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shortylickens

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Im still irritated about the timing.

The movie didnt NEED to occur 2 minutes before A New Hope. It could have been months or years. Seemed unnecessary.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Im still irritated about the timing.

The movie didnt NEED to occur 2 minutes before A New Hope. It could have been months or years. Seemed unnecessary.

Oh certainly. I do feel that being on the nose was totally unnecessary. "Years before" doesn't make a lot of sense, though, but your point stands.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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The only way I can explain this is that the rebel fleet was not assigned to this mission, and so was never supposed to be engaged, anyway--it was only re-routed/deployed when Mon Mothma got the intel that there was an operation going on. She sent the fleet as support because she knew what was happening and how important this was, even though the mission was not sponsored.

I think it's possible that Leia's ship was docked in the flagship, to be escorted (at the appropriate location/time?) to where Jimmy Smitz/Leia originally planned, but was simply caught in the mission, unexpectedly.

Now, I think it's a bit of a stretch to make that work, but I do think it works, and I'm fine with it because I don't care. Maybe we get some deleted scenes that work it out a bit more subtly?
True. This is the same cinematic universe where a narrative set up as a love triangle became incestuous one movie later, where being the best star pilot in the galaxy translates to pod racing and where seduction to the dark side ended up being nothing more than millennial rage.

I was hoping Rogue One would be more Dirty Dozen or Where Eagles Dare than OT membreberries. The first act was a great setup, the second act was largely distracting (all your important characters are conveniently hanging out on the landing platform in the rain) and the third act just didn't line up for me as an immediate prequel to ANH.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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True. This is the same cinematic universe where a narrative set up as a love triangle became incestuous one movie later, where being the best star pilot in the galaxy translates to pod racing and where seduction to the dark side ended up being nothing more than millennial rage.

I was hoping Rogue One would be more Dirty Dozen or Where Eagles Dare than OT membreberries. The first act was a great setup, the second act was largely distracting (all your important characters are conveniently hanging out on the landing platform in the rain) and the third act just didn't line up for me as an immediate prequel to ANH.

the best part I thought, really, was Darth Vader showing up and tearing ass through everything, as we were always told was something he was good at. Until this movie, the only visuals we ever got of bad-ass Vader was of a petulant little bitch slicing up some weak children. The stupid joke aside, this was the best Vader yet, imo. But I also think they could have adjusted the timbre in the voice because JE Jones sounds way too old. It's weird that they didn't fiddle with the voice, considering the $$$$ spent on tapping our uncanny valley sensitivities with some creepy cartoon characters that totally did not work. (I was way too busy being creeped out by Tarkin's side-speaking and videogame zombie shuffle to pay attention to anything he was saying.)

TO address something earlier re: How can the rebel fleet hold off a couple of Star Destroyers and then get decimated as soon as a single Star Destroyer with Vader shows up? Well, that's because Vader and long-standing Star Wars mumbo jumbo that you (the audience) should be long-conditioned to accept by now. A Star Destroyer (or fleet, for that matter) commanded by an unnamed "chokable" Captain is nothing like a Star Destroyer commanded by a Sith Lord, or Jedi for that matter. Those dudes' powers stretch beyond the things immediately in their presence and they are able to turn the tide of battles simply through their machinations with the Force.

If Vader is the supreme badass he is supposed to be, then considering various other powers of other sith lords, Vader would have the power to crush any number of small fighters, and even life-support/fuel systems of large frigates or whatever, simply by willing it. To me, there is nothing odd about Vader's Star Destroyer showing up and single-handedly decimating a fleet. That's pretty much why the rebels are constantly in hiding at that point and very much unwilling to commit a large contingent to such a mission, much less their entire fleet. The chance that Vader would show up is just too high.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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As much as I want to see more stuff like that ^, it's almost at the point where the terror of what Darth Vader is/was is good enough. Like Jaws or any real horror movie--the best villains are the ones you don't even have to see.

Unfortunately, stuff like that^ was ruined by those bastard pre-sequels. Darth Vader is pretty much a bitch at this point, though Rogue One helped to bring him back a little (honestly, this movie needed way more Vader and way less videogame Tarkin). I'm not sure how I feel about these off-stories or filling in gaps that really don't need to be filled, but part of me would not be adverse to a film between ANH and Empire (sacrilege, I know. and I know there were books back when the trilogy was fresh, but--books. so what), that focuses only on Vader's mad pursuit of Luke and just murdering everything in the way. ...something like that probably wouldn't happen because Disney as it could never be as dark as it deserves to be, but it would be epic to see more Vader and Emperor being badasses going nuts trying to snuff out the last known force sensitive/Jedi.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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the best part I thought, really, was Darth Vader showing up and tearing ass through everything, as we were always told was something he was good at. Until this movie, the only visuals we ever got of bad-ass Vader was of a petulant little bitch slicing up some weak children. The stupid joke aside, this was the best Vader yet, imo. But I also think they could have adjusted the timbre in the voice because JE Jones sounds way too old. It's weird that they didn't fiddle with the voice, considering the $$$$ spent on tapping our uncanny valley sensitivities with some creepy cartoon characters that totally did not work. (I was way too busy being creeped out by Tarkin's side-speaking and videogame zombie shuffle to pay attention to anything he was saying.)

TO address something earlier re: How can the rebel fleet hold off a couple of Star Destroyers and then get decimated as soon as a single Star Destroyer with Vader shows up? Well, that's because Vader and long-standing Star Wars mumbo jumbo that you (the audience) should be long-conditioned to accept by now. A Star Destroyer (or fleet, for that matter) commanded by an unnamed "chokable" Captain is nothing like a Star Destroyer commanded by a Sith Lord, or Jedi for that matter. Those dudes' powers stretch beyond the things immediately in their presence and they are able to turn the tide of battles simply through their machinations with the Force.

If Vader is the supreme badass he is supposed to be, then considering various other powers of other sith lords, Vader would have the power to crush any number of small fighters, and even life-support/fuel systems of large frigates or whatever, simply by willing it. To me, there is nothing odd about Vader's Star Destroyer showing up and single-handedly decimating a fleet. That's pretty much why the rebels are constantly in hiding at that point and very much unwilling to commit a large contingent to such a mission, much less their entire fleet. The chance that Vader would show up is just too high.
ESB Vader will always be the definitive Vader. Lucas screwed it all up when he made the Jedi into Cirque de Soleil kung fu fighters.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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ESB Vader will always be the definitive Vader. Lucas screwed it all up when he made the Jedi into Cirque de Soleil kung fu fighters.

agreed with that, pretty much what I was mentioning in the most recent post--the terror he invokes in others, and the perfect characterization of that in Empire, is enough for anyone to accept he's a badass. No one needs to see Vader carving up armies and Jedis at that point, because we already get it. Still, it would be kinda cool...

Then came the bullshit, and Vader is now officially nothing more than a whiny killer of wee children. Rather than spending a movie or two--as they should have--showing Vader murder the galaxy, we get a whiny bitch that suddenly, for no honest reason, throws an angtsy teenage tantrum--basically, he doesn't get shotgun in the speeder and so decides to be a sith.

I kinda feel like we now need to see Vader be a badass to remind us that he is a badass. I don't want to see flippy kungfu CGI bullshit--just Vader only ever walking forward, carving through bitches with this lightszaber, choking them, tossing them into other bitches, exploding their heads, dropping houses and spaceships on them and shit.
 

Bubbleawsome

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If we ever got a Darth Vader movie I want him in his early days, soon after episode 3. That would be him as the emperors right hand man hunting down the last of the jedi and exterminating the independent forces. It would be him at his height, part of what made the Empire feared.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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Rise of Darth Vader would be entertaining in movie form. Certainly more so than a Han Solo movie. Honestly I'd be content with a Darth Plagueis movie with Palpatine in his earlier days. Show him seeing the corruption of the Senate and the complacency of the Jedi to do anything about it. Cast the political corruption at the heart of the Senate as the plague and the new Sith as the cure. I would much rather see that than a movie explaining everything about Han Solo. Better to leave him as someone who didn't make a difference until OB1 happened upon him in a Cantina.
 

Bubbleawsome

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Not directly movie related, but Carrie Fisher died today in the hospital after her heart attack.
 

Balt

Lifer
Mar 12, 2000
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I liked it, though I'm not sure if it will ultimately be memorable.

It was a bit cheesy at parts (Ip Man's suicide walk to flip the master switch was over the top), and a bit heavy on mentions of the force, the force be with you, etc. In my mind, based on the lines from A New Hope, I also never really imagined the stealing of the Death Star plans as a huge operation like it was in this movie. I always thought of it as more of a covert op, rather than a covert op mixed with a huge ass battle. But meh, I guess that probably wouldn't be as flashy or sell as many tickets.

Overall, though, I thought it was good. After hearing about the re-filming, I was worried that they were going to have a candy-ass 'everyone lives happily ever after' ending, but clearly that wasn't the case.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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How tragic that the one character to live in the movie would be the actress to die in RL.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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@zinfamous I agree about these "fill in" movies not being wanted/needed. This one I don't mind TOO much and it certainly delivered what I hoped.
If you're anything like me though, you're going to HATE the Han Solo movie. Ugh.... why? WHY are they doing that?!?!
 
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I dug the movie. K2SO was awesome. I thought Jyn was an interesting character and they put a bit of dirt on the rebels with Cassian not being a total goody do'er. I actually liked the way they tied in to "A New Hope" and it all felt pretty cohesive to me. It really added the total choas that was the rag tag operative. I don't overthink movies and just tend to eat what was plated in front of me. I got 2 hours of very well produced Star Wars universe with the last 30 minutes being some of the most fun screen time given to a Star Wars movie yet. I look forward to the home release and will be a day one buy for me.
 
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zinfamous

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@zinfamous I agree about these "fill in" movies not being wanted/needed. This one I don't mind TOO much and it certainly delivered what I hoped.
If you're anything like me though, you're going to HATE the Han Solo movie. Ugh.... why? WHY are they doing that?!?!

I have no interest in a Han Solo movie. I wish it never existed. I wish Harrison Ford had some control over that character, because he would have certainly killed that project long ago. I can't imagine how useless and shitty the inevitable Bobba Fett movie is going to be. Blagh!
 

Homerboy

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Mar 1, 2000
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I have no interest in a Han Solo movie. I wish it never existed. I wish Harrison Ford had some control over that character, because he would have certainly killed that project long ago. I can't imagine how useless and shitty the inevitable Bobba Fett movie is going to be. Blagh!

Exactly. The whole thing that makes Han "Han" is that he's mysterious and we KNOW there's some backstory, but we don't know what it is. I'd think every woman would say that a man of mystery is way more "sexy" than one you know everything about.

PS: They aren't doing a Boba Fett movie. Think that was scrapped.
 

Sonikku

Lifer
Jun 23, 2005
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I'm not sure I'd want a Boba Fett movie, though I would certainly prefer one to a Han Solo movie.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Exactly. The whole thing that makes Han "Han" is that he's mysterious and we KNOW there's some backstory, but we don't know what it is. I'd think every woman would say that a man of mystery is way more "sexy" than one you know everything about.

PS: They aren't doing a Boba Fett movie. Think that was scrapped.

Thank God. Hopefully we can get a Jabba and Salacious B Crumb movie: BFFs! In where we learn S B Crumb drove a wedge between Jabba and Bib Fortuna, forever damaging their long-developing bromance.

Han is going to be made out to be a "complicated good guy" who did some awful things but was already pretty good in the end. Do not want.
 
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Boba Fett movie has a lot more potential, but it would have to be *A LOT* darker and more violent to do it justice. There's just a lot more stuff they can do with the whole bounty hunter and origin side of thing than they can with a Han Movie. I don't think Disney wants to go down that path. They can't win. It's either going to be too light for the hard core or too heavy for the masses.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
Mar 1, 2000
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Boba Fett movie has a lot more potential, but it would have to be *A LOT* darker and more violent to do it justice. There's just a lot more stuff they can do with the whole bounty hunter and origin side of thing than they can with a Han Movie. I don't think Disney wants to go down that path. They can't win. It's either going to be too light for the hard core or too heavy for the masses.

Totally agree with this, and they'd have a chance to redeem Boba from the whinny little bitch that Lucas made him in the prequels. That being said, I still don't want.
What they should do (and likely will at some point) is go back in time -- WAY back in time to when the Sith rose to power and battled it out with the Jedi. No known characters at all to fuck up and entirely blank slate of trying to make everyone happy.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
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Fuck the masses! Could swallow a heavy Boba Fett movie more easily than a Han Solo movie.

The problem with the Han Solo movie is Harrison Ford IS Han Solo. You can't do Solo without Ford unless you go WAY younger. And he was pretty young when we met him in EP4 already.
 
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