9% 'Cloud tax' jacks up Netflix bills in Chicago

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'Cloud tax' jacks up Netflix bills in Chicago

The new charge is separate from sales tax, and could add 9 percent to customers' bills.



The city of Chicago is enforcing a new and unprecedented tax on cloud services, possibly raising the cost of Netflix, Spotify, and other forms of streaming entertainment for residents.
As The Verge reports, the so-called “cloud tax” went into effect on July 1, and levies a 9 percent tax on “electronically delivered amusements” such as streaming video, streaming music, and online gaming subscriptions. It does not apply to books, or to content that users download permanently. Netflix says it’s already planning to add the extra charge to Chicago customers’ monthly bills.

Keep in mind that this tax is separate from sales tax, which Netflix and other services already charge in many states as required by law. The rationale behind this new charge is that streaming services are eliminating the need for brick-and-mortar video rental shops and music stores, which would have been paying Chicago property taxes. In the midst of a budget crisis, the city is hoping that streaming services can make up some of the difference.

The cloud tax doesn’t only apply to streaming. Chicago is also extending its Lease Transaction tax to extract 9 percent from databases and cloud computing platforms that do business in the city. Companies in Chicago that are paying for server time from platforms like Amazon Web Services will therefore face an extra $9 charge for every $100 they spend. Cloud storage appears to be exempt from the new rules, at least.

Why this matters: While the new charge is bad news for Chicago residents, it’s unlikely that this will be an isolated incident. Other cities around the world have also been trying to tax the cloud, and whether or not you agree with the justification, the reality will likely be new headaches for services and their customers as various municipalities tries to cash in.


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2942606/cloud-tax-jacks-up-netflix-bills-in-chicago.html
 
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Welcome to Chicago - Land of the liberals "How can I fuck this situation up anymore?" It's as if they are too stupid to realize that companies are getting tired of their shit and can't realize that they can indeed pack up their shit and move to a different state. HELL, even moving down the black outside the city limits is enough to save a boatload from how horrible the taxes are in Chicago.

I'm taking bets - Chicago is the next Detroit in 15 years.
 

poofyhairguy

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SOOOOO the moral of the story is always sign up for Netflix under the name of your retired parents in Florida?
 
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lol what? "Cloud tax"?

People are no longer renting @ blockbuster. Normally, a rental at B&M places like Blockbuster would charge the standard State and Local sales taxes.

With Netflix, everything is retreived from "The Cloud" and is often seen as a service, and not a sale. Thus it is normally in the sense not taxed. Well a lot of previous sales are being lost to cloud services, so obviously jurisdictions like Chicago want to dip their pin in that.
 

Murloc

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can cities in the US really apply and enforce this kind of taxes only on their residents?

The concept is stupid anyway.

I'd just increase the VAT state-wide and redistribuite part of it to local public entities to compensate for taxes lost to delocalization of the services (regarding both property and corporation taxation) that are now delivered via the internet.
Also this is probably just an excuse when in reality they're unable to manage their finances so they're grasping at straws.

If an extra $1 per month matters that much to you.
yeah because we all know that once a new tax is introduced, it will never ever be raised again.
 
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BlitzPuppet

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can cities in the US really apply and enforce this kind of taxes only on their residents?

The concept is stupid anyway.

I'd just increase the VAT state-wide and redistribuite part of it to local public entities to compensate for taxes lost to delocalization of the services (regarding both property and corporation taxation) that are now delivered via the internet.
Also this is probably just an excuse when in reality they're unable to manage their finances so they're grasping at straws.

Lol...VAT. Generally internet purchases are/were tax free, but that is starting to change.
 
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can cities in the US really apply and enforce this kind of taxes only on their residents?

The concept is stupid anyway.

I'd just increase the VAT state-wide and redistribuite part of it to local public entities to compensate for taxes lost to delocalization of the services (regarding both property and corporation taxation) that are now delivered via the internet.
Also this is probably just an excuse when in reality they're unable to manage their finances so they're grasping at straws.


yeah because we all know that once a new tax is introduced, it will never ever be raised again.


Increase the VAT? There is no VAT silly
 

BoberFett

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Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet

Taxman!
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

Don't ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath)
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

And you're working for no one but me
Taxman!
 

MustISO

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Well if a Government can tax rain runoff I don't see why they wouldn't do this. I find it funny that they are looking at alternatives for generating more tax income but they've probably spent zero time looking at how they're losing so much money.
 

TheGardener

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They tried this maneuver in Massachusetts, which loves to tax the hell out of people. It was passed into law, but very people understood what the hell the new tax was and to whom it applied. But Mass has a lot of high tech companies and they understood. And High Tech Council and the companies themselves conveyed to the legislature that they would end up losing revenue, because they could leave the state along with their high paying jobs. The legislature and the governor reconsidered and repealed the law. Kind of a don't bite the hand that feeds you move. Illinois like Greece has fewer options.
 

Blackjack200

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If an extra $1 per month matters that much to you.

I think the problem is that people that pay for their content already feel like they're playing nice in the sandbox. Even if we ignore pirated content, what about all the ad-supported or otherwise free streaming content out there?
 

lxskllr

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People are no longer renting @ blockbuster. Normally, a rental at B&M places like Blockbuster would charge the standard State and Local sales taxes.

With Netflix, everything is retreived from "The Cloud" and is often seen as a service, and not a sale. Thus it is normally in the sense not taxed. Well a lot of previous sales are being lost to cloud services, so obviously jurisdictions like Chicago want to dip their pin in that.

So, by using "cloud" services, the people are reducing their carbon footprint, and lessening the burden on infrastructure. They should give a 9% rebate to "cloud" users.
 

master_shake_

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So, by using "cloud" services, the people are reducing their carbon footprint, and lessening the burden on infrastructure. They should give a 9% rebate to "cloud" users.


the electricity for your computer and tv increases carbon footprint.

next time walk to blockbuster.

also wanted to add, no taxes at all in canada.

netflix does NOT have a corporate entity here.
 

lupi

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People are no longer renting @ blockbuster. Normally, a rental at B&M places like Blockbuster would charge the standard State and Local sales taxes.

With Netflix, everything is retreived from "The Cloud" and is often seen as a service, and not a sale. Thus it is normally in the sense not taxed. Well a lot of previous sales are being lost to cloud services, so obviously jurisdictions like Chicago want to dip their pin in that.

someone didn't read the story.
 

lxskllr

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the electricity for your computer and tv increases carbon footprint.

next time walk to blockbuster.
TV's a wash. You still have to watch the content on something. Even if you use an old P4 Preshott, you'd be hard pressed to use as much energy as it takes to get your car out of the driveway, even if your ride is a Tesla.

I'll grant you walking is better, but if I went looking for a blockbuster, I may never see home again. My kitties need me!
 

Ruptga

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can cities in the US really apply and enforce this kind of taxes only on their residents?

The concept is stupid anyway.

I'd just increase the VAT state-wide and redistribuite part of it to local public entities to compensate for taxes lost to delocalization of the services (regarding both property and corporation taxation) that are now delivered via the internet.
Also this is probably just an excuse when in reality they're unable to manage their finances so they're grasping at straws.


yeah because we all know that once a new tax is introduced, it will never ever be raised again.

I think sales tax is Murrican for VAT, but the rest of it is right, especially the bold.
 

Red Squirrel

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Wow cloud tax, that's retarded lol. What constitutes cloud though, if you lease a dedicated server from a data centre for something does that still count as cloud even though it's one server? What about a VPS? What about services like gmail which are free?
 

SP33Demon

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Well if a Government can tax rain runoff I don't see why they wouldn't do this. I find it funny that they are looking at alternatives for generating more tax income but they've probably spent zero time looking at how they're losing so much money.

Even that was just repealed.
 
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