1080 is standard budget monitor resolution.
It may be the standards but that has nothing to do with 980Ti/Fury X/1070 level cards. I am sure many people on Steam find Core 2 Duo <-> i5 2500K also good enough. Sorry but those CPUs aren't fast enough for 1070 either.
Honestly cards like the 1080 and 1070 make PC gaming look bad. Well, particularly the 1080. Most gamers aren't affording these things to play league of legends or overwatch type games.
Why are they making PC gaming look bad? It's the opposite. 1070/1080/980Ti allow PC gaming to exist in the realm of multi-monitor gaming, 1080p 120-144Hz gaming, 1440 60-165Hz gaming, 4K and even 5K gaming. It's the next level of gaming well above consoles.
Some of the most popular games among the mainstream gamers run at 60 fps on a GTX950.
Anyone who is trying to be the best at faced paces twitch shooters like CS: GO, Overwatch, Battlefield, SW:BF, L4D, is going to want a 120-165Hz monitor because aiming and shooting is far superior. So that destroys the argument for any 1080p 60hz monitor. OTOH, anyone else with a 22-24" 1080p 60hz panel is likely using an average panel, worse a TN, in which case all games, all media don't look great. All it is is an excuse because people stubbornly don't want to spend $ on a new monitor. They'll buy high-end PC parts and cripple their $1000+ PC with a 1080p 60Hz $100-200 monitor without GSync/FreeSync. There should be a MUST build guide of things NOT to do when building a PC and this should be #1 on the top of that list.
Been using 3x IPS 23.6" 1080p 60Hz displays since January 2013, started out with 2x 670's running them and currently 2x 290's. 1440p never interested me, 120/144Hz at the time I purchased my screens was a huge price increase.
That's not 1080p 60Hz gaming. That's multi-monitor 5760x1080 gaming.
3X the pixel workload of a single 1080p 60hz monitor. The discussion about how 1070/980Ti cards aren't a great fit for 1080p doesn't apply to your situation.
I remember hearing a lot of the same things about the 970 though, how it was really a 1440p gpu. When I got mine a couple months after launch I ran it with a Xeon E3-1231v3 and in the game that came with it, Far Cry 4, I had occasional drops below 60 fps at 1080p ultra with 99% gpu usage. So I don't think it was the cpu holding it back. Similar story with Dragon Age Inquisition. The 970 absolutely cannot run Witcher 3 on ultra settings (no hairworks) at 1080p if you want to maintain a reasonably consistent 60 fps.
Ok but a 4K FreeSync/GSync monitor allows you to not care as much if the FPS dips below 60.
$400. 1440p and 4K panels will only continue to drop in price.
4K 43" IPS is already
$800 USD. I guarantee it if someone gave you this monitor and you played on it for a month and you went back to your 24" and lower 1080p 60Hz panel, you'll hate it.
The 1080p 60hz supporters claiming they want the best 1080p 60Hz gaming experience aren't realizing that you can get that + get all the benefits of the 144Hz twitch gaming because there are
FreeSync and GSync 1080p 144Hz panels.
I mean, despite the fact that at launch the GTX 970/980 were talked about as 1440p capable GPUs, now when I look around, many users are strict in saying that they're 1080p ONLY GPUs.
Ya and before 1070 brought 980Ti level of performance to below $400, how many people on this forum recommended getting a 980Ti/Titan X/Fury X for 1080p 60hz gaming?
What's with the arbitrary 1080p then? While at it while spend $ at all, just downgrade the resolution to 1280x1024 or 720P and not upgrade for 5 more years. It seems in recent times there is a MASSIVE reluctance of PC gamers to ditch 1080p 60Hz monitors but the same people are willing to spend $300-500 on Core i7s and $400-700 GPUs? :sneaky: It makes no sense, no sense at all. The monitor benefits the end user outside of games and can last 5-10 years. The only reason I haven't spent more than a grand on a 4K panel yet is because I want 32"+ 4K HDR with FreeSync/GSync and preferably with 120Hz support. What's being ignored here is only the resolution is being compared but the small size of 1080p 60Hz panels is completely ignored. The only way this can happen is if the vast majority of these PC gamers never used a 28-43" monitor/HDTV for gaming.
Name a card that can give you consistent 60FPS at 1080p apart from the 1070 including minimums. All settings maxed out, AA disabled, recent triple AAA titles. A poky 960 or 970 won't do it. You'll need a 980 at least. Even at 1080p you can have some use for a 1070.
In many games cranking every setting to the max provides literally a 0% benefit in visual quality while the game is in motion. It's only visible once zooming in in still screenshots online to 200-300%. Secondly, a 1500mhz 970 is faster than a 980 so you almost contradicted yourself there. Thirdly, if you cared so much about having 60 fps minimums at all times, why would you NOT get a 120-144Hz monitor then so that way you also get the full benefits of much faster fluid motion in FPS shooters/online shooters because 1070 can also provide that? By sticking only to 1080p 60hz monitor, you will never take the full advantage of a $400-700 videocard. It's also strange you'd defend budget 1080p 60Hz gaming since you have a 5930K. You do realize a 5930K is actually a worse gaming CPU than an i7 4790K/i7 6700K but you spent $$ on that rather than upgrading to a 1440p/4K panel? I don't get it.
Your post also assumes ALL gamers looking to buy a 1070 for 1080p 60hz gaming even have CPUs fast enough to sustain 60 fps minimums in AAA games. They don't.
You guys know that before 1600x1200 and 1080p became the standard, people were defending 1280x800, 1280x1024 the same way you guys are defending 1080p 60hz? Imagine back then if the entire PC industry shunned away from 1080p monitors, we'd still be using 1280x1024 LCDs. The whole point of PC gaming over console gaming is to push the boundaries of what's possible since tech is constantly evolving. 1080p 60hz is something that was cutting edge 15-20 years ago.
What the OP should do is start a Poll for all GTX1070 and GTX1080 owners (separate polls for each card) to see how any of them are using 1080p 60hz monitors vs. any other monitor configuration. This will tell us what the target market is for 1070/1080 upgraders/new system builders on our forum is. At least we'll have some data to support this thread.