9800 already being phased out?

[bryanW1995]

http://www.dailytech.com/NVIDI...ummer/article11451.htm

here's the very end of the article:



Channel partners indicate that the 9800 GTX and GX2 will begin phasing out next month in preparation for the GT200 launch. Both companies have made promises to show demonstrations of their next-gen cards at the Computex Taipei trade show on June 3, 2008.

 

[Genx87]

What does phasing out mean? They will cease shipping silicon to OEMs? That would put the GT200 in a July\August launch timeframe if true.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Radeon 9800 was phased out YEARS ago

 

[Drayvn]

I think thats a great name, 9900WTF!

 

[Keysplayr]

I like "9900OMGWTFBBQ" myself.

 

[webada]

you do know 9800 is just a glorified 8800 G92 right?

i bet you marketing made engineers to come up with that one.. lol

 

[webada]

oh, one way to notices sign of actual phasing out a product are the rebates!

I got a 8800GT G80 on a $50 rebate, before you know it, G92 came out, cooler, faster, and same price (minus the rebates)

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
http://www.dailytech.com/NVIDI...ummer/article11451.htm

here's the very end of the article:



Channel partners indicate that the 9800 GTX and GX2 will begin phasing out next month in preparation for the GT200 launch. Both companies have made promises to show demonstrations of their next-gen cards at the Computex Taipei trade show on June 3, 2008.

It's already a known fact, why are you surprised?

Uniformity is a rigorous law of nature, what has happened before will happen again. Remember that

Edit:

this might interest you: http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?58124

 

[lopri]

According to the article the RV770's will be below $300, and that's already telling that it's not a chip that's meant for the top dog. (Yes, I know that there will be 2xRV770 a.k.a. R700)

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: webada
you do know 9800 is just a glorified 8800 G92 right?

i bet you marketing made engineers to come up with that one.. lol

with all the features finished and enabled, and higher quality power component and clock cycles...

That being said, there still isn't a hybrid power capable intel board.
Tri SLI is a waste. (tri sli isn't what I meant by a feature, just a selling point)
And the various now finished video decoding features that were added to the 9800GTX are likely to never be used by most people.

I can't wait for the G200... have something to replace my 8800GTS 512...

Interestingly enough, I read an article where physix over cuda was reviewed and it is getting near to being ready. It will allow all the DX10 capable nvidia cards to render physix, and faster then the original stand alone card did. I am wondering what the vram requirement of that would be... oblivion with all the mods takes 620 or so MB of vram, but most games stick at under 512MB. But with physics as well it could spike, and make 1GB of ram a requirement.

 

[imported_Shaq]

"NVIDIA's 9900 is currently scheduled as an ultra-high end adapter to be priced higher than the GeForce 9800 GX2 offerings, which retail for more than $500 today."

So it will cost $600 like the 8800GTX did at launch? The slower model I guess will be $450 like the 8800GTS 640. As long as it's not $750 a la the 7800GTX 512 I'll consider it. SLI will still be cheaper unless it is twice as fast as a 9800GTX.

 

[webada]

GPU will have to under go a fab revolution like the CPUs did. AMD for one might have the know-how to bring that to ATI. SLI, GX2, two cpu die on one pcb, are all "patch" engineering at increasing performances. We have yet to see a redesign at the core level.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I thought the 9900 was just going to be a die shrink (55nm) and that we wouldn't see GT200 till early next year. Is this true?

 

[webada]

Originally posted by: taltamir

Originally posted by: webada
you do know 9800 is just a glorified 8800 G92 right?

i bet you marketing made engineers to come up with that one.. lol

with all the features finished and enabled, and higher quality power component and clock cycles...

.

well, yea.... same fundamentals but higher clock speed and extra noncore features addons = glorified.
There is no fundamental architectural change. its a waste of money to upgrade from 8800 gts to 9800... unless you really got money to waste....

You actually see a pattern here, its the same as intel's. Design A on 60nm, Design A on 45nm, Design B on 45nm, Design B on ..... redesign, shrink, redesign, shrink... but never at the same time. Its all marketing.

 

[taltamir]

well, its true that is all marketing. I for example did NOT upgrade my 8800GTS 512 to a 9800GTX. It is a BETTER card, but not worth the upgrade to me (and most people).
That being said. There is a huge advange to nvidia releasing something new every few monthes. Older parts gets their price cut all the time. The old G80 core stayed at the same price for almost a year. The depreciated G92 cards are constantly going down in price as "ever so slightly better" cards come along. In my book this is a great thing. If they WANT to glorify it in marketing with brand new names and price tags, well this is good with me, as it makes the almost identical parts cheaper for me to buy.

 

[apoppin]

Are we hearing this again? it is a *repost* - from this week

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...100994&highlight_key=y from last year
>> Nvidia's next gen high end Comes in 2008

reposted - identical to here: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...175200&highlight_key=y
>> 9800GX2 is about to reach End of Life


you didn't believe me 5 weeks ago when i said it:

GT200 is taped out and already waiting for R700!!

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...164918&highlight_key=y

 

[Cookie Monster]

Theres too many conflicting rumours based on this 9900 series refresh. Some say its the GT-200 which imo its not (doesn't make sense plus i think the GT-200 is more of a brand name since this GPU can also be referred to as D10U-30 or w/e), but rather the 55nm G92 i.e G92b. They theoretically could clock the chip much higher and call it a day til the real nexr gen GT-200 can be released sometime late in 08.

 

[Hauk]

Of late there always seem to be too many conflicting rumors. I thought I'd never part with my trusty 8800 GTX. I'd have loved to see two in action. For now, these 9800 GTX's are rocking pretty well. With my new 24" Dell LCD, I'm in heaven! I have to post pics. Even bought a new desk to accomodate...

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Theres too many conflicting rumours based on this 9900 series refresh. Some say its the GT-200 which imo its not (doesn't make sense plus i think the GT-200 is more of a brand name since this GPU can also be referred to as D10U-30 or w/e), but rather the 55nm G92 i.e G92b. They theoretically could clock the chip much higher and call it a day til the real nexr gen GT-200 can be released sometime late in 08.

You?re somewhat right actually .. the ?T? in GT would denote brand new architecture ? a change from G80 core to another brand new core by a different "team" - the 10,000 series - i think [wild guess] - the Main Performance GPUs that will bring us the GTX and the Ultra .. MANY derivatives of GT200 will continue to be respun, shrunk and otherwise improved for the next 2-4 years .. until the next in their series of "naming conventions" - which are really [really] easy to figure out, btw.

9900GTX is also "T" but from the altered and shrunk G94>G92b .. or GT100 .. the "value" line .. and that core will be the basis for NVIDIA mid-range GPUs for the next 1-3 years

mine is a logical analysis and it is based on nvidia's "history" and the data available to us right now ..
-try to pick it apart
AFAIK the only thing i think i am guessing at is the "name" of GT200 .. maybe NVIDIA should have a contest to name it
:Q

why not?

 

[ronnn]

I like the demonstrations part. Just on time to rain on the launch of the ati offering. Should be interesting times (at least lets hope so). Personally I would like a new game or 2 in dx10.1 that is creative and fun.

 

[Sylvanas]

Sweet I'd love to get my hands on a GT200 if it lives up to be what we think it is. Although I do think we are VERY close to a die shrunk G92 which will become the new High end....so maybe waiting a little while longer .

 

[Rusin]

I think that GT200 will be the high end and G92b will be the midrange. I mean after dieshrink G92b should be slightly smaller than G94. They will also have G94b.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rusin
I think that GT200 will be the high end and G92b will be the midrange. I mean after dieshrink G92b should be slightly smaller than G94. They will also have G94b.

You read my analysis .. what ELSE could it possibly be?

GT100 = 9900GTX - the midrange - from G80>G94>G92b [55nm]
-cheap to produce and "tweakable" to over-match rv770 - EDIT - *interim* - just like 9800GTX and GX2 = there may be NO GT100!![at all ]

.. > GT200 "insert clever name here"GTX-Ultra [.55 nm and smaller eventually] .. the Performance Leader .. and expect GT200-GTX-x2
.. as it is "needed" to blow-away whatever r700 brings
[EDIT: this is the *real deal* - the "G80 of 2008-2011"]

clever these NVIDIANs - their engineers, at least - i gotta see their "marketing" in action - i was most disappointed with GX2 and 9800GTX - although i understand "why" .. kind asloppy, imo. ..
GT200 -0 and especially that DAMN "GT100" took me a bit more time than usual to figure it out [there is no "GT100"] .. looking up their architectural naming conventions also helped .. i think i know what's coming .. and The Light Green Tower is nervous as they prepare to wield the r700 Ring of Power against what i fear is the One Ring, GT200x2Ultra - this time ... fortunately, for AMD - Graphics is just a "division" now .. and the War will not be decided on the Fields of Pellinore .. or even in Santa Clara's rolling hills near the Big Fault.

it will all be clear - as SOON as r700 is announced

not long now, i think


EDIT: i rewrote the above a bit to clarify .. we *know* there is GT200; otoh GT-100 appears to be something else - a name - possibly created by tech sites to differentiate between - new architecture - GTee 200 .. and *whatever* is based on G80 is called "Gt100" although it does NOT appear to be "new" architecture at all .. just based on G80, speed-bumped and shrunk

. . and of course, those will likely be G80's G92b as probably "lower end" and that GT200 {new architecture} "cut down" will also be available for "upper midrange"


clear as mud?

in OTHER words, forget GT100 .. GT200 is the *real deal*
- i think NVIDIA is phasing out G80 and g94 and even g92b in favor of GT200 brand new architecture - ultimately

NVIDIA is betting the 'farm' on this GT200 - it appears to be as *solid* a bet as G80
ok, you now have it "all"

thanks for your patience

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: webada
GPU will have to under go a fab revolution like the CPUs did. AMD for one might have the know-how to bring that to ATI. SLI, GX2, two cpu die on one pcb, are all "patch" engineering at increasing performances. We have yet to see a redesign at the core level.

Uh, CPU's underwent a revolution?
Last I checked, Intel were slapping 2 dies on a single processor and AMD were planning to do the same. Easier than making a single monolithic die.
Doesn't seem hugely different to sticking 2 GPU's on a single card.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lopri
According to the article the RV770's will be below $300, and that's already telling that it's not a chip that's meant for the top dog. (Yes, I know that there will be 2xRV770 a.k.a. R700)

When ATi was acquired by AMD I speculated it may be the end of their "high end" efforts, this is apparently coming to pass. *

However, I can remember years ago when ATi was the number one graphics provider and had nothing close to high end.

A lot more IGP and low - mid range cards are sold than $600 cards (although at lower profit er chip)so a focus on volume and OEM sales may well be what a financially bleeding AMD needs now.

Unfortunately for us as enthusiasts "It's a darn good value" isn't as much fun to talk about as "Holy crap! I'm playing Game X at 25X16 and this was never possible before!", so what may be necessary for AMD will make for less to discuss here.



*at least so far- hopefully when AMD stabilizes they'll pump up the R&D at the high end.