9to5 Google claims this is the Nexus 6/X.

[lopri]

@Dari: What you are saying with regard to Sony's and LG's practices seem to back up my position, not yours?

Unless you have some insider information that I do not know about, your contention has no merit. By insider information, I mean something like these:

1. Samsung has undue influence on Google/Motorola or is holding Google/Motorola by the throat and Google/Motorola has to follow Samsung's commands.
2. Samsung holds monopoly on all smartphone displays and Google/Motorola have no realistic alternative. (ala x86 and Intel)
3. Samsung promised to deliver the same AMOLED panel used for the Note 4 to Motorola but cheated/failed at the last minute, leaving Google/Motorola with no choice but to go with the Panels that are currently shipping with the Nexus 6.
4. Etc.

Circumstantial evidence points to the opposite. If the Nexus 6 had every specs maxed out and only its display is the problem, then maybe that will help your case. But that is not the case from what I have seen so far. And Motorola debuted their latest flagship (Droid Turbo) right before the Nexus 6 launch. And guess what? That phone happens to have capacitive buttons instead of on-screen navigation button, just like the Note 4. It suggests that Motorola knew what they were going to produce with the Nexus 6.

 

[Dari]

@Dari: What you are saying with regard to Sony's and LG's practices seem to back up my position, not yours?

Unless you have some insider information that I do not know about, your contention has no merit. By insider information, I mean something like these:

1. Samsung has undue influence on Google/Motorola or is holding Google/Motorola by the throat and Google/Motorola has to follow Samsung's commands.
2. Samsung holds monopoly on all smartphone displays and Google/Motorola have no realistic alternative. (ala x86 and Intel)
3. Samsung promised to deliver the same AMOLED panel used for the Note 4 to Motorola but cheated/failed at the last minute, leaving Google/Motorola with no choice but to go with the Panels that are currently shipping with the Nexus 6.
4. Etc.

Circumstantial evidence points to the opposite. If the Nexus 6 had every specs maxed out and only its display is the problem, then maybe that will help your case. But that is not the case from what I have seen so far. And Motorola debuted their latest flagship (Droid Turbo) right before the Nexus 6 launch. And guess what? That phone happens to have capacitive buttons instead of on-screen navigation button, just like the Note 4. It suggests that Motorola knew what they were going to produce with the Nexus 6.

Not sure how it backs up your point. I'm merely saying that you have two AMOLED screens from the same manufacturer with the same resolution and similar screen size. One has image retention and the other does not. One thing we can conclude is that the two screens are not of the same quality. The points I made wrt SONY and LG, the products they put in their partner's products are different than what they put in their own so it's not the same as the Nexus/Note 4 scenerio. Now, if Motorola/Google knew this going in and still decided to charge $700, then the real losers are their customers. If they didn't then they should not do business with Samsung again or force them to take back their garbage AMOLED screens, or both.

 

[lopri]

And I am saying that it is not Samsung that decided to make Nexus 6 and use its AMOLED for it. You are trying to make it look as if motorola and/or Google are victims of Samsung, along with customers. I am saying Samsung has nothing to do with this unless you know something that I do not know. (see the post above yours)

I personally do not even know the Nexus 6's screen is made by Samsung for sure. I just assume that is the case, which is an educated guess. Motorola has been making all its top-tier phones using AMOLED screens for two years now. If they did not know what they were getting from ODMs and how to use it, then that would indeed be quite a big problem (for Motorola). But I do not think that is the case. Motorola's engineers should know much more about its products - at least better than Erika Griffin, you, and me.

Nexus 4/5 had wishy-washy cameras at best. The villain was not Sony who provided the camera lenses. Nexus 7 had shitty NANDs that degraded over time. I do not even know who made those. But the blame is squarely laid on Google (and to a lesser extent on ASUS). Likewise, Samsung is not a villain in this saga as you try to make it out to be. I do not share or sympathize with your hostility. Especially when there are other excellent AMOLED products in the market.

If Google really wanted to make the Nexus 6 to be truly "premium" as it said in damage-control mode when people initially complained about the $650 price tag, Google had a lot of ways of achieving it. Heck, do you think Samsung would have said no to Google if Google paid enough money for the latest AMOLED screens? (Remember Samsung makes a lot of stuff for Apple) Or it could even have invested in some startup company like Apple did with its sapphire glass. Nexus phones' audience is much smaller than iPhones', and it would not have run into supply issues. Not saying that Google should have done the same thing, but I am pointing out that Google was not forced by anyone or anything. For all I know Google could have skipped Nexus 6 altogether.

Again, unless you can share something that I do not know.

 

[dawheat]

Not sure how it backs up your point. I'm merely saying that you have two AMOLED screens from the same manufacturer with the same resolution and similar screen size. One has image retention and the other does not. One thing we can conclude is that the two screens are not of the same quality. The points I made wrt SONY and LG, the products they put in their partner's products are different than what they put in their own so it's not the same as the Nexus/Note 4 scenerio. Now, if Motorola/Google knew this going in and still decided to charge $700, then the real losers are their customers. If they didn't then they should not do business with Samsung again or force them to take back their garbage AMOLED screens, or both.

I think it's obvious that it's not the same screen as the Note 4 and it's likely that it's based on a previous generation.

However, I don't recall the S4 or Note 3 having burn-in issues outside of extreme use cases. I certainly don't have any on my work S4 nor did I have it in the year I owned the Note 3.

This certainly deserves more investigation, but your desire to blame Samsung clouds all of your comments. It must burn that the Note 4 has the best display around.

 

[kpkp]

Motorola always had older/worse Samsung displays than what's in the last Samsung flagships.
The brightness levels and efficiency are so different that only an idiot would think they are exactly the same. They knew what they were buying, they always bought "second class" AMOLEDs from Samsung and nobody complained enough apparently.

Motorola decided AMOLEDs are the way to go and now they will have to deal with the consequences.

 

[Dari]

And I am saying that it is not Samsung that decided to make Nexus 6 and use its AMOLED for it. You are trying to make it look as if motorola and/or Google are victims of Samsung, along with customers. I am saying Samsung has nothing to do with this unless you know something that I do not know. (see the post above yours)

I personally do not even know the Nexus 6's screen is made by Samsung for sure. I just assume that is the case, which is an educated guess. Motorola has been making all its top-tier phones using AMOLED screens for two years now. If they did not know what they were getting from ODMs and how to use it, then that would indeed be quite a big problem (for Motorola). But I do not think that is the case. Motorola's engineers should know much more about its products - at least better than Erika Griffin, you, and me.

Nexus 4/5 had wishy-washy cameras at best. The villain was not Sony who provided the camera lenses. Nexus 7 had shitty NANDs that degraded over time. I do not even know who made those. But the blame is squarely laid on Google (and to a lesser extent on ASUS). Likewise, Samsung is not a villain in this saga as you try to make it out to be. I do not share or sympathize with your hostility. Especially when there are other excellent AMOLED products in the market.

If Google really wanted to make the Nexus 6 to be truly "premium" as it said in damage-control mode when people initially complained about the $650 price tag, Google had a lot of ways of achieving it. Heck, do you think Samsung would have said no to Google if Google paid enough money for the latest AMOLED screens? (Remember Samsung makes a lot of stuff for Apple) Or it could even have invested in some startup company like Apple did with its sapphire glass. Nexus phones' audience is much smaller than iPhones', and it would not have run into supply issues. Not saying that Google should have done the same thing, but I am pointing out that Google was not forced by anyone or anything. For all I know Google could have skipped Nexus 6 altogether.

Again, unless you can share something that I do not know.

Something like nand is definitely the ODM's fault because they provide a complete package (hardware and software). Something like a camera is the OEM's fault because the software is done by the OEM. Something like AMOLED should lay at the foot of the ODM because image retention is not something that can be screwed up via software. And, yes, you are right. Motorola has been doing AMOLEDs for years now. They should know better. Then again, Motorola has been losing money for years as well so the blame is most likely theirs. Hence, the loser here is the buyer of the Nexus 6.

 

[Wingznut]

Or maybe... Just possibly... That it's not really an issue at all. But since this is a new device, the scrutiny is at insane levels, and people in social media are looking as hard as they can to find something to get hits on their YouTube page.

 

[lopri]

Yah I think so. I think some folks received defective units, and of course they are (rightfully) vocal about their grievance. Unless proven otherwise that's what I think. Sorry if I was making mountain out of molehill.

 

[sze5003]

I feel bad for anyone that received a defective unit seeing how there is little to no stock for even replacments. After waiting a month for mine to ship if I have to rma it, I would probably return it and just get another phone since I doubt there would be any stock for replacing a defective unit now. I'll keep my m7 once my nexus 6 arrives until I check everything out.

 

[kpkp]

I am not sure I would subscribe under the no issue theory, just take a look at the XDA poll.

 

[Wingznut]

Pulled from XDA... This is what they are complaining about:

 

[kpkp]

Some people can't or refuse to see it, but it's clearly there:

 

[Wingznut]

Some people can't or refuse to see it, but it's clearly there:

What's up with the edited photo?

 

[sze5003]

I can barely make the O out in the edited photo. Amoled screens are known to have this but the question is why so soon. If it had happened after a couple months yea. Also, I wonder if it could get worse. Either way that would be an rma if it got worse. If it wasn't for the highlight I would not have noticed. It's not like the one plus one yellow band.

 

[Wingznut]

Amoled screens are known to have this but the question is why so soon.

That's what's so difficult about discerning these types of things based on message boards and a YouTube video... Is this is a real issue, or sensationalized.

That screenshot, was it taken after the phone was left on at full brightness for many hours, and then immediately captured?
Is it due to faulty displays, and within typical defect ranges?
It it much more significant, and truly a serious problem?

All I can say for sure, is that my and my wife's Nexus 6's, with our normal usage, shows no image retention whatsoever.

 

[sze5003]

That's what's so difficult about discerning these types of things based on message boards and a YouTube video... Is this is a real issue, or sensationalized.

That screenshot, was it taken after the phone was left on at full brightness for many hours, and then immediately captured?
Is it due to faulty displays, and within typical defect ranges?
It it much more significant, and truly a serious problem?

All I can say for sure, is that my and my wife's Nexus 6's, with our normal usage, shows no image retention whatsoever.

If it is an actual issue it would be worse. You would see more burn in. I know a person who watches so much investigation discovery that the logo is burned into the right corner of their plasma. You can see it on any background.

 

[kpkp]

What's up with the edited photo?

Just a negative of the original, it's easier to see for some (depending on your eyes and display).

That's what's so difficult about discerning these types of things based on message boards and a YouTube video... Is this is a real issue, or sensationalized.

That screenshot, was it taken after the phone was left on at full brightness for many hours, and then immediately captured?
....

Why you keep calling it image retention?
AMOLEDs aren't know to have image retention issues, do you know about any articles demonstrating it?
Burn-in gets worse with time, image retention get's fixed after some time, when different content is shown.
Brightness does not affect image retention.

 

[Wingznut]

Just a negative of the original, it's easier to see for some (depending on your eyes and display).

Mmm-kay...

Why you keep calling it image retention?

That's what you took away from my comment? Fine, I'll bite.

"Image retention" is just a broader term. It means the image stays after it was supposed to not stay.

Technically, it's not "burn-in" because there's nothing to burn... It's not a CRT.

But count me out of any further semantics argument. Whatever term is used, we all know what we're referring to.

 

[Sheep]

Some people can't or refuse to see it, but it's clearly there:

I can't see ANYTHING out of place in those photos. I assume I should be looking at the circles and squares?

I've seen a notification bar burned-in on an old Galaxy Nexus and that was obvious and permanent.

 

[kpkp]

Technically, it's not "burn-in" because there's nothing to burn... It's not a CRT.

But count me out of any further semantics argument. Whatever term is used, we all know what we're referring to.

Actually in AMOLEDs the sub pixels burn out and get less bright over time and that's what you see. Specially blue sub-pixels are known to have issues with that. It's not semantics, I tried to explain the difference more then once already. But is ok, use what you want is a free forum.

I can't see ANYTHING out of place in those photos. I assume I should be looking at the circles and squares?

I've seen a notification bar burned-in on an old Galaxy Nexus and that was obvious and permanent.

Good for you, I guess....
That's after 10 days of use, it will get worse.

 

[sze5003]

Doesn't necessarily mean every one of them will have it. Some people do not have this burn in. That's why there is warranty too.

 

[Sheep]

Good for you, I guess....
That's after 10 days of use, it will get worse.

I couldn't see it on my monitor running at regular brightness, but finally noticed the retention after cranking up my phone's brightness to the max and viewing the images. I'd definitely be pissed if that happened to my phone after such a short time--I wasn't happy when I noticed it on my Galaxy Nexus after over a year of use. To me, deeper blacks aren't worth that tradeoff.

 

[sze5003]

Mine came in today. Will post some pics later tonite.

 

[tuan209]

Just got my 64gb white N6!

First off, the phone is freaking huge. I have rather large hand in that I can easily palm a basketball and I think this is my limit LOL. I can still type one handed but no way can I reach the very top of the phone one handed. Too my surprise the phone doesnt feel that heavy in hand or in the pocket.

I got the white version and this thing is SLIPPERY. You will need some kind of case for sure and this may be a deal breaker for me. I hate phone cases and have never had one on any of my phones. I may try to get the most minimalist and thinnest case I can find and see how I like that.

Screen and front facing speakers are AWESOME. I coming from a Moto X (2013) and that phone has a pretty good speaker, but man the speakers on the N6 are awesome. Ill say about as good as my old HTC One M7. The screen is fine but I have never been picky about phone screens unless it totally sucked.

The main reason I decided to buy the N6 was because of the camera. I wanted something better to take photos and videos while snowboarding and this camera may do the trick. The OG Moto X's camera sucks. My initial impression so far of the camera is pretty impressive. I really wished they would have used this camera on the Moto X 2014. I would have picked the Moto X over the N6 easily.

Those are my initial impressions so far. Cant really say anything about battery yet, but it should be plenty good enough for me. I am not a heavy phone users by any means. My OG Moto X lasted me a day easily.

 

[Radeon962]

Just got my 64gb white N6!

First off, the phone is freaking huge. I have rather large hand in that I can easily palm a basketball and I think this is my limit LOL. I can still type one handed but no way can I reach the very top of the phone one handed. Too my surprise the phone doesnt feel that heavy in hand or in the pocket.

I got the white version and this thing is SLIPPERY. You will need some kind of case for sure and this may be a deal breaker for me. I hate phone cases and have never had one on any of my phones. I may try to get the most minimalist and thinnest case I can find and see how I like that.

Screen and front facing speakers are AWESOME. I coming from a Moto X (2013) and that phone has a pretty good speaker, but man the speakers on the N6 are awesome. Ill say about as good as my old HTC One M7. The screen is fine and but I have never been picky about phone screens unless it totally sucked.

The main reason I decided to buy the N6 was because of the camera. I wanted something better to take photos and videos while snowboarding and this camera may do the trick. The OG Moto X's camera sucks. My initial impression so far of the camera is pretty impressive. I really wished they would have used this camera on the Moto X 2014. I would have picked the Moto X over the N6 easily.

Those are my initial impressions so far. Cant really say anything about battery yet, but it should be plenty good enough for me. I am not a heavy phone users by any means. My OG Moto X lasted me a day easily.

Buy a skin for the back. I hate cases as well and have a Spigen Ulta Fit and even that adds some extra width which I did not care for. The skin adds some grip to the phone as well but does not screw up the excellent feel in hand.