of detonation cord sneaked into the two biggest buildings in NYC, rigged to the outer structure of the building (which isn't easily accessible) without a SINGLE person coming forward and saying "yeah, I saw some guys on the 80th floor working on the building?"
4. Why use thermite? It isn't really an explosive and, while it's great for cutting steel, it needs to be constant contact to heat the steel up to the required temperatures which would require much more engineering than simply rigging real explosives.
5. If the buildings were wired to blow, then why even slam planes into them? It seems that the planes add a whole new element. Why not just say that a bunch of terrorists set off a bomb that took the buildings down? That would remove nearly ALL suspicion because that suspicion is based on the presence of explosives.
6. What happened to the plane in PA? Why was it "unsuccessful?"
7. (Conspiracy theory variant-dependent) If the government shot a missile at the Pentagon or used "remote controlled planes" full of explosives, where did the passengers go? When were the planes "switched?" Where were the "fake" planes built? Where did they take off from?"
Thanks!