9 series chipset and the mentioning of Broadwell LGA support.

[ShintaiDK]

http://vr-zone.com/articles/intels-9-series-will-support-broadwell/53203.html

 

[Idontcare]

No way dude, broadwell is cancelled, just like IB-E and HW-E. I read it somewhere on the internet, so it has to be true.

 

[ShintaiDK]

No way dude, broadwell is cancelled, just like IB-E and HW-E. I read it somewhere on the internet, so it has to be true.

Haha

 

[Aikouka]

I shall take the role of the devil's advocate! Well... given the same socket and compatibility with Haswell, that could mean we're just getting fancy new motherboards. There's nothing that outright states there will be a chip but rather the new limitations of the 9-series PCH, which would apply to any refreshed motherboards.

Broadwell probably won't bring anything that worthwhile anyway, so I doubt that I care either way. Well, maybe it will have a slightly better GPU that would work well in a HTPC. However, Intel's graphics drivers will still be non-functioning garbage. I'm rather irritated that I can't adjust the scaling on my i3-3225 because it just doesn't work. :|

 

[NTMBK]

Interesting.

We've all seen the roadmaps where a 22nm Haswell Refresh is listed for i5 and i7 next year. But we've not seen any Xeon roadmaps referring to it, that I recall... Perhaps LGA 1150 Broadwell will hit for the single socket server market? That is a market which is very sensitive to power consumption (unlike the desktop market) and which doesn't value overclocking prowess (unlike the enthusiast desktop market), so it would make sense for them to land there.

And IDC, no need for the snide comments.

EDIT: Also, this should put the "Haswell Refresh == Broadwell" theory to bed, along with the suggestions that the "Haswell Refresh" roadmaps were fake.

 

[mikk]

So can we buy Broadwell desktop models for LGA next year?

 

[Arachnotronic]

This is just an educated guess, but I think Broadwell LGA will all be labeled Xeon E3 parts while consumers still get Haswell-DT.

 

[ShintaiDK]

This is just an educated guess, but I think Broadwell LGA will all be labeled Xeon E3 parts while consumers still get Haswell-DT.

Thats a good guess:

 

[Idontcare]

And IDC, no need for the snide comments.

Snide? Is your sarcasm meter broken? Shintai got the joke, so it couldn't have been all that off.

 

[Arkaign]

Snide? Is your sarcasm meter broken? Shintai got the joke, so it couldn't have been all that off.

LOL I'll donate some batteries for his meter

 

[NTMBK]

Snide? Is your sarcasm meter broken? Shintai got the joke, so it couldn't have been all that off.

This is why I shouldn't post in a bad mood

 

[Abwx]

Well... given the same socket and compatibility with Haswell, that could mean we're just getting fancy new motherboards.

Broadwell LGA incompatible with current LGA 1150

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13310/broadwell-lga-incompatible-avec-lga-1150-actuelles.html

 

[Homeles]

http://www.hardware.fr/news/13310/broadwell-lga-incompatible-avec-lga-1150-actuelles.html

Yes, once again Intel makes the decision to put innovation over backwards compatibility.

That information is also listed in the article referenced in the OP, FYI.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yes, once again Intel makes the decision to put innovation over backwards compatibility.

That information is also listed in the article referenced in the OP, FYI.

I agree. I never just upgrade a CPU - when I upgrade, I upgrade. New platform, new CPU, and if applicable, new memory.

 

[NTMBK]

I agree. I never just upgrade a CPU - when I upgrade, I upgrade. New platform, new CPU, and if applicable, new memory.

I'm torn on this, frankly. My current machine is a crummy old AM2 motherboard which I dropped a Phenom II X4 into, making it into a pretty decent rig which I intend to get another couple of years' life out of. From my point of view it was very useful that AMD let me get a cheap upgrade without moving to a new platform. If you could drop a Haswell into a Nehalem motherboard and get that performance on tap, would you not be tempted?

But from an AMD perspective, it makes little sense. AM3+ is a seriously outdated platform and needs to die. FM2 has a better system topology (2 chip platform, instead of 3 chip) and offers lower idle power.

 

[Phynaz]

Yes, once again Intel makes the decision to put innovation over backwards compatibility.

That information is also listed in the article referenced in the OP, FYI.

Note though that the docs mention Haswell Refresh and Broadwell sharing the same socket. If true, that would mean the Haswell Refresh product is not compatible with current boards and vice versa.

That's a nightmare waiting to happen.

 

[PPB]

Now I understand why a monopoly situation would promote innovation. You use that word as a replacement for moneygrab.


Yep, Intel on a monopoly would have a lot more of those "innovations", my friend, no doubt about it :awe:

 

[jpiniero]

Note though that the docs mention Haswell Refresh and Broadwell sharing the same socket. If true, that would mean the Haswell Refresh product is not compatible with current boards and vice versa.

That's a nightmare waiting to happen.

I'm sure the OEMs will deal with it fine. Although it doesn't really explain why Intel would go to the expense to do this Haswell Refresh AND Broadwell LGA, especially if the Haswell refresh is more than just a respin.

 

[Homeles]

Note though that the docs mention Haswell Refresh and Broadwell sharing the same socket. If true, that would mean the Haswell Refresh product is not compatible with current boards and vice versa.

That's a nightmare waiting to happen.

Possibly, but from what I'm getting from the article in the OP, it's only Broadwell that requires a new socket.

The most notable changes are in the V_PROC_IO connection, as it requires a 1.05V power source, VCCST, because of a new type of power supply required, and to THRMTRIP because of a slightly different chip topology. This presents a number of backwards compatibility issues, and means that only motherboards that support refreshed Haswell will be compatible with the 9-series Broadwell chips.

Aside from the fact that it only mentions Broadwell, LGA Haswell is not a 2 chip solution. LGA 1150 should support the Haswell refresh, since it will almost definitely not have the PCH on package.

Broadwell is the only thing mentioned here as well.

Socket changes are generally only required when you're moving more components on or off the CPU package. Broadwell's moving the PCH on package, so naturally it would require a new socket, unless Intel had designed 1150 to support both Haswell and Broadwell.

Now I understand why a monopoly situation would promote innovation. You use that word as a replacement for moneygrab.


Yep, Intel on a monopoly would have a lot more of those "innovations", my friend, no doubt about it :awe:

Don't worry; as you become more educated in computers, you'll be able to understand why moving more components on chip/on package is an "innovation."
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[NTMBK]

Aside from the fact that it only mentions Broadwell, LGA Haswell is not a 2 chip solution. LGA 1150 should support the Haswell refresh, since it will almost definitely not have the PCH on package.

How is LGA Haswell not a 2 chip solution? There's the CPU and the PCH.

 

[mikk]

Yes 2-chip means PCH on the mainboard.

 

[Homeles]

How is LGA Haswell not a 2 chip solution? There's the CPU and the PCH.

It's 1 chip on package.

 

[meloz]

So does this mean we are going to see Broadwell LGA in 2014?

Why are Intel even releasing Haswell Refresh AND Broadwell? Why could they not just release Broadwell LGA when it is ready? How much of a time gap will be there between two product launches?

As a potential consumer this is very confusing.

 

[PPB]

Don't worry; as you become more educated in computers, you'll be able to understand why moving more components on chip/on package is an "innovation."
[/LEFT]

Just like going from 1156 to 1155.



Oh, wait.

 

[Homeles]

Just like going from 1156 to 1155.

Oh, wait.

Yes, just like going from 1156 to 1155.

You see, this is the benefit of being more educated.