939 or 754

[Jc Hawk]

Im building a budget pc for internet, Games, and audio library. What is the performance diffrential between the 2 sockets? Is Dual Channel the only glaring diffrence? I will probably be over clocking. Can anyone suggest a good 754 cpu?

 

[bjc112]

The cost difference isn't much.. Overclocking potential is higher on 939

754 is a dying socket... 939 also has the ability to pop an X2 in there whenever you are ready...

 

[Jc Hawk]

Yeah I just got done with the price check for the 754 vs. the 939 and the $ diff is negligable. So im going with a A64 3000+. Any Mobo suggestions ?

 

[So]

A year ago, I went with 754, and I don't regret it, but if I were building a new rig now...939, definitely.

 

[Stokes]

From my understand the difference in s939 versus s754, as far as the dual channel goes is roughly 2-5% difference in performance. Now you could buy this combo and not really need to overclock, although you still would be able to.

DFI nF3 250GB
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ Clawhammer

DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250Gb - $106

AMD Athlon 64 3700+ ClawHammer - $270

This computer will be fast, great for games. And you will have to go AGP for videocard but thats not a bad thing. You can get a 6800GT for $280 from monarchcomputer AGP. And that card will still last 2 years+ and you will be able to just do an entire new upgrade.

People will say don't go s754 because s939 will leave it in its dust. Not true, the only thing you lose is that performance I mentioned and PCI-E. Basically you lose the ability to upgrade a few components rather then the entire system.

But if you are like me you just build an entire new system and salvage what parts you can like monitor and build a new system in 2-3 years. Even if you had a s939 board in 2-3, most likely you will want to upgrade to a better board.

 

[KayKay]

3000+ Venice w/ MSI Neo4-F, pretty cheap Mobo, should be good for your use

 

[Jc Hawk]

Thanks all for the insight. Keep the Mobo Suggestions coming. Im poor and need to keep the mobo cheap. 60.00-70.00.

 

[Stokes]

If you are for sure going s939, there are a few choices that people seem to agree on:

Athlon 64 3200+ Venice (best budget processor)

Now if you want to go AGP you want the MSI Neo2 Platinum

If you go PCI-E, it's generally recommended to use the DFI Lanparty Ultra-D

AGP will give you more for your buck, but you lose some upgradability. Most likely though the next generation cards will have an AGP release as well.

 

[theMan]

go for NF4 and venice 3200

 

[DanDaMan315]

If you plan on putting new CPU's in the mobo periodically, get a 939, if this is going to be your set up for a few years, go 754. And I agree with that DFI and 3700 suggestion above.

 

[TankGuys]

Originally posted by: theman
go for NF4 and venice 3200

Agreed.

The difference in price to go with the socket 939 is well worth it, if for no other reason than the upgrades potential.

 

[imported_Starman]

Originally posted by: bjc112
754 is a dying socket

False. S754 is a dead socket. It's S939 that is a dying socket. M2 looms right around the corner

 

[imported_Starman]

Don't bother with S754 at all. It's got no redeeming qualities other than to save a few (and I do mean a few) dollars. The single-channel memory situation kills the deal, and not because of the fact that A64 CPUs need dual channel bandwidth. S754 motherboards fall apart when 3 DIMM slots are used and most even freak out a little bit when using just two. Further, installing memory over 1GB frequently causes problems. It's a disaster. Buy a cheap S939 cpu like the 3000+ Venice and you'll be able to upgrade to an X2 in the future.

 

[RichUK]

wheres the poal .. i vote s939

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: RichUK
wheres the poal .. i vote s939

What's a poal ?

 

[bjc112]

DFI for PCI-E

MSI Neo 2 for AGP.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: bjc112
DFI for PCI-E

MSI Neo 2 for AGP.

i second that .. the NEO2 rocks .. as you can see i have one .. sham for the sh1ty mem timings that accompany the crappy week 51 chip with crappy mem controlers (sorry am i going on here ), well atleast i got 2.53 out of the ah heck for week 51 that is good

 

[airfoil]

All you need in a motherbiard is provided by the MSI RS480M2-IL Micro ATX. $90.50 shipped.

Comes with onboard X200 video.

 

[dwcal]

Whatever little money you save on a s754 Newcastle will be eaten up by the electric bill. The difference in power consumption between Newcastle and Venice/Winchester is 15W at idle and 30W under load. The extra power also means more heat and fan noise. Newcastle just isn't worth it any more.

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: dwcal
Whatever little money you save on a s754 Newcastle will be eaten up by the electric bill. The difference in power consumption between Newcastle and Venice/Winchester is 15W at idle and 30W under load. The extra power also means more heat and fan noise. Newcastle just isn't worth it any more.

Newcastle makes a great budget cpu, cheapest socket 939 cpu is $145. Where as a newcastle retail Athlon 64 2800 is $121, add a $60 Chaintech Nforce 3 board and you have a great building block for a budget gaming rig.

 

[fstime]

DC doesnt do crap on the A64.

Either way, the 1 MB L2 in some 754 cpus makes up for the lack of DC but these tend to be more expensive.

My 3400+ Claw is faster than a 939 3500+ at stock speeds.

Either way,






If you dont upgrade your cpu very often, 754 is the way to go.

If you upgrade your cpu often, 939 is the way to go.

If you plan on overclocking, 939 is the way to go. (Venice/San Diego)

 

[SonicIce]

754 overclocks just as good. i got 22% (2200mhz) out of my 2800+ with zero effort and a $60 mobo

 

[knothead34]

if you want to play some of the recent games . onboard video is not an option.

 

[JackMDS]

So in the near future every one is playing with x64, and you would post: "Can I use my 754 with a 64bit OS and the new 64bit Applications and Games"?

The answer is going to be NO. :shocked: :brokenheart::thumbsdown:

:sun:

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Lyfer

Originally posted by: dwcal
Whatever little money you save on a s754 Newcastle will be eaten up by the electric bill. The difference in power consumption between Newcastle and Venice/Winchester is 15W at idle and 30W under load. The extra power also means more heat and fan noise. Newcastle just isn't worth it any more.

Newcastle makes a great budget cpu, cheapest socket 939 cpu is $145. Where as a newcastle retail Athlon 64 2800 is $121, add a $60 Chaintech Nforce 3 board and you have a great building block for a budget gaming rig.

Keep in mind you are the cheapest 939 is also a 3000+.. You can find 939 mobo's in the $75-$85 range..

For the Extra $25(CPU), its well worth it.. Being able to throw an X2 in a year from now makes it worth it.. Dual channel and better overclocking potential are just icing on the cake..