Yes, there is still a ton of depth in the "Old Republic" and real development of Star Wars lore.
Totally agree with this, and they'd have a chance to redeem Boba from the whinny little bitch that Lucas made him in the prequels. That being said, I still don't want.
What they should do (and likely will at some point) is go back in time -- WAY back in time to when the Sith rose to power and battled it out with the Jedi. No known characters at all to fuck up and entirely blank slate of trying to make everyone happy.
Finally saw it... Eh, I'm torn. The movie itself was good enough and most of it was well done, but there's a lot of little things that stuck with me. Don't know why, I didn't have that issue with TFA and there was plenty to pick apart there too.
Anyway, did anybody else felt it odd that there was a star destroyer just hanging out so close to a planet surface? I know this is more science fantasy than science fiction, but how does the thing just hover there without plummeting into the planet? It's huge, and floating around space at least makes a little sense, but that close to the planet just felt off.
I remember in Empire that they couldn't take down the AT-AT with ship blasters, so they had to use the cable trip thing in a very memorable scene. I didn't want them to do the same thing, but they seemed to go down pretty damn easy just with normal Xwing blasters. Maybe they beefed them up in between here and Empire.
They mentioned something about the clone wars in a scene which I found odd. I thought they were ignoring episodes 1-3 for these new movies? Maybe they'll have pod racing in the Han Solo movie.
I didn't like the way they set up the "vulnerability" in the death star to be something that was put there on purpose by a disgruntled worker. Why not design it so the whole thing blows up when they use it then? From the original trilogy I had it in my mind that the rebels discovered the vulnerability on their own, and that somebody had to study the plans to come across this thing. Seems to cheapen the whole experience knowing the bullseye was put there by the creator and given to the rebels.
I agree with all said here but would like to add that the walker was actually an AT-ACT. First I had seen a tweet from someone in Lucusflims that it wasn't technically an AT-AT. Then I found this explaining what an AT-ACT is.We never have the technology explained, and it is new in the Star Wars universe but I don't see it as out of place. If you want to look at it from the point of physics, the gravitational pull of a planet is not so different near the surface as it is from the orbital distances where we always see Star Destroyers. And I've never assumed them to be "orbitting" the way a satellite does, flying at 25,000 miles an hour. More like they're just "sitting" near a planet however they need to.
The land speeders in Empire were not as powerful as X-wings, they didn't go into space let alone have hyperdrive capability. I assume the X-wing would have much more powerful weapons as well. Why didn't they just use X-wings in Empire, then? Easy, they wanted to sell land speeder toys.
The clone wars are mentioned in the very beginning of Ep 4 when Luke meets Ben Kenobi. He asks Ben if he fought in the clone wars.
Man, that's the whole plot of the movie and the reason it is awesome! As Le Chiffre explains, he designed a vulnerability that no one on the Empire would be able to find. We assume that if he put in something that would destroy it the first time it was used, it would have been found by the thousands of other people working on it.
The clone wars are mentioned in the very beginning of Ep 4 when Luke meets Ben Kenobi. He asks Ben if he fought in the clone wars.
Man, that's the whole plot of the movie and the reason it is awesome! As Le Chiffre explains, he designed a vulnerability that no one on the Empire would be able to find. We assume that if he put in something that would destroy it the first time it was used, it would have been found by the thousands of other people working on it.
Anyway, did anybody else felt it odd that there was a star destroyer just hanging out so close to a planet surface? I know this is more science fantasy than science fiction, but how does the thing just hover there without plummeting into the planet? It's huge, and floating around space at least makes a little sense, but that close to the planet just felt off.
Oddly enough, that is a problem I have always had with TESB. Why did the landspeeders have harpoons,Finally saw it... Eh, I'm torn. The movie itself was good enough and most of it was well done, but there's a lot of little things that stuck with me. Don't know why, I didn't have that issue with TFA and there was plenty to pick apart there too.
Anyway, did anybody else felt it odd that there was a star destroyer just hanging out so close to a planet surface? I know this is more science fantasy than science fiction, but how does the thing just hover there without plummeting into the planet? It's huge, and floating around space at least makes a little sense, but that close to the planet just felt off.
I remember in Empire that they couldn't take down the AT-AT with ship blasters, so they had to use the cable trip thing in a very memorable scene. I didn't want them to do the same thing, but they seemed to go down pretty damn easy just with normal Xwing blasters. Maybe they beefed them up in between here and Empire.
I may be misremembering, but I don't remember anybody really talking about the force until Luke spent time with Obi Wan and then joined in with the Rebellion. In this movie all the rebels are already saying "may the force be with you", so I guess it isn't really the rare forgotten power that the original trilogy built it up to be.
They mentioned something about the clone wars in a scene which I found odd. I thought they were ignoring episodes 1-3 for these new movies? Maybe they'll have pod racing in the Han Solo movie.
I didn't like the way they set up the "vulnerability" in the death star to be something that was put there on purpose by a disgruntled worker. Why not design it so the whole thing blows up when they use it then? From the original trilogy I had it in my mind that the rebels discovered the vulnerability on their own, and that somebody had to study the plans to come across this thing. Seems to cheapen the whole experience knowing the bullseye was put there by the creator and given to the rebels.
Maybe it was overhyped for me and I expected too much, I don't know. It just fell short of what I was hoping for.
I agree. I've watched the space battle from ROTJ about ten times since seeing Rogue One. How is it that a space battle from the 80s feels more dynamic and exhilirating than the battles in ROTS and Rogue One.If I had any major complaint is about about the look of the star destroyers. They looked far too washed out and fake. Something was off about their size too. I don't think we got a great idea of the overall mass of these things. It didn't have the same impact that it did in the originals.
Yeah, they really should focus on The Old Republic stuff and I'd like to see more attention to the Jedi being, more or less, the mercenary/assassin/judges of the Republic that they pretty much were. I'm tired of seeing this grand, lightside, always good Jedi myth and would like a more honest approach towards what those guys were actually doing in their "jobs." They were basically killing people that threatened to Republic, but under a veneer of "We are good and whole with the Force and Light and blah blah blah"....yeah I'm not buying it, assholes.
It's probably been done to death by those of us nerds that eat this up, but I think it would be cool to see some Revan, or maybe Revan-adjacent stories.
Were the jedi in the Old Republic ever mentioned in the movies? Are they considered canon by Disney? If not, I don't care about any of that expanded universe junk. You post this like it's true.
I didn't like the way they set up the "vulnerability" in the death star to be something that was put there on purpose by a disgruntled worker. Why not design it so the whole thing blows up when they use it then? From the original trilogy I had it in my mind that the rebels discovered the vulnerability on their own, and that somebody had to study the plans to come across this thing. Seems to cheapen the whole experience knowing the bullseye was put there by the creator and given to the rebels.
Maybe it was overhyped for me and I expected too much, I don't know. It just fell short of what I was hoping for.
Yes. Obi-wan told Luke about the Jedi in Ep 4. And Eps 1-3 was about the start of the demise of the old republic; besides how Anakin became Vader. Oh, and Jar-jar.
Were the jedi in the Old Republic ever mentioned in the movies? Are they considered canon by Disney? If not, I don't care about any of that expanded universe junk. You post this like it's true.
Hmm, admittedly I am not a Star Wars Universe expert, but I thought the Old Republic referred to a time long before the events of Episodes 1-6? That's the sense I got from the KOTOR video game, anyway.
Correct. I think this is sometimes confusing. The "Old Republic" refers to a time hundreds, I think actually thousands or so years prior to the Skywalker timeline. The Republic that has been defeated in those crappy prequels and overtaken by the Empire and the Sith is not the Old Republic but, I think, the most recent stable Republic. Or, at least, the timepoint of "The Old Republic" is certainly set way way way before this time. Revan is supposedly some thousand(s) years prior to Vader and Palpatine.
The Sith and the Republic often got into it in the past and while the Sith had always been around, I believe the Old Republic storyline was the last time they had any kind of real power--as that Empire was more or less an equal player with their federation of systems. The current time for Star Wars is basically the return of a long-hidden and disempowered Sith insurgency reclaiming power through the Clone Wars.
When I think of The Old Republic, it is the same republic, more or less (Jedis are their central Judges/Assassins, they have a senate and all that), but there was an equally powerful Empire that rivaled their influence. The Jedi and the Republic defeated them (I think the end of Revan?), and so that Empire remained dormant during the "thousand years of peace" (or whatever Obi first said to Luke in Ep 4) when they became the "Modern Republic" or whathaveyou.
Galactic Republic was established about 1,000 years before the movies. It's still in place to be corrupted by the Sith but by that time it was grown very large and cumbersome.Correct. I think this is sometimes confusing. The "Old Republic" refers to a time hundreds, I think actually thousands or so years prior to the Skywalker timeline. The Republic that has been defeated in those crappy prequels and overtaken by the Empire and the Sith is not the Old Republic but, I think, the most recent stable Republic. Or, at least, the timepoint of "The Old Republic" is certainly set way way way before this time. Revan is supposedly some thousand(s) years prior to Vader and Palpatine.
The Sith and the Republic often got into it in the past and while the Sith had always been around, I believe the Old Republic storyline was the last time they had any kind of real power--as that Empire was more or less an equal player with their federation of systems. The current time for Star Wars is basically the return of a long-hidden and disempowered Sith insurgency reclaiming power through the Clone Wars.
When I think of The Old Republic, it is the same republic, more or less (Jedis are their central Judges/Assassins, they have a senate and all that), but there was an equally powerful Empire that rivaled their influence. The Jedi and the Republic defeated them (I think the end of Revan?), and so that Empire remained dormant during the "thousand years of peace" (or whatever Obi first said to Luke in Ep 4) when they became the "Modern Republic" or whathaveyou.
the best part I thought, really, was Darth Vader showing up and tearing ass through everything, as we were always told was something he was good at. Until this movie, the only visuals we ever got of bad-ass Vader was of a petulant little bitch slicing up some weak children. The stupid joke aside, this was the best Vader yet, imo. But I also think they could have adjusted the timbre in the voice because JE Jones sounds way too old. It's weird that they didn't fiddle with the voice, considering the $$$$ spent on tapping our uncanny valley sensitivities with some creepy cartoon characters that totally did not work. (I was way too busy being creeped out by Tarkin's side-speaking and videogame zombie shuffle to pay attention to anything he was saying.)
TO address something earlier re: How can the rebel fleet hold off a couple of Star Destroyers and then get decimated as soon as a single Star Destroyer with Vader shows up? Well, that's because Vader and long-standing Star Wars mumbo jumbo that you (the audience) should be long-conditioned to accept by now. A Star Destroyer (or fleet, for that matter) commanded by an unnamed "chokable" Captain is nothing like a Star Destroyer commanded by a Sith Lord, or Jedi for that matter. Those dudes' powers stretch beyond the things immediately in their presence and they are able to turn the tide of battles simply through their machinations with the Force.
If Vader is the supreme badass he is supposed to be, then considering various other powers of other sith lords, Vader would have the power to crush any number of small fighters, and even life-support/fuel systems of large frigates or whatever, simply by willing it. To me, there is nothing odd about Vader's Star Destroyer showing up and single-handedly decimating a fleet. That's pretty much why the rebels are constantly in hiding at that point and very much unwilling to commit a large contingent to such a mission, much less their entire fleet. The chance that Vader would show up is just too high.
Finally saw it... Eh, I'm torn. The movie itself was good enough and most of it was well done, but there's a lot of little things that stuck with me. Don't know why, I didn't have that issue with TFA and there was plenty to pick apart there too.
Anyway, did anybody else felt it odd that there was a star destroyer just hanging out so close to a planet surface? I know this is more science fantasy than science fiction, but how does the thing just hover there without plummeting into the planet? It's huge, and floating around space at least makes a little sense, but that close to the planet just felt off.
I remember in Empire that they couldn't take down the AT-AT with ship blasters, so they had to use the cable trip thing in a very memorable scene. I didn't want them to do the same thing, but they seemed to go down pretty damn easy just with normal Xwing blasters. Maybe they beefed them up in between here and Empire.
I may be misremembering, but I don't remember anybody really talking about the force until Luke spent time with Obi Wan and then joined in with the Rebellion. In this movie all the rebels are already saying "may the force be with you", so I guess it isn't really the rare forgotten power that the original trilogy built it up to be.
They mentioned something about the clone wars in a scene which I found odd. I thought they were ignoring episodes 1-3 for these new movies? Maybe they'll have pod racing in the Han Solo movie.
I didn't like the way they set up the "vulnerability" in the death star to be something that was put there on purpose by a disgruntled worker. Why not design it so the whole thing blows up when they use it then? From the original trilogy I had it in my mind that the rebels discovered the vulnerability on their own, and that somebody had to study the plans to come across this thing. Seems to cheapen the whole experience knowing the bullseye was put there by the creator and given to the rebels.
Maybe it was overhyped for me and I expected too much, I don't know. It just fell short of what I was hoping for.
That scene in the beginning with teh Star Destroyer hanging out above the city had me laughing a lot. I thought it was funny, mostly because how bad to you have to be as a city to have a fucking Star Destoryer hanging literally above your head? It did look odd too, as I thought they were like Star Trek capital ships where they were much too large to enter atmosphere. I started wondering if there a few different sized SDs out there, which goes in line with my thoughts above.