9800GX2 Pics!

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Cheex
Oh.

I do suppose that that is a better means of utilizing your hardware.
Then again, it has to be 'smart' enough to pre-load all that it needs or else you'll have stuttering.

yes, that is true. But i doubt anyone can max AW there are rumours going on the net that no one can max it with Quad and SLI.

Are you trying to lead me to believe that Alan Wake will be more demanding and more graphically intensive (maybe even better looking) than Crysis?

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Cheex
Oh.

I do suppose that that is a better means of utilizing your hardware.
Then again, it has to be 'smart' enough to pre-load all that it needs or else you'll have stuttering.

yes, that is true. But i doubt anyone can max AW there are rumours going on the net that no one can max it with Quad and SLI.

Are you trying to lead me to believe that Alan Wake will be more demanding and more graphically intensive (maybe even better looking) than Crysis?

i don't know. The screenshots and videos of AW are two years old, don't you think they would added lot to the game by now?

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Cheex

Originally posted by: Aberforth

Originally posted by: Cheex
Oh.

I do suppose that that is a better means of utilizing your hardware.
Then again, it has to be 'smart' enough to pre-load all that it needs or else you'll have stuttering.

yes, that is true. But i doubt anyone can max AW there are rumours going on the net that no one can max it with Quad and SLI.

Are you trying to lead me to believe that Alan Wake will be more demanding and more graphically intensive (maybe even better looking) than Crysis?

i don't know. The screenshots and videos of AW are two years old, don't you think they would added lot to the game by now?

Well yes. I just hope that it is optimized really well for DX10.

 

[Cheex]

Anyone else find it strange that in all the pictures released of the 9800GX2, none of them show the "business end" of the card....

The part where you plug on the power....

How many power connectors does it have, 1 or 2 or 3....??
How many pins on each, 6-pin or 8-pin....??

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Is it just me, or does that card look like a George Foreman grill?

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
Is it just me, or does that card look like a George Foreman grill?

a george foreman grill would kill this card. fuck quad sli, quad 99% fat free patties at once for life FTW

 

[fleshconsumed]

Well, even at $449 9800GX2 is still not that attractive to me. Most likely it will run hot and won't be particularly quiet in idle. However, in other news (if they are to be believed) nvidia is supposed to release single chip solution 9800GTX and maybe even GT. Both of these cards are supposed to be slower than GX2, so accordingly they should be priced lower as well, and that's what makes me excited. That's still not a total refresh, but at least prices are better now.

 

[Cheex]

True.

I would like to see the price and specs for the 9800GTX. That might very well be my upgrade path from this 8800GTS 320MB.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

Call me crazy but over the last few days the idea of running 2 HD 3870's in Xfire has been running through my brain, hell my GTX is 2 years old now, such a dinosaur. :evil:

 

[SpeedyGonzales]

If the speculations in this thread are correct (9800gx2 30-50% faster than 8800gtx and 9800gtx 10-20% faster than 8800gtx), can we agree, that nVidia and ATI simply missed one product cycle ? ATI because of a late design change, that did not work out and nVidia, because they did not have to release anything really new ?

Or was the 8800gtx so groundbreaking, that it was impossible to repeat this. If I look at the development lead time for a GPU I am wondering if nVidia was in a position to predict ATI to fail.

It is a frustrating for enthusiasts to wait 1,5years for a new high-end part, hoping for a new 8800gtx or 9700, but on the other hand I enjoy the fact, that I do not have to replace my trusty 8800gts320. As I said before, not just for one or two games, which are probably not even properly optimized.

 

[Cheex]

I'm kinda itching to replace my GTS but with what?

Right now the best bang-for-buck card is still the 8800GT 512MB.
Now, based on the new developments, options are as follows...

1) 8800GT - ~$260
2) 8800GTS - ~$360 (you pay extra here for better cooling than GT)
3) 9800GTX - ~$400
4) 9800GX2 - ~$450


Also, the 8800GTX had 768MB of VRAM, how likely is it that the 9800GTX will have either 768MB also or 1GB?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: SpeedyGonzales
If the speculations in this thread are correct (9800gx2 30-50% faster than 8800gtx and 9800gtx 10-20% faster than 8800gtx), can we agree, that nVidia and ATI simply missed one product cycle ? ATI because of a late design change, that did not work out and nVidia, because they did not have to release anything really new ?

Or was the 8800gtx so groundbreaking, that it was impossible to repeat this. If I look at the development lead time for a GPU I am wondering if nVidia was in a position to predict ATI to fail.

It is a frustrating for enthusiasts to wait 1,5years for a new high-end part, hoping for a new 8800gtx or 9700, but on the other hand I enjoy the fact, that I do not have to replace my trusty 8800gts320. As I said before, not just for one or two games, which are probably not even properly optimized.

I think both Nvidia and Ati are on schedule with the product cycle, and nobody planned to release a new high end gpu this year. It simply would have been impractical to do it on 90nm process, so they both have to wait until 65nm or 55nm becomes mature enough to make it feasible. And usually they release midrange and low end cards first using newer process technology, hence the g92 and the rv670 came first. The new high end gpu will come a few months later, and the best they can do now is superglue 2 smaller gpu's on one card.

 

[Aberforth]

Originally posted by: Cheex
I'm kinda itching to replace my GTS but with what?

Right now the best bang-for-buck card is still the 8800GT 512MB.
Now, based on the new developments, options are as follows...

1) 8800GT - ~$260
2) 8800GTS - ~$360 (you pay extra here for better cooling than GT)
3) 9800GTX - ~$400
4) 9800GX2 - ~$450


Also, the 8800GTX had 768MB of VRAM, how likely is it that the 9800GTX will have either 768MB also or 1GB?

lol, i don't think 9800 gtx is going to come out anytime soon, i suggest you buy GX2 or GTS 512 mb if you are in a hurry.

And I were you i'd also buy an aftermarket cooler and overclock it to crazy speeds like i've done with my gtx and gts

 

[Cheex]

Well, if I were to buy a GX2, then I'd be a the top of the line now wouldn't I?

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Cheex
Well, if I were to buy a GX2, then I'd be a the top of the line now wouldn't I?

It would appear so...

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/...wxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA==

 

[Cheex]

That doesn't sound so bad now does it?

30% is one thing, initially, but let us hope the drivers get better.
That 30% is probably with alpha drivers...lol.

If I'll end up with even 150% performance of the Ultra, @ 75% of the cost.....I win 2 to 1...yay!!!!

 

[nitro28]

Tomshardware says it is going to be $450.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: Cheex
That doesn't sound so bad now does it?

30% is one thing, initially, but let us hope the drivers get better.
That 30% is probably with alpha drivers...lol.

Well, this card isn't really any different than two 8800GTSs, with possibly lower clocks. They have had over a year to improve the 8800 SLI drivers.

 

[Cheex]

At $450 for a GX2 vs. an Ultra for $600.........

30%+ performance....

Not bad in my opinion.

However, if the 9800GTX is for $400, then there will be no question about what to get now will there?

 

[Aberforth]

true next-gen cards won't be coming until Q4 2008. I think 9800 gtx will have a new processor with 512 shaders, 200 GB/s bandwidth :laugh: and will be priced somewhere around 600-700 bucks.

at present i'm thinking of getting Gx2 after reviews appear on the net.

What we need is upgradable graphic boards like we can add new GPU, memory, heatsink etc

 

[Cheex]

Originally posted by: Aberforth
true next-gen cards won't be coming until Q4 2008. I think 9800 gtx will have a new processor with 512 shaders, 200 GB/s bandwidth :laugh: and will be priced somewhere around 600-700 bucks.

at present i'm thinking of getting Gx2 after reviews appear on the net.

What we need is upgradable graphic boards like we can add new GPU, memory, heatsink etc

ROFL. I would have upgraded my VRAM ages ago from 320MB. LOL.

Anyway, if it really is going to take that long then I might as well get a GX2 also. After all, it was stated that the 9800GTX would be slower (and cheaper) but then again, anything below the GX2 in performance right now, I might as well buy an 8800GT.

Once the GX2 is under $500, I think I might get one.

I think they look nice too....all squared out and shit.

 

[SpeedyGonzales]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: SpeedyGonzales
If the speculations in this thread are correct (9800gx2 30-50% faster than 8800gtx and 9800gtx 10-20% faster than 8800gtx), can we agree, that nVidia and ATI simply missed one product cycle ? ATI because of a late design change, that did not work out and nVidia, because they did not have to release anything really new ?

Or was the 8800gtx so groundbreaking, that it was impossible to repeat this. If I look at the development lead time for a GPU I am wondering if nVidia was in a position to predict ATI to fail.

It is a frustrating for enthusiasts to wait 1,5years for a new high-end part, hoping for a new 8800gtx or 9700, but on the other hand I enjoy the fact, that I do not have to replace my trusty 8800gts320. As I said before, not just for one or two games, which are probably not even properly optimized.

I think both Nvidia and Ati are on schedule with the product cycle, and nobody planned to release a new high end gpu this year. It simply would have been impractical to do it on 90nm process, so they both have to wait until 65nm or 55nm becomes mature enough to make it feasible. And usually they release midrange and low end cards first using newer process technology, hence the g92 and the rv670 came first. The new high end gpu will come a few months later, and the best they can do now is superglue 2 smaller gpu's on one card.

In times of real competition the product cycles usually were:

a brand new card every 12 months and a refresh after 6.

The 8800gtx is now around for 15 months and has not been replaced, by anything that can beat it. My impression is, that one product cycle is missing. They came with an OC version after 6 months (Ultra) and 12 months later with faster clocked parts but reduced the bus width (new gt/gts).

Either because they could not deliver anything new (because of technology constraints, 65nm/55nm not available) or because they did not want to (ATI not competitive). I have some doubts about the latter, because that would mean, that nVidia was able to predict ATIs problems a year ago.

Anyway. What I say is: if the products are not significantly faster - and with this I mean at least 50% of what we have in our rigs - we should not buy it. However the people that are still running 7xxx or 6xxx generation cards should enjoy the price/performance drops.

 

[Cheex]

Good point Speedy. From all indications, the price/performance ratio is only getting better for us.

 

[ghost recon88]

As I'm sure its already been stated, the 9800GX2 is nothing more than 2x 8800GTS (G92) glued together. The 9800GTX (single-card) however is going to use the G100 core, and will actually be newer than the 9800GX2. The name of the 9800GX2 is whats confusing, it will should be called a 8800GX2 since its still using the old(er) 8800 series core(s). The 9800GTX/GTS/GT cards are all gonna use the faster newer core, but they probably won't be coming out till April/May. Therefore if you already have a 8800 card, theres really no need to get the 9800GX2 unless you have money to burn, in which case you can send it to me

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: ghost recon88
As I'm sure its already been stated, the 9800GX2 is nothing more than 2x 8800GTS (G92) glued together. The 9800GTX (single-card) however is going to use the G100 core, and will actually be newer than the 9800GX2. The name of the 9800GX2 is whats confusing, it will should be called a 8800GX2 since its still using the old(er) 8800 series core(s). The 9800GTX/GTS/GT cards are all gonna use the faster newer core, but they probably won't be coming out till April/May. Therefore if you already have a 8800 card, theres really no need to get the 9800GX2 unless you have money to burn, in which case you can send it to me

That's not what the newest rumors are suggesting. They suggest even the 9800GTX is nothing more than a die shrink to 65nm and probably uses the same G92 chip that powers the 8800GT and 8800GTS.