911 or Tsunami

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: ndee
some of you guys are unbelieveable. Retarded bunch of idiots. (not all, mind you)

And Nik: King of Idiots.

What exactly makes me the "King of Idiots"?

It's got to be the crown dude...

j/k.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

:laugh:

Nah, I'm an idiot because I didn't flip out like a ninja over 9/11 and I'm not flipping out like a ninja over this tsunami thing.

*shrug*

I take that back. It's not that I don't care, it's that there's nothing I or anyone else can do to stop the Tsunami. It happened, it sucks, and it's going to happen again.

...shrug.

 

[ndee]

Those 120,000 people didn't have the same influence on the world that those lost in 9/11 did (and the sh|tstorm that's followed because of it). THAT'S why 9/11 is a bigger loss to the world as a whole than 120,000 nobody's. I really don't intend to be mean here, and I know 120,000 dead is a catastrophic loss, but when you talk about what is going to have a bigger effect on the history of the world, there's just no sugar coating it.

that makes YOU the King of Idiots! You're just SO retarded! What kinda influence did the 3000 death bodies from 9/11 have? Bleh, I'm done.

 

[z0mb13]

this is not even a contest

tsunami by far, actually by 100000 to 3000, maybe even 300000 to 3000

 

[Holycrap]

I'm qualified to speak here as I live in NYC and lost friends on 911 and am currently vacationing in Thailand and lost friends in Phuket (thailand).

911 was much scarier as there was no end in sight and it was man's inhumanity against man. The death toll here (Thailand) will probably be worse than 911 and in the region will dwarf it, but it is a natural disaster that simply could not have been prevented...even with a warning system homes and lives would have been lost.

The bottom line though is death is death and those who lost friends and/or family in either disaster will be justified in feeling that was worse than the other.

HC, writing from the beach in Ko Samui, Thailand.

 

[sandorski]

Tsunami

 

[DivideBYZero]

I can't believe some of the sh1t in this thread. Nik is taking the biscuit and for his sake, can we get a lock please?!?

 

Originally posted by: asia

Originally posted by: Mandos
The tsunami obviously. 911 was stupid and puny. yes I'm american. Blow me

Stupid and puny eh? Hmm wonder if you would think that if you were in the WTT's?

Idiot...

Jeeze, and if you were in a car alone that just got side swiped you would feel the same as the people in the WTC. A life is a life is a life. 3,000 people died on 9/11, over 100,000 died because of the tsunami (with predictions as high as 400,000 when it's all over). It's no question from where I sit.

 

[Amused]

I cannot believe the debate here. Of course the SE Asian Earthquake and resulting Tsunami is a far bigger disaster.

But 9/11 was intentional, and the Tsunami was natural. This makes them significantly different in how they effect people.

For me, 9/11 struck closer to home, so it's significance is higher to me than it would be had it happened further away. If I lived in NY and/or had a loved one who died there, 9/11 would be more significant to me than the Tsunami. It's all about where you are and how the event touches you.

The Tsunami struck far away, but it's scope and scale far exceeds that of 9/11. So while 9/11's effect on me is disproportionately high, the Tsunami is far more significant.

And there is no need for a lock. Threads like this allow people to expose their idiocy. Better the idiot you see, than the idiot you don't.

 

[MySoS]

9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I beg to differ, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I disagree, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

Ofcourse those directly effected ie loved ones dead, homes destroyed, ect will always remember. But most of the world as a whole will forget.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I disagree, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

Ofcourse those directly effected ie loved ones dead, homes destroyed, ect will always remember. But most of the world as a whole will forget.

I think you are severely underestimating the effect of over 100,000 people dead, and the long term damage this event will have on those nation's economies and health.

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I disagree, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

Ofcourse those directly effected ie loved ones dead, homes destroyed, ect will always remember. But most of the world as a whole will forget.

I think you are severely underestimating the effect of over 100,000 people dead, and the long term damage this event will have on those nation's economies and health.

I am talking about most people in the world. Most people in the world will forget. I am willing to bet that most people in the world today would not know that in 1976 an EQ killed over 600,000 people, this is not the only case. People generally forget things like this if it doesn't effect them directly.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Descartes
What's worse: Having the hubris to suggest a comparison or lacking the heart to actually consider it?

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Descartes
Oh, and I'm quite certain you'd feel differently if you lived in Sumatra.

 

[EtOH]

No comparision, not even in the same ballpark. Tsunami.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: dderidex

Originally posted by: HalosPuma

1st World disasters are always bigger in scope because our society is very advanced. 9/11 changed not only how our country runs, but also how other nations run. This tsunami changes nothing. Hotels will still be built on coastlines, tourists will still sit on the beaches, people will still live by the coastlines, etc. Even today (Thursday), the Drudge Report had pictures of tourists tanning themselves on the very beach where many were killed. Life goes on.

That's a valid point.

Compare the effect on the WORLD.

What effect has the tsunami had on France and Germany? What effect has the tsunami had on Iraq or Afghanistan? What effect has the tsunami had on China and North Korea? What effect has the tsunami had on international commerce? etc.

It's a tragedy, to be sure, but a local one, nothing else.

9/11 polarized the US view of the world - relations with France and Germany soured as a result, although not as much as China and NK. Afghanistan was occupied by US troops, and Iraq might as well declare itself the next US state there is such a heavy US presence there (and we still maintain total control over the country). We tightened security an unbelievable degree, the US - and, thus, world - economy suffered, etc.

There is no disputing that the tsunami was a much more severe local tragedy - but that's all it was, a very, very severe local tragedy. 9/11 set the US off on a Holy Crusade (tm), and literally changed much of the world.

Seriously, and RE: the web page hits, do you REALLY think 4 years from now people will still be discussing the impact of the tsunami the way they are discussing the impact of 9/11? What long-term changes on the political or economic landscape of the world will occur as a result?

About the most compelling thing that has happened as a result of the tsunami (and the one with the longest-reaching consequences I can see) is that India has proven that she has "arrived" as a major power - turning down offered foreign aid, and actually offering aid herself to neighboring countries. That IS a big deal, but it remains to be seen what all will come of this.

Although 9/11 had a massive impact on world politics in an of itself, i hold the Bush administration responsible for the political fallout.




In the end, quite futilely mind you, I still maintain that The tsunami was the greater disaster becasue it HAS led to the financial ruin for those nations. The United sates suffered great financial losses that day, but it did recover .

As fo the casualties, there are those people who jsut will not accept that death is death. The events of 9/11 are emphasized and will be for ages because they were perpetrated againist the heart of the developed world. There is no good and polite way to say that Americans over the eyars have been quite arrogant in the views of the world. This is not based on 9/11. Simply, we have always made our problems to be the worst imaginable, and nothign has changed.

Still, these South Asian events are of such a grievous and hopeless nature that they should universally be recognized as the worse disaster, irregardless of biased viewpoints.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I disagree, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

Ofcourse those directly effected ie loved ones dead, homes destroyed, ect will always remember. But most of the world as a whole will forget.

I think you are severely underestimating the effect of over 100,000 people dead, and the long term damage this event will have on those nation's economies and health.

I am talking about most people in the world. Most people in the world will forget. I am willing to bet that most people in the world today would not know that in 1976 an EQ killed over 600,000 people, this is not the only case. People generally forget things like this if it doesn't effect them directly.

The difference here is that China was, and is largely closed to the outside world. Most of SE Asia is not and the reports coming in are much more detailed. Also, the world is much "smaller" today than it was in 1976. What happens across the world has far more effect on us today then it did 30 years ago.

BTW, the highest death toll estimates of the 1976 Tangshan China earthquake is 242,000. Not 600,000.

 

[StageLeft]

Tsunami, obviously, at least from a life standpoint. Economically I dunno.

 

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MySoS
9/11, in 20 years most people will still remember 911 but few people will remember this Tsunami. I have history to back up what I am saying.

That all depends on where you live. I guarantee that no one in SE Asia will share your view.

I disagree, most of the people not directly effected even in SE will forget in around 20 years.

Ofcourse those directly effected ie loved ones dead, homes destroyed, ect will always remember. But most of the world as a whole will forget.

I think you are severely underestimating the effect of over 100,000 people dead, and the long term damage this event will have on those nation's economies and health.

I am talking about most people in the world. Most people in the world will forget. I am willing to bet that most people in the world today would not know that in 1976 an EQ killed over 600,000 people, this is not the only case. People generally forget things like this if it doesn't effect them directly.

The difference here is that China was, and is largely closed to the outside world. Most of SE Asia is not and the reports coming in are much more detailed. Also, the world is much "smaller" today than it was in 1976. What happens across the world has far more effect on us today then it did 30 years ago.

BTW, the highest death toll estimates of the 1976 Tangshan China earthquake is 242,000. Not 600,000.

Actually the USGS etimates it at over 600,000. 242,000 is from chinese goverment estimate. The U.S disagrees. Also the death toll was all over the news during that time. People were sadden but then eventually people forgot. You must also remember this isn't the type of thing that will be in history books while 911 will be. Also in 1918 the flu killed 50 million people around the world in a few months, by 1950 few people remembered it ever happen.

 

[Ernieb]

Originally posted by: dragonballgtz
I would say the tsunami.

I would think most Americans would say 9/11 though. Since it happened on American soil. The tsunami did not kill a lot of Americans so most don't care about it. They feel bad about it but, it's not on there minds like 9/11 was.

 

[TallBill]

911 was far worse. It was caused by humans. The tsunami was a natural disaster, not much you can do about that. Besides, a natural disaster brings people together. A terrorist attack leads to more death and troubles over time. Its ongoing.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MySoS
Also in 1918 the flu killed 50 million people around the world in a few months, by 1950 few people remembered it ever happen.

Are you kidding? We are reminded and educated about the 1918 pandemic every flu season. This is intensified by a press that wants every flu season to be as dramtic.

But I will agree to a point. More people remember attacks for far longer than they do natural disasters.

Look at the signifigance Pearl Harbor still has on our nation.