9800gx2 prices

[MarcVenice]

Sounds pricey to me, considering it will barely outperform 2 8800gt's if the rumors are to believed. Knowing 2 8800gt's can be had for 370$ or so, I think it's rather expensive in comparison. Yes, you need a SLI mobo, but those aren't 230$ more expensive.

http://www.guru3d.com/news.html#6621

 

[Zinthar]

Yup, it's absolutely ludicrous -- just like the price of the 8800 Ultra, or the fact that the 8800GTX was selling for hundreds more than the slightly faster 8800GTS 512. Oh, Nvidia...

The GX2 is the card to get if money is no object and you're too impatient to wait for better high-end 65nm cards from NVidia upcoming.

 

[Narse]

Yes, its way overpriced, I would have purchased one if the price had been 450.00 or so.

 

[batmang]

I'd rather have the 3870X2 for $430 if I wanted a single card solution. $600? That is way over priced.

 

[nitromullet]

It is pretty pricey, but you have to consider a few things...

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...
2) A single gpu high end card a year ago was ~$600.
3) 780i SLI is the only NVIDIA chipset that supports quad core Penryn chips, and these boards are ~$250. You can get a cheaper 680/650i board, but you lose the possibility of a pretty significant upgrade path. Someone with a P35 board might prefer the 9800GX2 option.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced myself. I think there are pros/cons of going with either 9800GX2 or say dual 8800GT(S) + SLI motherboard. ...just kind of musing out loud.

 

[Piuc2020]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
It is pretty pricey, but you have to consider a few things...

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...
2) A single gpu high end card a year ago was ~$600.
3) 780i SLI is the only NVIDIA chipset that supports quad core Penryn chips, and these boards are ~$250. You can get a cheaper 680/650i board, but you lose the possibility of a pretty significant upgrade path. Someone with a P35 board might prefer the 9800GX2 option.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced myself. I think there are pros/cons of going with either 9800GX2 or say dual 8800GT(S) + SLI motherboard. ...just kind of musing out loud.

It's not "chances" it's a hard, cold FACT that it will beat the HD 3870 X2, come on you guys are talking as if we don't know what exactly to expect of this card, it's an SLI 8800GTS slightly downclocked and those already beat the HD 3870 X2... the 9800GX2 WILL be the fastest single-card solution, why is anyone doubting that?

Anyways, it's probably going to end up expensive but it's also the only way to have Quad-SLI so for the 30" monitor gamers out there I guess this might be a decent jump over Tri-SLI if Quad-SLI scales well. Still only for the people who need the best of the best.

The new 9 series card seems to bring improvement to ultra high end users the most, especially Quad-SLI and Tri-SLI users, that's about the only thing new about the 9 series since G92 Tri-SLI will be much more forgiving on power consumption and heat. The midrange has already been served quite nicely with the 9600GT and the 8800GT.

 

[formulav8]

Maybe its just me, but I don't see nVidias x2 being as elegant as ATis x2.

IS there any info on how exactly their making the card? 2 pcbs? Hot running compared to ATIs?


Just wondering....


Jason

 

[Piuc2020]

Every site is reporting it's very hot to touch (what card isn't though, or do you guys think 60-80C is bearable to touch for more than a quick touch?) and it is indeed two pcbs sandwiched together, yeah it's probably not as elegant as ATI's solution but it performs and likely scales better which means AMD's elegance means squat.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: formulav8
Maybe its just me, but I don't see nVidias x2 being as elegant as ATis x2.

IS there any info on how exactly their making the card? 2 pcbs? Hot running compared to ATIs?


Just wondering....


Jason

That's the same "argument" fans of AMD CPU's were using as Core2 Quads obliterate Phenoms. "The elegance of design is what makes the CPU truly a better one." (He says as his Phenom takes 40 minutes longer to decode "Independence Day", than his college dorm buddy does with a Q6600.

We are not into elegance. We are into performance. Whoever told you differently, was being a fibber.

If the ugliest monstrosity in the world of video cards outperformed all others, and price aside (which is sounding atrocious so far), tell me you wouldn't want that puppy in your rig???

Nitpicking ethics aside as well.

OT: This this should be spewing out lots of heat. Two 8800GTS's in the crammed space of one. It's not so much the heat, but how it can get trapped between the two PCB's and significantly raise temps. But then again, we DONT HAVE A CLUE.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
It is pretty pricey, but you have to consider a few things...

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...
2) A single gpu high end card a year ago was ~$600.
3) 780i SLI is the only NVIDIA chipset that supports quad core Penryn chips, and these boards are ~$250. You can get a cheaper 680/650i board, but you lose the possibility of a pretty significant upgrade path. Someone with a P35 board might prefer the 9800GX2 option.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced myself. I think there are pros/cons of going with either 9800GX2 or say dual 8800GT(S) + SLI motherboard. ...just kind of musing out loud.

i can hardly wait to see NVIDIA's PR ... this time

will it be anything like 7800GTX-512MB? .. another short-run overpriced "status card" to fill in a "gap" while they make a real single faster core this Fall? ... for those "elite" enough and willing to Drop $700 on-a-slower-than-nvidia's-OWN-cheaper-midrange-SLi just to say "i have the fastest single-slot Video card"

Who? .. whoa .. waaay too many qualifications for my tastes ... and those elite guys already have SLi ... maybe some of them will buy 2 for $1,500 [inc. tax]
:Q

Any married guys here gonna try and get a Gx2 by their wife?
:Q

LMK how it goes

Don't tell her r700 is coming out [maybe] before this Summer and Certainly you will need to get ANOTHER nvidia card this Fall
.. shhh!

all i have to say is ... it better be really [really] really Fast .. a performance Monster
... maybe i will still get one .. depends if i can fix my car cheaply or not .... and that "new car smell" of the rental is driving me nuts.
:roll:

 

[Keysplayr]

All this.........................



"i can hardly wait to see NVIDIA's PR ... this time

will it be anything like 7800GTX-512MB? .. another short-run overpriced "status card" to fill in a "gap" while they make a real single faster core this Fall? ... for those "elite" enough and willing to Drop $700 on-a-slower-than-nvidia's-OWN-cheaper-midrange-SLi just to say "i have the fastest single-slot Video card"

Who? .. whoa .. waaay too many qualifications for my tastes ... and those elite guys already have SLi ... maybe some of them will buy 2 for $1,500 [inc. tax]
:Q

Any married guys here gonna try and get a Gx2 by their wife?
:Q

LMK how it goes

Don't tell her r700 is coming out [maybe] before this Summer and Certainly you will need to get ANOTHER nvidia card this Fall
.. shhh!

all i have to say is ... it better be really [really] really Fast .. a performance Monster
... maybe i will still get one .. depends if i can fix my car cheaply or not .... and that "new car smell" of the rental is driving me nuts.
:roll:[/quote]


And then what's bolded in the last paragraph. You gave me a good laugh. Thank you.

Get back on your pain meds!! (I hope you are doing better BTW). :thumbsup:

 

[rgallant]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
It is pretty pricey, but you have to consider a few things...

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...
2) A single gpu high end card a year ago was ~$600.
3) 780i SLI is the only NVIDIA chipset that supports quad core Penryn chips, and these boards are ~$250. You can get a cheaper 680/650i board, but you lose the possibility of a pretty significant upgrade path. Someone with a P35 board might prefer the 9800GX2 option.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not 100% convinced myself. I think there are pros/cons of going with either 9800GX2 or say dual 8800GT(S) + SLI motherboard. ...just kind of musing out loud.

-this is what I'am looking at:

-because of (3) I'am looking @ the 9800GX2

-My Evga stepup ends March 19, $600-$330=$270,+ shipping & duties $80? =$350 apox.
Nvidia chip set $300 with tax ,another 8800GTS 512 $330 with tax =630 for SLI min.

Also my set up is super stable, not sure how many hours it will take to get a nvidia board this stable, if ever. The SLI 8800GTS 512's should be faster, but will it be as stable on a Modded 680I CHIP SET,(780i) The 790i is to fix a lot of problems, but it won't be $250.00 from what I hear. So I'am lookin at the 9800GX2, As a option with a dead line,this weekend should bring one real bench test maybe.

-I'am not sure I want to buy a new board this year and to buy another one next year maybe when Intel comes out with their next gen. chips.

 

[Sind]

At $600-700 it sure as heck better be doubling a 3870X2. GTS512SLI, 8800GTSLI, 3870X2 seem to be a better purchase imo then this thing.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...

It'll be around 20% faster than the 3870x2. Not exactly "wiping the floor". Just look at the 3870 vs 8800gt performance gap, around 20%. Now assuming SLI and Crossfire scale around the same, it'll be 20% faster than the 3870x2...unfortunately it's 35% more money. A better solution would be to buy seperate 8800's, around the same price as the 3870x2 but still 20% faster than it like the 9800gx2.

I don't know how nVidia expects to sell any of these at a price of $650.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: nitromullet

1) Chances are it's going to wipe the floor with the 3870 X2. Sure, that's only speculation, but dual 9600GTs give the 3870 X2 a run for its money...

It'll be around 20% faster than the 3870x2. Not exactly "wiping the floor". Just look at the 3870 vs 8800gt performance gap, around 20%. Now assuming SLI and Crossfire scale around the same, it'll be 20% faster than the 3870x2...unfortunately it's 35% more money. A better solution would be to buy seperate 8800's, around the same price as the 3870x2 but still 20% faster than it like the 9800gx2.

I don't know how nVidia expects to sell any of these at a price of $650.

the *only* thing i can really compare it to it when ATi brought out the X1800xt and beat the 7800GTX-256MB - *slightly* ... just as today, the HD3870x2 "edges" the OLD Ultra ... so - back THEN nvidia brought out this VERY LIMITED run, $700 7800GTX-512MB that was hot and *impossible* to find ... within a week they were $1,000 USED on e-bay

and of course we remember what happened, there were a bunch of BITTER nvidia enthusiasts when x1900xt crushed it not long after and *shortly* thereafter that [pre-shades of r700/G200], 7900GTX was released and it was a cheaper and faster GPU and that overpriced flagship 7800GTX-512 became a curiosity.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Any married guys here gonna try and get a Gx2 by their wife?
:Q

LMK how it goes

Sheesh, I'd hope married guys would be able to "slide" $600 by their wife if they're considering high end video cards.

IMO if you've got $450 for a 3870X2, you've got $600 for a GX2, assuming they end up costing that.

I can see the marital scene now, Joe Videogamer walks in the front door with his $450 3870X2 and his wife says,"Oh honey, thank you for being such smart shopper and only spending $450 on a new video card! Let's go to bed!"

But woe unto Joe if he drops the proverbial six bills on a GX2!
<SMASH> (stone rolling pin caves Joe's skull)
"Idiot! We only had $450 saved up for a video card, not $600! I'm going home to mother and taking half your assets as soon as I can find a ruthless lawyer to sleep with whilst robbing you blind!"

Uh huh.

There's no need to complain about the price of these things yet when:
a. It hasn't launched
b. We don't know what performance is.
c. All of Nitro's points are valid
d. New high end cards often cost $500-$600, and people pay it by the 10s of 1000s.

ATi's "we'll be cheapest" philosophy makes for some interesting alternatives and great values, but the market has proven trime and time again, with every item in your computer, that people will pay a premium to have the current best.

RAM, NIC, Sound Card, Case, Monitor, CPU, HSF, speakers- the high end of everything costs a good deal more than the value end.

I "slid" $1100 by my wife to buy a bigger monitor a few weeks back, I "slid" $650 by my wife to buy a second 7950GX2 when they launched. I "slid" $600 by my wife to buy a second 8800GTX when they launched. Etc ad infinitum

Moral of the story:
Being a computer gamer isn't cheap, especially when you buy the good stuff.

 

[apoppin]

You know i think you still have an old Cut and Paste from our old debates about 7800GTX-512MB
:Q

letsee if i remember right you said the same thing about it when it wasn't much faster than 7800GTX-256MB ... it was also $600 ... and it got spanked thoroughly a few months later by 7900GTX [never mind x1950xt]

let me look it up

the *difference* is .. we are in a RECESSION .. and you need to update your notes and your argument... Joe ain't gonna upgrade from 3870x2 .. and since he is "smart" about his money he is waiting for nvidia's "real" flagship GPU .. not NVIDIA's limited-run super-pricey ego "answer" to 3870x2.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You know i think you still have an old Cut and Paste from our old debates about 7800GTX-512MB
:Q

letsee if i remember right you said the same thing about it when it wasn't much faster than 7800GTX-256MB ... it was also $600 ... and it got spanked thoroughly a few months later by 7900GTX

let me look it up

the *difference* is .. we are in a RECESSION

Errrr...some people are. Everyone I know (self included) is making more money than they ever have in their life.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
You know i think you still have an old Cut and Paste from our old debates about 7800GTX-512MB
:Q

letsee if i remember right you said the same thing about it when it wasn't much faster than 7800GTX-256MB ... it was also $600 ... and it got spanked thoroughly a few months later by 7900GTX

let me look it up

the *difference* is .. we are in a RECESSION

Errrr...some people are. Everyone I know (self included) is making more money than they ever have in their life.

Don't be silly, that is because of inflation. Besides, look up the definition of recession.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Joe ain't gonna upgrade from 3870x2 .

LOL- I'd hope not, unless the GX2 offers something he needs that a 3870X2 can't provide. The 3870X2s just came out, I don't think it's owners are NVIDIA's target market.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You know i think you still have an old Cut and Paste from our old debates about 7800GTX-512MB
:Q

letsee if i remember right you said the same thing about it when it wasn't much faster than 7800GTX-256MB ... it was also $600 ... and it got spanked thoroughly a few months later by 7900GTX [never mind x1950xt]

let me look it up

the *difference* is .. we are in a RECESSION .. and you need to update your notes and your argument... Joe ain't gonna upgrade from 3870x2 .. and since he is "smart" about his money he is waiting for nvidia's "real" flagship GPU .. not NVIDIA's limited-run super-pricey ego "answer" to 3870x2.

i struck pure *gold* ... and now i know why i had feelings of Deja Vu

we are repeating '05/'06

512MB 7800GTXs in stock
The OP was ... formerly known as Rollo


Would u still buy a GTX 512mb if it was 485.99?
Was asked the *same* Questions 2 years ago

7800GTX vs X1900XTX or wait for G71
and we got the *same* answer

the past repeats itself
:Q

learn from others' past mistakes

and the "artist formerly known as Rollo" is repeating his SAME tired old argument - in different times
:roll:

i am sure there might be some fat cats in PR that might be a little concerned about their own jobs if they cna't figure out a way to sell these overpriced "status" turkeys

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: nRollo
b. We don't know what performance is.

Yes we do. 8800GTS/GT SLI = 9800gx2

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

the past repeats itself
:Q

learn from others' past mistakes

and the "artist formerly known as Rollo" is repeating his SAME tired old argument - in different times
:roll:

These are specious arguments Apoppin- one situation has no relation to the other.

Why take the thread off topic re-fighting old battles?

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

the past repeats itself
:Q

learn from others' past mistakes

and the "artist formerly known as Rollo" is repeating his SAME tired old argument - in different times
:roll:

These are specious arguments Apoppin- one situation has no relation to the other.

Why take the thread off topic re-fighting old battles?

Glad you asked ... it is not the slightest bit off topic

i feel we are in an *identical* situation
-other than we are in a recession, of course

let's see how "specious" this appears:


in Nov '05 7800GTX-512MB - a card which you *recommended* - was released as a $600 ANSWER to $450 1800xt which just beat the the 7800GTX-256M
NOW we have GX2 - a card which you *recommend* - is released as a $650 ANSWER to $480 3870x2 which just beat the GTX-ultra.


In November 05, The 7800GTX-512MB - a card which you *recommended* was overpriced and fairly under-performing compared to nvidia own solution
NOW, the GX2 - a card which you *recommend* is overpriced and fairly under-performing compared to nvidia own solution



... and your recommendation regarding the 7800GTX/512M which appeared to be a "sales pitch" back then - unless i am forgetting something important - turned out to be a DISASTER for those who followed your advice
... perhaps i am missing something .. there seems to be somewhat of a parallel situation .. and my feelings of Deja Vu are rarely wrong.

 

[nRollo]

As fascinating as that false analogy is, personally I hope people will read the reviews after the card launches, evaluate their own needs and either buy it or not based on that.

It's really the only good way to purchase.