A 28 year old former bartender just beat virtually every megacorporation in the US for congress

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fskimospy

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So to you, if I question her ability to know something incredibly because I have seen no evidence, I must also question her ability to know everything, even things that are simple. Got it.

Knowing that a junior congressman can’t drive the national legislative agenda is mighty simple.
 
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jackstar7

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Who's gonna pay for all that? Should her promises be kept, somehow...the makers will move on, deserting the takers. Socialism doesn't work. There is only a certain amount the taxpayers will stand for. Yes, we support our schools, police, fire dept, etc., through taxes, but at some point we won't want to pay for everything, especially if it causes a lower standard of living for people living at or below middle class. So the ideas might sound great, but if those ideas were really acceptable and feasible, Bernie Sanders would be president today. Seems to me some Americans have given up on simply working for what you have and are hoping the politicians expand benefits, so they don't have to produce and work as much for what they think they're entitled too. It's bullshit.
Try some real philosophers. Rand is a hack, man.
 

interchange

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No, he said this:



There is little to zero reason to think that someone who has won a contested primary for US Congress does not know how government works and would think that a 28 year old junior Congressperson was going to waltz in and implement a radically progressive agenda. It's obvious she knows that's not the case.

Not sure what the confusion is here.

I was saying that's why the platform is not practical. I never meant to imply that she expected to set the national agenda. You are misunderstanding me. @realibrad got it right. But since she can't actually do what she is campaigning on, I'm interested in what she actually plans to do. That is all.
 
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Blackjack200

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I was saying that's why the platform is not practical. I never meant to imply that she expected to set the national agenda. You are misunderstanding me. @realibrad got it right. But since she can't actually do what she is campaigning on, I'm interested in what she actually plans to do. That is all.

Probably the same thing the tea partiers did when they were elected on "repeal obamacare" platforms they couldn't deliver on: keep pushing the issue until enough pieces are in place for them to actually follow through.

Difference is she's actually trying to help her constituents, not just murdering people with diabetes.
 

jackstar7

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Probably the same thing the tea partiers did when they were elected on "repeal obamacare" platforms they couldn't deliver on: keep pushing the issue until enough pieces are in place for them to actually follow through.

Difference is she's actually trying to help her constituents, not just murdering people with diabetes.
#SquadGoals
 

fskimospy

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I was saying that's why the platform is not practical. I never meant to imply that she expected to set the national agenda. You are misunderstanding me. @realibrad got it right. But since she can't actually do what she is campaigning on, I'm interested in what she actually plans to do. That is all.

That makes no sense. By your logic no platform of a congressional candidate is practical. That’s just not how Congress works.
 

realibrad

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That makes no sense. By your logic no platform of a congressional candidate is practical. That’s just not how Congress works.

You are not being reasonable. Its different to question her ability to do something complex if you see no indication she has the skill to do so, vs questioning her ability to do simple things. Questioning someone's ability does not mean you think they can't, it just means you have no indication they can. You seem to be taking this personally and are quite defensive.
 

nickqt

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Excuse me, but check the data from the 2015 trustees report.

E. CONCLUSION
Under current law, the projected cost of Social Security in creases faster than projected income through 2037 primarily because of the aging of the babyboom generation and relatively low fertility since the baby-boom period. Cost will continue to grow faster than income after 2037, but to a lesser degree, due to increasing life expectancy. Based on the Trustees’ intermediate assumptions, program cost exceeds no n-interest income for 2015, as it has since 2010, and remains higher than non-interest income throughout the remainder of the 75-year projection period.

There's more, including the year by which the program is depleted. Point being, it's an unstable program. Big difference is Basic Income pays out the same year it is taxed. Benefits and Costs include everyone, so the only real limitation to its income is United States productivity. That is far more stable than young worker income VS retired worker benefits. Especially with trickle down and baby boomers altering both ends of the scale.

Here's an easier, but clearly biased read on your "paygo" program. Still, they're using real data:
Social Security: $39 Billion Deficit in 2014, Insolvent by 2035

It pays too much, benefits too few, and cannot be sustained as is. There is nothing wrong with dropping it for another program.
Just so you know, the SS Trust fund:

1. Was never meant to be a permanent fund.
2. Has been predicted to be depleted 25 years from now, for the past 25 years.
 

fskimospy

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You are not being reasonable. Its different to question her ability to do something complex if you see no indication she has the skill to do so, vs questioning her ability to do simple things. Questioning someone's ability does not mean you think they can't, it just means you have no indication they can. You seem to be taking this personally and are quite defensive.

Now you’re not even responding to the chain of argument in a logical way.

It’s not a personal issue, it’s just pointing out a silly argument from someone whose opinion I find valuable. It happens all the time.
 

Jhhnn

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You are not being reasonable. Its different to question her ability to do something complex if you see no indication she has the skill to do so, vs questioning her ability to do simple things. Questioning someone's ability does not mean you think they can't, it just means you have no indication they can. You seem to be taking this personally and are quite defensive.

Please. She's obviously extremely intelligent & has great charisma. I'm sure she'll figure it out better than Louie Gohmert, Glenn Grothman or a plenitude of GOP congress critters.
 

fskimospy

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Please. She's obviously extremely intelligent & has great charisma. I'm sure she'll figure it out better than Louie Gohmert, Glenn Grothman or a plenitude of GOP congress critters.

But she might not know that a first term congressperson’s agenda won’t be enacted because through her entire working life and education she never learned a single thing.

It seems important and reasonable to ask this and I’m certain had an older man won the same primary we would ask the same questions.
 
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realibrad

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Please. She's obviously extremely intelligent & has great charisma. I'm sure she'll figure it out better than Louie Gohmert, Glenn Grothman or a plenitude of GOP congress critters.

There are a lot of smart people in politics, and yet often they do not get things done. I don't think its an issue of intelligence and charisma alone, as that seems to be quite normal at that level.
 

realibrad

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Now you’re not even responding to the chain of argument in a logical way.

It’s not a personal issue, it’s just pointing out a silly argument from someone whose opinion I find valuable. It happens all the time.

Its logical.
 

realibrad

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But she might not know that a first term congressperson’s agenda won’t be enacted because through her entire working life and education she never learned a single thing.

It seems important and reasonable to ask this and I’m certain had an older man won the same primary we would ask the same questions.

Is that really what you think Interchange's position is? This is why I think you are taking this personally for some reason, because, I was able to understand his position quite easily and you were/are not.
 

fskimospy

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Is that really what you think Interchange's position is? This is why I think you are taking this personally for some reason, because, I was able to understand his position quite easily and you were/are not.

You keep saying I’m taking it personally because it’s a way to avoid my substantive criticism of his position.

I have little interest in continuing to discuss this with you because we all know how this goes. It’s so incredibly tiresome.
 

Jhhnn

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There are a lot of smart people in politics, and yet often they do not get things done. I don't think its an issue of intelligence and charisma alone, as that seems to be quite normal at that level.

So what? Her job as a first term congress person is mostly to listen & learn. It would be the same for most anybody other than the Teatards who thought they already knew everything. If she's able to advance her agenda it will be somewhere down the road.
 

realibrad

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So what? Her job as a first term congress person is mostly to listen & learn. It would be the same for most anybody other than the Teatards who thought they already knew everything. If she's able to advance her agenda it will be somewhere down the road.

Interchange questioned three things. First was how she could get such an ambitious plan to work. The second was that at the ripe age of 28, if she had enough understanding of the internal nuances of government to get that plan to work even if it was workable. The third was if she even has any sort of plan as politicians are known to say ambitious things and never even attempt them because the goal was to get elected.

The first seems perfectly reasonable because we have no specifics. The second also seems reasonable because very smart people are usually unable to get things done.

Evaluating practicality of any specific plan requires knowledge of the specific plan. We don't have it. However, what I was referring to is not so much whether something aligned with the ideas per se could practically work. What I was referring to is how things in government work. A 28-year-old junior Congressperson is not going to waltz in and implement a radically progressive agenda regardless of how good her plan is.

All that is assuming she has an actual plan to implement these things that makes any sense at all.

Its fine if her plan is to listen and learn, but what she said she was going to do was far more than that. I understand needed to acclimate, but, those are some very big goals and it seems reasonable to question if those goals are achievable.
 

Jhhnn

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Its fine if her plan is to listen and learn, but what she said she was going to do was far more than that. I understand needed to acclimate, but, those are some very big goals and it seems reasonable to question if those goals are achievable.

And she may yet do them but anybody not deliberately trolling knows that she didn't mean in her first term. She stated her goals as a congress person & she'll probably be one for many years considering her district.

Democrats aren't like Trumpsters. We know magic wands don't exist.
 

jackstar7

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They call him.... The Quibbler!

He doesn't know what evil lurks in the hearts of men, so he will ask a thousand questions that never really get near that subject, except by accident.

The Quibbler! brought to you by the timekillers podcast.
 
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UglyCasanova

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You keep saying I’m taking it personally because it’s a way to avoid my substantive criticism of his position.

I have little interest in continuing to discuss this with you because we all know how this goes. It’s so incredibly tiresome.


Geese Louise that’s one of the more neckbeard responses I’ve read on here


It’s so incredibly tiresome
 

realibrad

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And she may yet do them but anybody not deliberately trolling knows that she didn't mean in her first term. She stated her goals as a congress person & she'll probably be one for many years considering her district.

Democrats aren't like Trumpsters. We know magic wands don't exist.

Nobody is expecting her to do it in her first term, but, there is also no indication she can get it done either which is what Interchange's point is. Its also not really a new idea, and yet nobody has done it before. So maybe its worth looking for evidence of her ability beyond her getting elected?
 

Moonbeam

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It's ironic that you would say 'think of the children' while pursuing policies that ensure those same children won't be able to afford places to live.

I am thinking of the children, I hope someday you join me.
I don't want to ask personal info, but I'm guessing no kids. My guess is that what you call thinking of the kids is what you call thinking of the kids, and that it's devoid of lining understanding. We were wild for millions of years. There is no natural animal joy in a sardine can. I think there is a saying that covers your condition: Too many camel bones and you forget what a real camel looks like.
 
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