91% of over 800 Abortion Clinics agree to illegally conceal statutory rape

Riprorin

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During a recent nationwide undercover sting operation, family planning clinics were caught on tape covering up what they were told was the statutory rape of a 13-year-old girl. Life Dynamics Incorporated of Denton, Texas recorded over 800 calls made to Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation facilities across America. The caller portrayed a 13-year-old girl who was pregnant by an adult and wanted an abortion in order to hide the illegal sexual relationship from her parents and the authorities.

On the tapes, many of the clinic workers told the caller that this situation was unlawful and that they were legally mandated to report it to the state. However, even after acknowledging this, over 91 percent of the 800 facilities contacted agreed to illegally conceal it. Routinely, the caller was told to:
-- lie about or conceal her age or the age of the man who impregnated her
-- participate in illegal activity in order to circumvent parental notification laws
-- use a fictitious name, phone number or address when she came to the facility
-- keep the situation hidden by altering what she would say when she came to the facility
-- be more careful about what information she gave out and to whom

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Sickening.
 

BarneyFife

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Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
 

Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
The point just totally missed you didn't it? The point, since you missed it, is that these clinics are breaking the law by not reporting statutory rape cases.

 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
 

Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.

 

Riprorin

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Thankfully, there's been arrests.

We were all stunned last month to learn a 10-year-old Bridgeport girl had been impregnated by a much older man.

Adding to the shock, two doctors, who knew about the pregnancy, failed to report it, as state law requires. They've been arrested and now face charges and tonight we have the troubling results of an undercover test to determine how Connecticut abortion clinics would deal with underage pregnancy and statutory rape.

Connecticut Abortion Clinics Look The Other Way
 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.

You were banned for a reason... I guess you think "New Year, New Screen Name".
 

Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.

You were banned for a reason... I guess you think "New Year, New Screen Name".
?? I've been lurking a while and can read. Due to that you think I have been banned? Ok.

Anyway. I like how you didn't dispute my point. I've read enough of your posts here to see the glee you have when a U.S. soldier is killed.

 

BarneyFife

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Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.

You were banned for a reason... I guess you think "New Year, New Screen Name".
?? I've been lurking a while and can read. Due to that you think I have been banned? Ok.

Anyway. I like how you didn't dispute my point. I've read enough of your posts here to see the glee you have when a U.S. soldier is killed.

I'm not going to waste my time disputing anyting with someone who was banned and registered under a new name. Don't worry, the mods will catch up to you again. They aren't dumb.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
You were banned for a reason... I guess you think "New Year, New Screen Name".
I don't recall anyone else on this board with a sense of humor before, and I'm pretty sure he has one, so I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of... disagree with you there.
 

Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.

You were banned for a reason... I guess you think "New Year, New Screen Name".
?? I've been lurking a while and can read. Due to that you think I have been banned? Ok.

Anyway. I like how you didn't dispute my point. I've read enough of your posts here to see the glee you have when a U.S. soldier is killed.

I'm not going to waste my time disputing anyting with someone who was banned and registered under a new name. Don't worry, the mods will catch up to you again. They aren't dumb.
Still not disputing my point that you enjoy the death of U.S. soldiers are you? Keep trying to deflect attention away from yourself. Personally you sicken me. Then again what should I expect from a guy who let a goat eat an entire box of dynamite?

QUICK BARNEY!! WHERE IS YOUR BULLET?

 

illustri

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.

but... the abortions were done correctly right? Can't fault them on that count.
 

Jhhnn

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I think, Mungo Jerry, that the clinics (and you, too) are falling for a setup, a convincingly contrived scenario designed not to reveal the truth but to create splashy headlines for our resident abortion troll to post...

Also notice that the details of the "survey" are exquisitely vague and non-specific, particularly about the "adulthood" of the alleged partner... In some states, that partner is sexually an adult as young as 15...

Nor did clinics actually agree to conceal anything, obviously not if the poseur was doing so anonymously...

"Yeh, Hello? Cop Shop? uhh, yeh, we just had an anonymous caller who claimed to be the victim of statutory rape, whadda ya want us to do about it?"

And the advice? Kinda like the advice Gonzales gave to Bush about torture, huh?
 

Riprorin

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Among the calls: 19 to Connecticut facilities. In Texas, unlike Connecticut, you can tape a call even if the other party doesn't know. Life dynamics created a scenario, in which a person claiming to be a 13-year-old girl said she had become pregnant by a boyfriend in his 20's, but wanted no one to find out.

Bridgeport Planned Parenthood: "If you're 14, and he's 22, that's illegal."
Girl: "well, what do you mean, what could happen?"
Bridgeport Planned Parenthood: "nothing, if you don't want to press charges, it's just, it's not legal."

Some centers around the country, and in Connecticut, tried to get the girl's name so they could report the abuse. But the group says in 91-percent of their calls, the people on the phone agreed to conceal the statutory rape.

This call came to the Planned Parenthood center in Norwich.

Girl: "It's just we don't want a whole lot of people to know about us. Would he have to sign anything?"
Norwich Planned Parenthood: "yeah, but I just...don't, don't talk about his age."

Planned Parenthood has centers across the state, but performs abortions only in West Hartford, New Haven, Stamford, and Norwich. On one call, an employee in New London coaches the caller on what "not" to say when calling Norwich for the abortion appointment.

New London Planned Parenthood: "When you go to Norwich, you're going to want to give them a call. Don't tell them that information."
Girl: "then it will be okay?"
Planned Parenthood: "If you do not say the age of your partner."
Girl: "okay."
Planned Parenthood: "Okay, otherwise there's going to be a lot of stuff going on that you're probably not going to want to have happen."

In Willimantic and Hartford, similar calls clinic workers promise to keep the statutory rape relationship secret, and they seem to prompt the girl to fudge the truth, if not outright lie.

Girl: "They won't ask anything about him?"
Willimantic Planned Parenthood: "I?m not going to...I?m going to pretend I didn't hear that, okay?"
Girl: "okay."
Planned Parenthood: "don't even bring that up, okay."
Girl: "even if he's taking me there?"
Planned Parenthood: "no, no, don't even go there, don't even bring it up."

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Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I think, Mungo Jerry, that the clinics (and you, too) are falling for a setup, a convincingly contrived scenario designed not to reveal the truth but to create splashy headlines for our resident abortion troll to post...

Also notice that the details of the "survey" are exquisitely vague and non-specific, particularly about the "adulthood" of the alleged partner... In some states, that partner is sexually an adult as young as 15...

Nor did clinics actually agree to conceal anything, obviously not if the poseur was doing so anonymously...

"Yeh, Hello? Cop Shop? uhh, yeh, we just had an anonymous caller who claimed to be the victim of statutory rape, whadda ya want us to do about it?"

And the advice? Kinda like the advice Gonzales gave to Bush about torture, huh?
Maybe, maybe not. I've worked in a bureaucracy long enough to see things be ignored when they are supposed to be reported. More often that not it isn't due to some malevolent master plan but is instead the result of laziness. Doesn't make it right. If these clinics are failing to follow procedures then they need to be slapped with a fine or lose their license.

As for the whole abortion issue. The problem to me is this. It is being used as a quick alternative to personal sexual responsibility. Instead of being responsible and using some method of both control too many people have sex without thinking of the consequences. Oh they know them, but waiting to get some birth control before doing the act would just take far too long. So instead they get their jollies, end up with a bun in the oven, then run to the abortion clinic. That is disgusting to me because of

1. The fact that some poor kid is scrambled before it ever has a chance just because their parent was too stupid to use proper birth control.

2. It is another example of the lack of personal responsibility in this country. Get knocked up? No problem, we will scramble it up for you and suck it out of there. Eat too much bad shit? Have blockage in your heart? No problem, we will clean out that artery for you. It just amazes me the lack of responsibility most people seem to have these days.

Now. There are cases, rape especially, where the person had no choice in the sexual activity that got them pregnant. In that case they should have the option of an abortion. Same goes in cases where the mothers life is at risk. Any other case is just a lack of responsibility.

Leave Bush out of this. His name did not need to be mentioned in this thread at all.

 

illustri

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Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
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Now. There are cases, rape especially, where the person had no choice in the sexual activity that got them pregnant. In that case they should have the option of an abortion. Same goes in cases where the mothers life is at risk. Any other case is just a lack of responsibility.
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and here i thought my post was flippant but now i see its right on target:

if anything shouldn't this article prove the need for legality of abortion? I mean, these are rapes, and to minors such that their lives are in danger, don't you think the clinics who performed the service at least did that correctly?

if true indeed, these clinics should lose their charter
 

imported_Papi

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i dont see the problem. they were keeping the patients information private. isnt that how all doctors should be. i think there should be more of that in the US and canada. sometimes the way family members and friends make you feel after a situation like that only makes you feel worse.

sometimes things are better left unsaid and unrevealed.

sometimes things are private and people want to keep it that way.
 

Mungo Jerry

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Originally posted by: illustri
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
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Now. There are cases, rape especially, where the person had no choice in the sexual activity that got them pregnant. In that case they should have the option of an abortion. Same goes in cases where the mothers life is at risk. Any other case is just a lack of responsibility.
...

and here i thought my post was flippant but now i see its right on target:

if anything shouldn't this article prove the need for legality of abortion? I mean, these are rapes, and to minors such that their lives are in danger, don't you think the clinics who performed the service at least did that correctly?

if true indeed, these clinics should lose their charter
Does abortion need to be legal? In some cases yes. I said as such. However I think it should be made much harder to get one unless there is a case of rape or life threatening reason for the mother. It is far too easy for someone to get an abortion right now. Far too easy. I know several girls who have done it.

Did they perform the abortion correctly? Cannot say, the article does not go into that. However I would hope they did.

In any case the abortion issue is not a federal one. It should be up for the states to decide. Just another example of state's rights being stepped on by the feds.
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Papi
i dont see the problem. they were keeping the patients information private. isnt that how all doctors should be.

you dont see a problem with not reporting stat. rape? WTF????!!!!!


also, keeping info private from parents is only if the child is above the age of 18 IIRC
 

miketheidiot

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statutory rape laws should be fixed. A 22 year old banging a 13 year old should be fixed as well.

:thumbsdown: to all this shiat
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Great. Can you talk about something else? Your posts are all about abortions/sex. We get your point, you are anti-abortion and they are evil. As Bob Seger would say, TURN THE PAGE.
Are you in favor of this type of behavior? Even if you support abortion rights, one would think this might get your gears turning a little bit.
He would only support it if it somehow involved killing U.S. soldiers.



for the new banned troll. For the OP, Zzzzz. Has your Word Doc proven any of these allegations?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Still not disputing my point that you enjoy the death of U.S. soldiers are you? Keep trying to deflect attention away from yourself. Personally you sicken me. Then again what should I expect from a guy who let a goat eat an entire box of dynamite?

QUICK BARNEY!! WHERE IS YOUR BULLET?
IMO, if you're going to post here, you might want to learn the difference between a "point" and a "troll". Your post lacks the former. It was a troll, and not a very intelligent one at that.


Guys, I'm not sure why you're concerned that he may be yet another of the never-ending stream of righties who keep popping up under different names. So what? His posts so far are pretty pathetic, If he can't do better than this, he will be easy enough to rip apart or ignore, whatever strikes your mood at the moment.


As far as the OP is concerned: Hey Rip, how about I post a thread titled "Over 91% of Catholic Churches agree to illegally conceal pedophilia"? That would be consistent with your technique of using isolated violations and extremist propaganda to attack an entire organization. Do you remember how almost everyone here became so fed up with your incessant, moronic tolling that we started ignoring you en masse? I think that's where you're headed again, and frankly, the sooner the better. IMO, of course.
 

aidanjm

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Originally posted by: nick1985
i think we can all agree, this is crazy and needs to be fixed.

I certainly don't agree that it is crazy or that it needs to be fixed. I think the counselors at the abortion clinics are taking a perfectly reasonable (if perhaps legally questionable) approach. Thank God there are still people like that working in the area of abortion.

 
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