95% of house democrats voted to decriminalize the devil's lettuce while 80% of republicans voted against

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snoopy7548

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I haven't heard of a urine test that confirms immediate intoxication. The problem with MJ is how long it stays in your system. A heavy equipment operator can ingest MJ on Friday night, and two weeks later still fail a test.

Alcohol is much different in more ways than one. This is just one.

Here's a test: Ask the question, "If I were to give you an entire package of Oreos, would you eat the whole thing?" If the answer is "Yes", there's a 99.9% chance they're high.
 

Vic

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Fair point, although I still don’t get the disproportionate amount of time and energy dedicated to marijuana. Never understood the appeal. It’s not a harmless drug, its simply relatively harmless compared to other things.

The actual question here is why do we devote such a disproportionate amount of time and energy criminalizing this relatively harmless drug, especially when it's so apparent that criminalization has nothing to solve the problem?
BTW, whether or not it appeals to you is irrelevant. Just because something does not appeal to you is no reason to make it illegal.
 

ch33zw1z

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Here's a test: Ask the question, "If I were to give you an entire package of Oreos, would you eat the whole thing?" If the answer is "Yes", there's a 99.9% chance they're high.

"Sir, I will now administer the OCT, please hold this gallon of milk"
 
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nickqt

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The actual question here is why do we devote such a disproportionate amount of time and energy criminalizing this relatively harmless drug, especially when it's so apparent that criminalization has nothing to solve the problem?
BTW, whether or not it appeals to you is irrelevant. Just because something does not appeal to you is no reason to make it illegal.
This.

Marijuana is as toxic as apples, and the high you get from it isn't nearly as inebriating as alcohol on your CNS. It never should have been made illegal to begin with. That it's going to take 100 years to undo a stupid law that has harmed 100000% more people than marijuana ever has or will is the god damn tragedy.

Anyone concerned about marijuana being decriminalized is the one spending their time concerned about the wrong subject.
 
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Starbuck1975

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The actual question here is why do we devote such a disproportionate amount of time and energy criminalizing this relatively harmless drug, especially when it's so apparent that criminalization has nothing to solve the problem?
BTW, whether or not it appeals to you is irrelevant. Just because something does not appeal to you is no reason to make it illegal.
I already stated it should be decriminalized. It is not harmless. If should be regulated and producers, distributors and users heavily taxed.
 

Sunburn74

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As is the case with everything, what’s needed is data. I’ve certainly seen more than a few cases of young kids getting high in parking lots and then driving off. There’s some data indicating that there’s a link between heavy marijuana use and mental illness, anxiety disorder and depression.

I support the decriminalization of possession. I don’t think its wise to make it as accessible as alcohol, and I don’t really get the allure of it.
There are no marijuana car accidents here. No marijuana robberies. In fact I can't even recall the last news story I heard involving someone high. The worst thing is sometimes, every now and then someone smokes it on the street and you can smell it. In a year , that's like 3-4 times I openly smell marijuana. I don't use marijuana and have zero interest in it. Nonetheless in terms of daily life, having massive accessibility to it doesnt seem to really have changed mine or others day to day experience (as compared to say texas or massachusetts, states I have lived for several years prior to moving here). It's remains a relatively niche thing that people generally do once in a rare while but trust me people are doing way more alcohol up here. Lots of people are drinking pretty much everyday. My general understanding is very very few people are using marijuana pretty much everyday.
 

Zorba

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The actual question here is why do we devote such a disproportionate amount of time and energy criminalizing this relatively harmless drug, especially when it's so apparent that criminalization has nothing to solve the problem?
BTW, whether or not it appeals to you is irrelevant. Just because something does not appeal to you is no reason to make it illegal.
Because the cost of helping people with an addiction is a moral hazard, while the much much higher cost of locking them up isn't.

"Why should my taxes go to help him with his bad choices?"

This likely applies more for harder drugs that are more addictive, but I think weed got pulled that direction by them.
 

Zorba

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There are no marijuana car accidents here. No marijuana robberies. In fact I can't even recall the last news story I heard involving someone high. The worst thing is sometimes, every now and then someone smokes it on the street and you can smell it. In a year , that's like 3-4 times I openly smell marijuana. I don't use marijuana and have zero interest in it. Nonetheless in terms of daily life, having massive accessibility to it doesnt seem to really have changed mine or others day to day experience (as compared to say texas or massachusetts, states I have lived for several years prior to moving here). It's remains a relatively niche thing that people generally do once in a rare while but trust me people are doing way more alcohol up here. Lots of people are drinking pretty much everyday. My general understanding is very very few people are using marijuana pretty much everyday.
Man, every few weeks I see a story about how someone drove their car into a weed shop or other weird story from them. Fucking grandmas can barely drive before they get stoned.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Well, I'm in So-Cal, could just as easily be in Colorado or Washington.

And I'm going to fire up this Doobie I rolled today. Trump and the Republicans can't do anything about it.

OH! HERE'S ONE FOR YOU. My theory about why they made weed illegal in the first place.

We all know the explanation that criminalization was directed at racial groups who were more familiar with the Noble Herb. But I have to add an anecdotal twist to it, if only as speculation.

Sometimes, you can get high enough to believe you've become Enlightened. You might say "I see everything clearly!" So imagine, all the Blacks and Mexicans who were smoking weed and hanging out at the ghetto Juke-Joint. They all have expressions on their faces as if with an epiphany of Total Enlightenment.

And along comes ol' pasty-faced Bull Conner, or whatever police chief rules the sundown town. And he sees all these black and brown faces, looking at him like they know something that he doesn't.

So they criminalized Cannabis, because you just cannot have a bunch of Blacks and Mexicans walking around behaving as if they know more than White People.

How's that for a theory?
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Interesting factoid about why marijuana was first criminalized in the US. It was bound up with bigotry toward Mexican immigrants. Had it it not been demonized in a racialized way, it would likely have never been criminalized. It was legal until the 1930's.


Money and racism. That's all there is to it. Oh, wait, anslinger's pride and hate
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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There are no marijuana car accidents here. No marijuana robberies. In fact I can't even recall the last news story I heard involving someone high. The worst thing is sometimes, every now and then someone smokes it on the street and you can smell it. In a year , that's like 3-4 times I openly smell marijuana. I don't use marijuana and have zero interest in it. Nonetheless in terms of daily life, having massive accessibility to it doesnt seem to really have changed mine or others day to day experience (as compared to say texas or massachusetts, states I have lived for several years prior to moving here). It's remains a relatively niche thing that people generally do once in a rare while but trust me people are doing way more alcohol up here. Lots of people are drinking pretty much everyday. My general understanding is very very few people are using marijuana pretty much everyday.

It's all anecdotal. I've known plenty of people who were 24x7 smokers, you couldn't really tell. They got good grades, went to work, paid their bills, they just liked MJ. I mean, I've known others who were the stereotypical smokers, lazy bums, but that really wasn't MJ's fault, they were already that personality type.

Shit, in our busy world (pre covid), you'd probably interface with people who would fail a drug test for MJ on a daily basis and you'd never even know. It's just not the same as alcohol in comparison, yet for whatever reason (money, behavior control, and racism), our government decided to pour tons of time, energy and money into prohibition.

The lies and propaganda campaign against MJ was truly effective. You can still see it's effects today.
 

Starbuck1975

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Such a harmless little drug, and yet I doubt anyone would be in favor of heavy equipment operators or train conductors or pilots performing their jobs while high, and yes the same applies to alcohol, although alcohol impairment is far easier to detect. Washington, Colorado and California have all seen an increase in drug impaired car accidents, but that trend began before legalization, and in states where it is legalized, there haven’t been trends of more people partaking.

Also, there is scientific evidence that habitual pot use can alter the development of an adolescent brain, and not in a good way.

So while “refer madness” is a fear response, that doesn’t mean its harmless. Yes there are other harmful legal substances out there.
 

Ajay

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I wish we had large data sets on the effects of various doses of THC on cognitive and motor control tests instead of anecdotal info. Last time I looked this up there were only small studies because researchers had to jump through hoops just to get approval for a few ounces of weed. Stupid - just say no to science too.

What are the odds of the senate voting on this? Will McConnell just put whatever senate bill comes up just leave it in his desk draw?
 

Vic

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Such a harmless little drug, and yet I doubt anyone would be in favor of heavy equipment operators or train conductors or pilots performing their jobs while high, and yes the same applies to alcohol, although alcohol impairment is far easier to detect. Washington, Colorado and California have all seen an increase in drug impaired car accidents, but that trend began before legalization, and in states where it is legalized, there haven’t been trends of more people partaking.

Also, there is scientific evidence that habitual pot use can alter the development of an adolescent brain, and not in a good way.

So while “refer madness” is a fear response, that doesn’t mean its harmless. Yes there are other harmful legal substances out there.

Prohibition has done nothing to solve any of those problems. HEO's and train conductors, drivers and adolescents, all of them could still obtain and use under prohibition, regardless of how draconian the punishments. And while marijuana is not harmless, it's not harmful enough to lock people up in prisons for using it either. That 'solution' to this problem has failed. Repeatedly. Expecting it to work has become an insanity more harmful than drug use.
 

Vic

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I wish we had large data sets on the effects of various doses of THC on cognitive and motor control tests instead of anecdotal info. Last time I looked this up there were only small studies because researchers had to jump through hoops just to get approval for a few ounces of weed. Stupid - just say no to science too.

What are the odds of the senate voting on this? Will McConnell just put whatever senate bill comes up just leave it in his desk draw?
The Senate won't vote on this until the Dems have a majority. The Safe Banking Act, which would allow legal marijuana businesses access to the interstate banking system, passed the House with a supermajority vote last year, but has been held up in Senate committee ever since.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Such a harmless little drug, and yet I doubt anyone would be in favor of heavy equipment operators or train conductors or pilots performing their jobs while high, and yes the same applies to alcohol, although alcohol impairment is far easier to detect. Washington, Colorado and California have all seen an increase in drug impaired car accidents, but that trend began before legalization, and in states where it is legalized, there haven’t been trends of more people partaking.

Also, there is scientific evidence that habitual pot use can alter the development of an adolescent brain, and not in a good way.

So while “refer madness” is a fear response, that doesn’t mean its harmless. Yes there are other harmful legal substances out there.

Beat that straw bro
 
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Jhhnn

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I haven't heard of a urine test that confirms immediate intoxication. The problem with MJ is how long it stays in your system. A heavy equipment operator can ingest MJ on Friday night, and two weeks later still fail a test.

Alcohol is much different in more ways than one. This is just one.

THC is converted into non-psychoactive metabolites that linger in the body & build up in regular users. Piss tests have never been more than back door law enforcement. Instead of losing money or freedom, offenders lose their jobs.
 
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HomerJS

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As is the case with everything, what’s needed is data. I’ve certainly seen more than a few cases of young kids getting high in parking lots and then driving off. There’s some data indicating that there’s a link between heavy marijuana use and mental illness, anxiety disorder and depression.

I support the decriminalization of possession. I don’t think its wise to make it as accessible as alcohol, and I don’t really get the allure of it.
So is a steady diet of Fox News but we don't ban that. (tongue in cheek but still true) Did we learn nothing from prohibition?

What you described can be changed from "pot" to "beer". Same outcome. It's not the pot or the beer
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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THC is converted into non-psychoactive metabolites that linger in the body & build up in regular users. Piss tests have never been more than back door law enforcement. Instead of losing money or freedom, offenders lose their jobs.
Sure, I understand. That's the behavioral control piece of if, and it's based on lies and propaganda.
 

trenchfoot

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Classic case of the regressives trying to hold back the progressives.............again.
 
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Classic case of the regressives trying to hold back the progressives.............again.

In this case, I almost don't know of even any right wingers that aren't ok with marijuana being legalized. They're doing it purely out of being anti-democratic. Plus I'm 100% sure that every single GOP politician that voted against it is a regular user of a worse substance. It has nothing to do with anything other than them intentionally fucking up democracy so they can point to that is their reason for why they need to destroy it.

Just wait, they're gonna drop all pretense soon and they're going to regularly start arguing that "sure the Nazis might have done some bad things, but they got things done because they didn't put up with any dissension".
 
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