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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.
I highly doubt 9/11 was as tragic for the rest of the world as it was for Americans.

In the sense of affecting the world, the sheer NUMBER of people really doesn't mean squat.
Also, having an "effect/influence" on the world is not the same as being "tragic." Nik never said that the deaths of those 120k+ (and rising) people isn't tragic, it most certainly is (IMHO) but face the reality folks: the deaths of those people, which is one of the most tragic things we'll ever see in our lifetimes (hopefully nothing worse comes along) will not have nearly the same effect on the entire world, ALL OF IT, like 9/11 did/does.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.
I highly doubt 9/11 was as tragic for the rest of the world as it was for Americans.

Wasn't the UN capital in the World Trade Towers? How many companies in those buildings were making enough money to keep the economy going that lost EVERYTHING? The US economy took a dive. If you think 120,000 people that struggle to merely get by every day are worth more than a noticable impact to the world's economy, you're gravely mistaken.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.
For the love of God man, can you not understand most American's view on this? Which one would impact you more, your neighbor being murdered or a car accident that happen in another city that killed 5 people. Obviously both are horrible, but the closer soemthing is, the more of an effect it will have on you. I really don't think it's that hard to understand.


Why did the French mourn 911?

Were the French part of the UN? Do they currently politically mourn the loss of these 120,000+?
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.
For the love of God man, can you not understand most American's view on this? Which one would impact you more, your neighbor being murdered or a car accident that happen in another city that killed 5 people. Obviously both are horrible, but the closer soemthing is, the more of an effect it will have on you. I really don't think it's that hard to understand.


Why did the French mourn 911?
Please, let's not talk about the French.

 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.
For the love of God man, can you not understand most American's view on this? Which one would impact you more, your neighbor being murdered or a car accident that happen in another city that killed 5 people. Obviously both are horrible, but the closer soemthing is, the more of an effect it will have on you. I really don't think it's that hard to understand.


Why did the French mourn 911?
Please, let's not talk about the French.

:laugh: While I totally agree, we can't go on ignoring their existance forever...

...we need to invade France after we wipe out Canadia!
 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.
For the love of God man, can you not understand most American's view on this? Which one would impact you more, your neighbor being murdered or a car accident that happen in another city that killed 5 people. Obviously both are horrible, but the closer soemthing is, the more of an effect it will have on you. I really don't think it's that hard to understand.


Why did the French mourn 911?

Were the French part of the UN? Do they currently politically mourn the loss of these 120,000+?

You're such an ethnocentric b1tch. Drop your redneck posturing and try being a little more compassionate and taking a 'world-view' that's all I'm asking. Maybe then the chicks would dig you more.

Originally posted by: An AP article a year after the attack
Cities around the globe paused for moments of silence, while candles were lighted and flowers laid outside U.S. embassies from Copenhagen to Moscow to Manila.

In Paris, two powerful beams of light were projected into the sky Tuesday to honor the memory of the victims - a project that was to be repeated Wednesday night.

In Pisa, Italy, a white banner placed by the Leaning Tower read: "From the tower to the towers. Sept. 11, 2002. Memory, solidarity and peace."

Beginning with choirs in New Zealand and Japan, 180 singing groups in 20 time zones began a "Rolling Requiem," singing Mozart's masterpiece. The requiem rang out at the National Theater in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and was played by the Israeli Chamber Orchestra in Tel Aviv.

Political leaders around the world expressed their sorrow and solidarity.

"France knows what it owes America," French President Jacques Chirac told a ceremony at the U.S. ambassador's residence in Paris. "The French people stand with all their hearts at the side of the American people."

Russian President Vladimir Putin phoned President Bush to express his condolences, telling him: "In Russia, they say that time cures, but we cannot forget. We must not forget."


~edit
Point being, the world acknowledged 911 as a great tragedy...
Is the world, and America as a part of it, acknowleging the Tsunami as a great tragedy?
Because It DEFINATELY IS.
 

djheater

Lifer
Mar 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: shimsham
all theses posts, and no ones brought the lawn chairs, popcorn, and beer?

I'll join you, I hate these arguments. They get each of us exactly nowhere and just make us all look like fools.

Pass the salt.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.
I highly doubt 9/11 was as tragic for the rest of the world as it was for Americans.

Wasn't the UN capital in the World Trade Towers? How many companies in those buildings were making enough money to keep the economy going that lost EVERYTHING? The US economy took a dive. If you think 120,000 people that struggle to merely get by every day are worth more than a noticable impact to the world's economy, you're gravely mistaken.

For the people of Asia, and any other country this tsunami struck, it is WAY more tragic than 9/11. To the rest of the world, it is sad but more than likely it will go on without a hickup. I don't believe the rest of the world economies will be affected at all (maybe slightly) by this. Yes, 9/11 did impacted the world economy moreso than I think this event will, but the emotional impact is greater the closer a tragedy happens to home.
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.
For the love of God man, can you not understand most American's view on this? Which one would impact you more, your neighbor being murdered or a car accident that happen in another city that killed 5 people. Obviously both are horrible, but the closer soemthing is, the more of an effect it will have on you. I really don't think it's that hard to understand.


Why did the French mourn 911?

Were the French part of the UN? Do they currently politically mourn the loss of these 120,000+?

You're such an ethnocentric b1tch. Drop your redneck posturing and try being a little more compassionate and taking a 'world-view' that's all I'm asking. Maybe then the chicks would dig you more.

Originally posted by: An AP article a year after the attack
Cities around the globe paused for moments of silence, while candles were lighted and flowers laid outside U.S. embassies from Copenhagen to Moscow to Manila.

In Paris, two powerful beams of light were projected into the sky Tuesday to honor the memory of the victims - a project that was to be repeated Wednesday night.

In Pisa, Italy, a white banner placed by the Leaning Tower read: "From the tower to the towers. Sept. 11, 2002. Memory, solidarity and peace."

Beginning with choirs in New Zealand and Japan, 180 singing groups in 20 time zones began a "Rolling Requiem," singing Mozart's masterpiece. The requiem rang out at the National Theater in Belgrade, Yugoslavia, and was played by the Israeli Chamber Orchestra in Tel Aviv.

Political leaders around the world expressed their sorrow and solidarity.

"France knows what it owes America," French President Jacques Chirac told a ceremony at the U.S. ambassador's residence in Paris. "The French people stand with all their hearts at the side of the American people."

Russian President Vladimir Putin phoned President Bush to express his condolences, telling him: "In Russia, they say that time cures, but we cannot forget. We must not forget."


~edit
Point being, the world acknowledged 911 as a great tragedy...
Is the world, and America as a part of it, acknowleging the Tsunami as a great tragedy?
Because It DEFINATELY IS.

Who said anything about ethnicity? I really fvcking hate it when people bring ethnicity into it when ethnicity has no freakin bearing on the situation at hand. It's like pulling the race card --oh wait, it IS pulling the race card!

The economy and politics make the world go round, unfortunately.

I can't say what I really want to say, so I'll just leave it at "nobody will care in a few years anyway, just like nobody really cares about 9/11 anymore".
 

NikPreviousAcct

No Lifer
Aug 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.
I highly doubt 9/11 was as tragic for the rest of the world as it was for Americans.

Wasn't the UN capital in the World Trade Towers? How many companies in those buildings were making enough money to keep the economy going that lost EVERYTHING? The US economy took a dive. If you think 120,000 people that struggle to merely get by every day are worth more than a noticable impact to the world's economy, you're gravely mistaken.

For the people of Asia, and any other country this tsunami struck, it is WAY more tragic than 9/11. To the rest of the world, it is sad but more than likely it will go on without a hickup. I don't believe the rest of the world economies will be affected at all (maybe slightly) by this. Yes, 9/11 did impacted the world economy moreso than I think this event will, but the emotional impact is greater the closer a tragedy happens to home.

Is anyone crying today over the holocaust? Yes, it's sad, but the world goes on.
 

IEC

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Originally posted by: Taggart
After 911 the entire nation was stunned and devastated, as was a good portion of the world. About 3000 were killed on 911, while the death toll for the tsunami is spiraling past 125,000 (!) I get the feeling that the tsunami is nowhere near as gut-wrenching and traumatic as 911 was for Americans. 911 was 3000 murders, though, so that definetely is a factor.

So which do you think is the 'bigger,' or should I say worse, disaster? The tsunami or 911?

Both get a big from me, though.

Tsunami, there are thousands of Americans still missing...
 

shimsham

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May 9, 2002
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Originally posted by: djheater
Originally posted by: shimsham
all theses posts, and no ones brought the lawn chairs, popcorn, and beer?

I'll join you, I hate these arguments. They get each of us exactly nowhere and just make us all look like fools.

Pass the salt.


/me passes salt

cheers:beer::thumbsup:
 

Aharami

Lifer
Aug 31, 2001
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death is death. in both cases are the loss of loved ones. numbers say tsunami is the bigger disaster
 

glugglug

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Jun 9, 2002
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Tsunami, no contest. BTW, it looks like the real death count, not even including disease, is over 500k -- 400k more from provinces in Indonesia they haven't communicated with which appear to have NO SURVIVORS from aerial surveillance.

Besides, 9/11 wasn't a disaster -- it went according to plan by our wonder gov't.

 

cmdrmoocow

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Event itself? Tsunami was worse than 9/11.


Aftermath?
The aftermath of 9/11 has been far, far worse: few things beat giving the final push to limit American freedoms, to block travellers due to paranoia, and the spurring of the invasion of another country.

And it doesn't stop there. Who knows what's next....
 

waggy

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Originally posted by: cmdrmoocow
Event itself? Tsunami was worse than 9/11.


Aftermath?
The aftermath of 9/11 has been far, far worse: few things beat giving the final push to limit American freedoms, to block travellers due to paranoia, and the spurring of the invasion of another country.

And it doesn't stop there. Who knows what's next....

yeah i have to agree with this.



The Tsunami is horrible. 120k+ dead. To compare the two is just sickening though. One was done by man one by nature. you really can't compare them.

The avarage american does feel for them. But besides giving a little money there is NOT much else we can do. I know it is a topic of conversation with my friends/family. We all want to do what we can.
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Mik3y
9/11 is nothing compared to the tsunami. just because 9/11 happened in american soil doesnt mean its worse or has a larger impact. it impacts us because WE were attacked. the tsunami impacts the entire world because over 100,000 people are perhaps dead just because it's natural.

9/11 changed the world forever in a different way than the tsunami. 9/11 was one of the most important events ever
 

raildogg

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Sc4freak
The Tsunami killed around 120,000 people. 9/11 killed around 3000 people. How can you possibly say that 9/11 was worse? Is 1 American life now worth more than 50 lives from poorer countries? Frankly, then thought of this disgusts me. Now I know that most Americans don't think this way and are honest, decent people... But really this is the message I think America is conveying to the rest of the world.

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.

to you it may be nothing, to the families of the dead it means everything. it left some areas, islands and cities absolutely devastated. even wiping out entire tribes, villages etc

9/11 doesnt have more influence than this, its a completely different event dont try to compare the two
 
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