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paperfist

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Saw it again last night. Still loved it. Leia being in the battle...why not? She's never been one to shy away from duty. Look at her leading the evacuation of Hoth in Empire, she's practically the last person out of the base, making sure all the transports were out of there before she saved herself. Totally in character for her to be in the thick of the battle.

One thing I still don't get. What was the point of Tarkin blowing up Scarif? And why did he fire at a point miles away from the data center?

Kinda weird he blew up the galactic archives, but it was a way for him to get rid of the director, put down the rebellion, test out the weapon and of course a great way to tie up the end of the movie in a neat little bow.

Not sure it mattered where he aimed for? The whole planet was going down.
 

Triumph

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Kinda weird he blew up the galactic archives, but it was a way for him to get rid of the director, put down the rebellion, test out the weapon and of course a great way to tie up the end of the movie in a neat little bow.

Not sure it mattered where he aimed for? The whole planet was going down.

I don't think they planned on destroying the whole planet. But yeah, it doesn't *really* matter, it just seems like that classic movie trope of the death machine slowly moving towards our constrained hero.
 
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They were only hitting the facility. Tarkin only knew there were rebels attacking it with the apparent intention of getting the plans for the death star. He did not know if they had succeeded, were about to succeed or had failed. But by destroying the facility he could guarantee they couldn't win if they hadn't already sent the plans. It was Vader's job to stop the ships in orbit in case the plans had already been sent. I imagine the original ending had the laser hit the actual facility giving our heroes only a second or two at best before being killed. But for some reason someone needed to show them hugging on a beach watching their impending doom approach.

And no the planet was not destroyed. Alderaan was the first and only planet destroyed by the death star.
 

Slew Foot

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They were only hitting the facility. Tarkin only knew there were rebels attacking it with the apparent intention of getting the plans for the death star. He did not know if they had succeeded, were about to succeed or had failed. But by destroying the facility he could guarantee they couldn't win if they hadn't already sent the plans. It was Vader's job to stop the ships in orbit in case the plans had already been sent. I imagine the original ending had the laser hit the actual facility giving our heroes only a second or two at best before being killed. But for some reason someone needed to show them hugging on a beach watching their impending doom approach.

And no the planet was not destroyed. Alderaan was the first and only planet destroyed by the death star.

Because sometime during Rebels, General Syndulla will swoop down in the Ghost and save them.
 

gorcorps

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oh here's the spoiler thread. nice.

as mentioned there were some questionable moments in the movie from little things like the stupid placement of the dish alignment control, to a random master switch, to Leia being near the battle in the first place, etc... But overall this was one of the better star wars movies and definitely better than TFA by far.

I still can't believe how they actually killed off every fargin character that we may have started to connect to which we met in this movie. That took balls. It was sad but realistic. Gotta give them props for that. And the battle scenes. Nice.

Looking forward to the next.

It took balls to ensure all of the characters we know don't exist in the original trilogy don't survive? That doesn't take balls, it's simply necessary for continuity

The more I think about the movie the more I don't like it. Action was good but that's just distracting from realizing the characters aren't strong.
 

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The first part was slow. They kept jumping between all these planets. I thought the actor for Cassian was french based on his accent, but he is mexican. This movie felt more real as a war story. Action or non action causing death and has weight to it. Even the blasters seemed more destructive, more dangerous. Scarif, I want to vacation there, that location looks awesome!
 

desura

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I really liked the Pakistani character. Huge step forward there. If star wars had guts they would make a Pakistani lead force warrior, but that will never happen.

Star Wars still has a race problem imo. The Chinese monks are interesting but it is a problem that they don't have families, and that Asians are completely absent from the command scenes. Studio execs don't get why Chinese box office tallies have been down--it is because Chinese don't find the depiction of themselves in the movie compelling. Chinese culture is pretty saccharine and family-oriented. Having two males who happen to be Asian and are strongly implied to be gay isn't their cup of tea.
 

Triumph

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I really liked the Pakistani character. Huge step forward there. If star wars had guts they would make a Pakistani lead force warrior, but that will never happen.

Star Wars still has a race problem imo. The Chinese monks are interesting but it is a problem that they don't have families, and that Asians are completely absent from the command scenes. Studio execs don't get why Chinese box office tallies have been down--it is because Chinese don't find the depiction of themselves in the movie compelling. Chinese culture is pretty saccharine and family-oriented. Having two males who happen to be Asian and are strongly implied to be gay isn't their cup of tea.

What the fuuuuuu...

First of all, I understand that the Chinese market is huge and to make money the studios have to add some catering to that. But what the fuck, two of the MAIN CHARACTERS are CHINESE. Please explain what sense it would make for them, in this movie, to display their family lives? Why the fuck does that even make any sense?

And no Asians in the command scene...what the fuck does that matter? In the Star Wars universe, they don't even know what an asian is, but they do have a Calamari fish guy leading the rebel fleet. Clearly, within the universe, they don't care too much about race. Well how about in the real world that we live in? Again, two MAIN CHARACTERS ARE CHINESE. Who cares if they don't have "command scenes"?

And if you think they are "strongly implied to be gay," there's probably something wrong with your sexuality. If the Chinese culture thinks that, then there is something wrong with THEIR culture. Two friends go off to battle, one of them holding his dying buddy in his arms, is implied to be gay? Yeah, I agree, I mean look at this whole group of gays in Saving Private Ryan. I mean hell, in Hamburger Hill not only are these gays hugging, one of them is BLACK! Disgusting!!!
 

Sonikku

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I'm getting so tired of people complaining about there being too many women or too many of X race in Star Wars. We're talking fictional rebels in a galaxy far, far away. Why in blazes do the gender and race ratios have to sync up with what we have in the United States anyway? Why should the rebels in some whole other fictional galaxy have soldiers with a gender ratio comparable to the US Army? Worry about that in a movie about the US. Not Star Wars.
 
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paperfist

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Because sometime during Rebels, General Syndulla will swoop down in the Ghost and save them.

How does that show fit in with Star Wars time line wise? I saw the other day the new season has Grand Admiral Thrawn in it. I never thought I'd see that day when he made it out of the books and into a series.

I'd like to watch Rebels, but can't seem to find it.
 

paperfist

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It takes place 5 years before the battle of yavin. You can see the show for free at Kiss Cartoon.

Thanks so much! I was trying to watch some of the episodes on youtube last night where people recorded the show off their TV and onto their phones

I take it I should start with the first season?
 

desura

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What the fuuuuuu...

First of all, I understand that the Chinese market is huge and to make money the studios have to add some catering to that. But what the fuck, two of the MAIN CHARACTERS are CHINESE. Please explain what sense it would make for them, in this movie, to display their family lives? Why the fuck does that even make any sense?

And no Asians in the command scene...what the fuck does that matter? In the Star Wars universe, they don't even know what an asian is, but they do have a Calamari fish guy leading the rebel fleet. Clearly, within the universe, they don't care too much about race. Well how about in the real world that we live in? Again, two MAIN CHARACTERS ARE CHINESE. Who cares if they don't have "command scenes"?

And if you think they are "strongly implied to be gay," there's probably something wrong with your sexuality. If the Chinese culture thinks that, then there is something wrong with THEIR culture. Two friends go off to battle, one of them holding his dying buddy in his arms, is implied to be gay? Yeah, I agree, I mean look at this whole group of gays in Saving Private Ryan. I mean hell, in Hamburger Hill not only are these gays hugging, one of them is BLACK! Disgusting!!!

What they should have done was make one of them a Chinese female.

Reports are that Rogue One is underperforming Chinese box office expectations by 30%. I'm explaining why. You can like it or not, but this is about reality.

Nothing is wrong with Chinese culture. The biggest problems with Americans is that they go overseas preaching their domestic politics to other people's cultures.
 

desura

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I'm getting so tired of people complaining about there being too many women or too many of X race in Star Wars. We're talking fictional rebels in a galaxy far, far away. Why in blazes do the gender and race ratios have to sync up with what we have in the United States anyway? Why should the rebels in some whole other fictional galaxy have soldiers with a gender ratio comparable to the US Army? Worry about that in a movie about the US. Not Star Wars.

JJ Abrams said that he imagined the First Order to be like Nazis who fled to Argentina. All of the other imperials are various Scotsmen or English. Making Finn very African just doesn't make internal logical sense. It feels like surface deep SJW activism without really any thought put into it.

As I said, women acting like macho men is so prevalent to the point it is becoming cliche.
 

Newbian

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What they should have done was make one of them a Chinese female.

Reports are that Rogue One is underperforming Chinese box office expectations by 30%. I'm explaining why. You can like it or not, but this is about reality.

Nothing is wrong with Chinese culture. The biggest problems with Americans is that they go overseas preaching their domestic politics to other people's cultures.
You were the one preaching their culture and even to the point of saying men can't be friends without them being gay for some reason.
 

Triumph

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What they should have done was make one of them a Chinese female.

Reports are that Rogue One is underperforming Chinese box office expectations by 30%. I'm explaining why. You can like it or not, but this is about reality.

Nothing is wrong with Chinese culture. The biggest problems with Americans is that they go overseas preaching their domestic politics to other people's cultures.
Yeah cause we allknow about China's respect for women.
 

MrSquished

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It took balls to ensure all of the characters we know don't exist in the original trilogy don't survive? That doesn't take balls, it's simply necessary for continuity

The more I think about the movie the more I don't like it. Action was good but that's just distracting from realizing the characters aren't strong.

For a feel good franchise yes it takes balls to kill off all the good guys you were just introduced to. The characters could have been fleshed out more but there simply wasn't any time. I think they did enough of it.

This is definitely the best Star Wars movie outside the original 3.
 

zerocool84

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For a feel good franchise yes it takes balls to kill off all the good guys you were just introduced to. The characters could have been fleshed out more but there simply wasn't any time. I think they did enough of it.

This is definitely the best Star Wars movie outside the original 3.
Of course there's enough time to care about the characters, tons of other movies do it just fine. The character development was downright bad.
 

MrSquished

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Of course there's enough time to care about the characters, tons of other movies do it just fine. The character development was downright bad.

There were quite a few characters, and they spent the beginning of the movie setting things up. I think they did a good enough job. A better job than any of the prequels or the Force Awakens
 

zerocool84

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There were quite a few characters, and they spent the beginning of the movie setting things up. I think they did a good enough job. A better job than any of the prequels or the Force Awakens
The characters in Force Awakens were fleshed out infinitely better than Rogue One. I didn't like Force Awakens but comparing characters to characters here is no comparison because Rogue One did nothing in that area.
 

MrSquished

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The characters in Force Awakens were fleshed out infinitely better than Rogue One. I didn't like Force Awakens but comparing characters to characters here is no comparison because Rogue One did nothing in that area.

As a movie the Force Awakens was just so all over the place, it's not nearly as good as Rogue One - which had to get over a shaky first 3rd of the movie as well.
 
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