90hz is a requirement for larger displays (1440p) IMO

[soccerballtux]

I got the Qnix shown in my sig.

I'll call it IMAX problem. When the screen takes up such a large portion of your FOVision, each successive frame travels radially further across your eye's FOV than on a smaller monitor.

At 32", moving the mouse around at 60z is very noticably 'skippy'. Like action scenes in a 24fps film in IMAX, you need a higher framerate to avoid what feels like a 'strobing' effect on your eyes.

Might be less of a problem at 27" but I don't really see a point of 1440p at lower sizes.

So then I overclock the Qnix to 86hz and everything is much improved. 75hz is actually sufficient, but going to 86 (my Qnix's max overclockability is 88hz, 87hz consistently, and 86hz always) is still an even better visual improvement. So I'll go ahead and round the recommendation off to 90hz.

I don't think going higher to 120hz is really necessary. Nice perhaps, but not necessary if you're used to 60hz on 1080p.

 

[Midwayman]

It'll vary quite a bit by person. 85-90hz was my magic number back in CRT days, but some are fine with 72hz.

 

[tential]

I don't notice it badly on my projector however you reasoning makes sense. So ya, I'd love it if refresh rates at 4k were higher but I can't get higher refresh rates displays at my screen size. I did find this useful though op thanks for sharing

 

[postmortemIA]

soo... don't watch 1440p movies?

 

[tential]

soo... don't watch 1440p movies?

What does this have to do with the thread?

 

[Ma_Deuce]

I didn't notice a difference going from 23" 1080 to 27" 1440 both @ 60Hz

Edit: but I don't watch 1440p movies...

 

[Eymar]

I would agree that 85-90hz is maximum optimal range for most desktop users with regards to smoothness (ie. noticeable frame to frame identification). Anything above that is probably only noticeable for competitive FPS users. I'd say distance from monitor and eyesight are big factors in lowering that optimum value.

 

[soccerballtux]

I don't notice it badly on my projector however you reasoning makes sense. So ya, I'd love it if refresh rates at 4k were higher but I can't get higher refresh rates displays at my screen size. I did find this useful though op thanks for sharing

Resolution not as significant as screen size here I think

Perhaps your brain's motion processing can adjust. When you look for it in the mouse cursor moving across the screen in 1080p it's there, you're simply used to it.

 

[hawtdawg]

just going up to 72hz makes a big difference to me.

 

[birthdaymonkey]

I've noticed this effect as well. I watch a lot of game streams/replays (Dota) on my 27" X-star, which is OCed to 100Hz. Most of this content is 60Hz, so there's judder introduced when pulldown happens. I can barely notice it when I'm watching a game in a Window, but if I go full screen the judder is much more noticeable because the action takes up my entire FOV.

 

[KingFatty]

I've heard that the peripheral vision is particularly sensitive to strobing/pulsing of lower frame rates, even more so than the central vision. So as an experiment, you could focus on a low refresh LED by looking directly at it and it's not that bad, but when you look to the side of it, the strobing appears worse out of the corner/side of your eye.

But OP what you describe is that when you look directly at the mouse you notice it worse? In that case, why does FOV matter if you are looking with the more sensitive central part of the eye?

 

[soccerballtux]

I've noticed this effect as well. I watch a lot of game streams/replays (Dota) on my 27" X-star, which is OCed to 100Hz. Most of this content is 60Hz, so there's judder introduced when pulldown happens. I can barely notice it when I'm watching a game in a Window, but if I go full screen the judder is much more noticeable because the action takes up my entire FOV.

this does concern me....a little... how will movies be 24fps when I'm at 86?

edit, no, not serious cause for concern, no worse than 3:2 pulldown

 

[Eric1987]

Witcher 3 in 4k damn near maxed out gets me 38-55 FPS and I am just fine with that. Looks drool worthy to me. 290x CF

 

[amenx]

I doubt very much you have an effective 86hz. With multi-input Korean monitors, some may 'report' higher hz when you OC them, but they will frame skip. Which makes the OC useless. The Qnix displays that OC are the 27" single input (DVI-DL) models only and do not have a scalar, PCB or OSD. The GPU feeds the signal directly to the panel which allows them to OC. Here is a test where you can confirm this.

If you want to watch movies smoothly, you can use SVP with your media player (MPC-HC or Pot Player)

 

[birthdaymonkey]

I doubt very much you have an effective 86hz. With multi-input Korean monitors, some may 'report' higher hz when you OC them, but they will frame skip. Which makes the OC useless. The Qnix displays that OC are the 27" single input (DVI-DL) models only and do not have a scalar, PCB or OSD. The GPU feeds the signal directly to the panel which allows them to OC. Here is a test where you can confirm this.

If you want to watch movies smoothly, you can use SVP with your media player (MPC-HC or Pot Player)

Interesting find. I generally don't watch videos on my main (gaming/browsing) PC that has the X-star, but I definitely want to see how this SVP works. Does it generate the soap opera effect, or is it more subtle?

 

[kami]

Having used 120hz displays in the past, the smooth cursor and scrolling is nice, but not a "requirement" for me. A monitor is always a series of trade offs. Resolution, size, viewing angles, contrast/black level, color quality, response time... you basically have to pick what is important to you and go for that, because one that does it all perfectly doesn't exist.

 

[amenx]

Interesting find. I generally don't watch videos on my main (gaming/browsing) PC that has the X-star, but I definitely want to see how this SVP works. Does it generate the soap opera effect, or is it more subtle?

Yes.. similar to the soap opera effect. It does create a little artifacting on fast motion scenes (ie, faint outlines over subjects/objects), but I prefer it to the motion blur that 24fps movies may have on some displays. Most bothersome to me (on my 27" Qnix at least) is blur when camera pans a scene, so SVP deals with that nicely. Lots of settings and tweaks in SVP to minimize artifacting and overall I find it a worthwhile tool to use with MPs.

 

[Rakehellion]

So if I game at 480p I can get away with 30Hz?

 

[Ma_Deuce]

Yes, but only on a 7" screen.