9th Annual Tax Thread - 2011

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DaWhim

Lifer
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After spending an hour or so on the phone with Scottrade.
The dividend paying company (SBRA) changed the status of the dividends to partial dividend/partial non-dividend distributions at the end of January.


As to the dividend payout.
Thanks for clearing that up.

Thank You



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This is normal for any REITs. a lot of ETFs (including REITs) will do this thing called "Income Reallocation" after the year end. the company can only determines what type of incomes were paid out during the prior year. sometimes, it works in your favor, sometimes, it doesn't.

SBRA pays out 81.6% as nonqualified div and the 19.4% as return of capital. you shouldn't pay taxes on the 19.4%
 

Xcobra

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Oct 19, 2004
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Question about Stock Options. Last year I had to exercise and sale (same day) my companies options. The income and taxes withheld are shown on my W2.

My question is about how to file. If I tell turbo tax I exercised and sold options wouldn't it then be adding additional income and taxes that are already accounted for on my W2. On the other hand, how would I document this for the govt without paying multiple times.

Thanks.

No need to worry about it. If you look at the payslip when you exercised the stock options, you will notice that it already been included in your W-2 and like you said, taxes were withheld. You shouldn't have to do anything. The only other thing might be that you may have a small capital loss (yes you sold it the same day but usually there is a small loss due to commissions). Your basis would be what was included in your W-2 and the proceeds would be what you sold it for less commissions. Just a thought.
 

MustISO

Lifer
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No need to worry about it. If you look at the payslip when you exercised the stock options, you will notice that it already been included in your W-2 and like you said, taxes were withheld. You shouldn't have to do anything. The only other thing might be that you may have a small capital loss (yes you sold it the same day but usually there is a small loss due to commissions). Your basis would be what was included in your W-2 and the proceeds would be what you sold it for less commissions. Just a thought.

Thank you. I found some information on the Intuit website after a few different searches. People mentioned something called SARS (Stock appreciation rights) and said to be sure the exercise is listed as NQSO which would not add it as additional income.
 

Xcobra

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Thank you. I found some information on the Intuit website after a few different searches. People mentioned something called SARS (Stock appreciation rights) and said to be sure the exercise is listed as NQSO which would not add it as additional income.

There are many types of stock option plans out there. From non-qualified, restricted stock units, SARS, restricted stock, ISOs, etc. Each gets treated differently for tax purposes.
 
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TechBoyJK

Lifer
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I live in Illinois (just across the miss river) and work in St. Louis.

I have to pay income tax to both states.

If my job started letting me work from home and that became my primary work location, would I still have to pay income tax in Missouri? My employer would be in Missouri, but I wouldn't be working in the state.
 

EagleKeeper

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I live in Illinois (just across the miss river) and work in St. Louis.

I have to pay income tax to both states.

If my job started letting me work from home and that became my primary work location, would I still have to pay income tax in Missouri? My employer would be in Missouri, but I wouldn't be working in the state.

State tax question; but if you do not have a physical location in MO; then you should not be paying MO taxes in anyway.
 

avash

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I usually use Turbotax online but I am having a very difficult time with trying to figure out how to input my K-1 schedules in.

I have no problem with the overall return (excluding the K-1's):
Married filing jointly. Full-time resident of Michigan.
Usual income stuff ; two W-2's (1 wife, 1 me), 1099-INT, etc.
Usual deductions ; charitable, mortgage interest and property tax
=> File Federal 1040 and MI state tax, easy.

Now, the complicated part:
Have two K-1's. Both are from KS, so I have a also file an additional KS state return as a nonresident. First is a final K-1 to conclude partnership A (sold), second is a K-1 for a partnership B (new)

I'm just having such a hard time with trying to figure out what goes where, how to handle the multiple states, etc.

Am wondering if I'm over-complicating things, or if I should abandon Turbotax and just go see a CPA / tax place to get it done for 2011. Any recommendations for a good and reasonably-priced CPA/tax place around zip 48114 / 48331.
 

Gunslinger08

Lifer
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I took the first time homebuyer tax credit in 2008, which was the year that recipients had to pay it back starting in 2010. Last year I received a card from the IRS with the amount to pay for 2010. This year I haven't received anything. Has repayment been voided or did they just forget?
 

s1175290

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I took the first time homebuyer tax credit in 2008, which was the year that recipients had to pay it back starting in 2010. Last year I received a card from the IRS with the amount to pay for 2010. This year I haven't received anything. Has repayment been voided or did they just forget?


The IRS is no longer sending reminder notices. If you want to double check, they have an online look-up tool for recipients of the FTHB credit:

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=252351,00.html
 

Pardus

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N.Y. threatens to penalize people who file returns on paper

Has anyone living in New York filled there taxes by mail.

According to the The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance .

Starting with tax year 2011, the New York Department of Taxation and Finance may impose a $25 penalty for individual (personal) New York State returns that are:

Prepared using tax software; AND
Are mailed instead of e-filed.

This new e-filing mandate applies to all 2011 New York individual returns that are prepared using any tax software program.

The penalty would not apply to mailed federal returns, nor to any other state returns (other than New York) that you choose to print and mail.

I find this insane, why am i being forced to give the IRS access to my bank account and mail my taxes electronically. Any anyone mailed there statements in NY and was not charged with the fee?

Edit
Spoke to someone at the Department of Taxation and Finance, if you use turbotax, and e-file with federal and state, there is no fee for new york residents to file the return, you can also request a check instead of direct deposit.
 
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Xcobra

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N.Y. threatens to penalize people who file returns on paper

Has anyone living in New York filled there taxes by mail.

According to the The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance .



I find this insane, why am i being forced to give the IRS access to my bank account and mail my taxes electronically. Any anyone mailed there statements in NY and was not charged with the fee?

The above doesn't make sense. What are you trying to get at? If you don't file electronically, you'll get a penalty that's all. However, I think NY is ridiculous, half the returns I have prepared have a foreign address which they DID NOT allow e-filing for in 2010.

Edit: It looks like they just want people who they "think" prepare the returns using a computer to e-file. So ridiculous.
 
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EagleKeeper

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NY is indicating that efiling is better for the state. If you have a computer to prepare your return, you are expected to efile. They are ignoring that the Tax SW rakes you with fees for state efiling.
 

TrueBlueLS

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I owed for my 2011 taxes because I forgot to set my federal exemption back to normal (received bonuses from work). I noticed in my TurboTax PDF file that there are coupons for 1040ES for 2012. If I have my deductions set back to normal through my employer, can I just ignore these since the IRS is receiving the money through my employer?
 

EagleKeeper

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I owed for my 2011 taxes because I forgot to set my federal exemption back to normal (received bonuses from work). I noticed in my TurboTax PDF file that there are coupons for 1040ES for 2012. If I have my deductions set back to normal through my employer, can I just ignore these since the IRS is receiving the money through my employer?

IRS has no way of knowing that you are paying extra as payment for the 2011 bills.

Setting deductions back to normal is also now just breaking even for 2012 - not really paying for 2011.

You are better off making the extra payments directly to the IRS once a month or quarter on your own.

However, if you received bonus from work; then the bonus should have been taxed at a higher rate and have no impact on your overall tax structure (if anything, you overpaid).

Or had you tweaked your deductions for the year and did not put aside the $$ to cover it?
 
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Linflas

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Situation:
Brothers and I inherited a house in 1994 when my father died but the way the will was written we owned it but our mother could use it until her death if so desired. She rented it out but decided to turn it over to us in June 2011. I collected 3 months rent before the tenant moved out. It remained empty and unused for the remainder of the year.

Would it be better to just claim the entire rental income on my mothers return for 2011 and start fresh this year with it on our returns or is it possible to split it between the 2 returns? Is the basis I use the same basis my mother has been using or does it reset? Nothing has been done deed/government wise with the house, it is still listed "Mothers name" & ETAL CO-TRUSTEES.
 

EagleKeeper

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Situation:
Brothers and I inherited a house in 1994 when my father died but the way the will was written we owned it but our mother could use it until her death if so desired. She rented it out but decided to turn it over to us in June 2011. I collected 3 months rent before the tenant moved out. It remained empty and unused for the remainder of the year.

Would it be better to just claim the entire rental income on my mothers return for 2011 and start fresh this year with it on our returns or is it possible to split it between the 2 returns? Is the basis I use the same basis my mother has been using or does it reset? Nothing has been done deed/government wise with the house, it is still listed "Mothers name" & ETAL CO-TRUSTEES.

You can split it rent among two returns;

It would be best to have the income go against the expenses for the Schedule E.

Then apply the Schedule E to which ever taxpayer it will benefit.
 

TrueBlueLS

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IRS has no way of knowing that you are paying extra as payment for the 2011 bills.

Setting deductions back to normal is also now just breaking even for 2012 - not really paying for 2011.

You are better off making the extra payments directly to the IRS once a month or quarter on your own.

However, if you received bonus from work; then the bonus should have been taxed at a higher rate and have no impact on your overall tax structure (if anything, you overpaid).

Or had you tweaked your deductions for the year and did not put aside the $$ to cover it?

For 2011 I had forgotten to set back my W4 to 0. So I severely underpaid what my taxes were supposed to be. So I have to cut a check for $1,700 to the IRS, which I'm mailing out this week, to pay for 2011. I'm just going to leave my W4 at 0 from now on so I'm not screwing myself come tax time from now on.
 

paulney

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Last question for the year, I swear

If we paid estimated taxes through the year out of partnership funds (mostly for convenience reasons), can we deduct these payments from the partnership income?

Thanks.
 

Xcobra

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For 2011 I had forgotten to set back my W4 to 0. So I severely underpaid what my taxes were supposed to be. So I have to cut a check for $1,700 to the IRS, which I'm mailing out this week, to pay for 2011. I'm just going to leave my W4 at 0 from now on so I'm not screwing myself come tax time from now on.

Well it really depends on what your marginal rate is. Your employer are required to withhold 25% (for Federal purposes) of tax for bonuses (most of the time). If your marginal rate is 35%, you will always have that 10% shortfall every year. In which case, you'd have to pay estimated taxes every year to cover that. The W-4 withholding usually applies to you regular salary, etc.
 

Xcobra

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Last question for the year, I swear

If we paid estimated taxes through the year out of partnership funds (mostly for convenience reasons), can we deduct these payments from the partnership income?

Thanks.

Don't quote me on this but I think you can (for book purposes). Reason being is that for tax purposes, I have seen partnerships adding back any expenses relating to Fed taxes when you do the book vs tax recon. But on your 1040, they will not be deductible. Any clues Eagle?
 
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EagleKeeper

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Don't quote me on this but I think you can (for book purposes). Reason being is that for tax purposes, I have seen partnerships adding back any expenses relating to Fed taxes when you do the book vs tax recon. But on your 1040, they will not be deductible. Any clues Eagle?

On the books, taxes paid reduce the overall income for profit distribution.


How is that for waffling :biggrin:
 

IHAVEAQUESTION

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Hi all,

I just found out that I haven't filed for my 2008 tax return. Back then, I was a student with no income (allowance from parents). However, my parents couldn't claim me as a dependent due to my age. I used the allowance to pay for tuition and living expenses. Will I be eligible for any tax refund? Or perhaps I need to pay taxes?

I was a resident alien at that time.
 

EagleKeeper

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Hi all,

I just found out that I haven't filed for my 2008 tax return. Back then, I was a student with no income (allowance from parents). However, my parents couldn't claim me as a dependent due to my age. I used the allowance to pay for tuition and living expenses. Will I be eligible for any tax refund? Or perhaps I need to pay taxes?

I was a resident alien at that time.

A dependent that pays no taxes should not plan, expect or get a refund.
 
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