Seems you misspelled ch33zw1z, it's ok tho...no worries. I read your replies. We DO agree. What we won't agree on is placating a poster such as Greenman.
I've seen people been called far worse in here. OK, @ch33zw1z we do agree. I didn't know there was something going on with Greenman. If so you should have mentioned him, since we do agree. I'm not here to placate anyone.
BTW, I hear cheez wiz is the correct cheese to use on a philly? I think provolone works well too.
This should afford you a clue as to the value of your opinions.
Greenman you nailed it on the head.... If being a Policeman is a high stress situation then you can always quit and do something else! What the Police don`t realize is that they themselves make things a high stress situation!!I would assume so, though it would have to be an ambush to avoid the same problems as kicking down the door.
We want the police to use the minimum amount of force necessary to arrest a suspect. That's nothing more than common sense. The problem is it's hard for anyone to make that call in a high stress situation. -- Every I deleted is a moot point!
speaking of the value of opinions........hahahahaaaaaaaaThis should afford you a clue as to the value of your opinions.
It seems to me that there are times when police might not want to let the occupants know they're coming in. I know that if I was going to be the first guy through a door, and the fellow on the other side had already killed people, I'd prefer that he not know I'm there. I assume that's a rare situation, but I also assume it does occasionally happen.
Of course it will. A few cops will get killed, or some innocent onlookers, and the case will be made for the use of no knock warrants. There is no good answer, what we need is the one that kills the fewest people.Sure, it is definitely possible to envision some extreme scenario where announcing police presence seems like a bad idea. You might have, say, a group of armed terrorists and a reasonable expectation that they'll open fire if they're given time to prepare. You can even make the case for less extreme scenarios, like an individual that previously fled and evaded capture after serving a regular knock-warrant. And there are innumerable borderline scenarios.
The big issue is where to draw the line. I mean, it's easy enough to draw a theoretical one. The problem is in the real world it's nearly a given that any line drawn today will gradually drift towards more permissive application in the future.
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You nmeed to become a comedian, that way you can get paid for people laughing at your opinions!!
Thank You!! Most people just shake their head in pity when you comment!!I don't believe I could get more laughs on a daily basis than you. lol.
Thank You!! Most people just shake their head in pity when you comment!!
No you cannot let a judge make that decision!As usual, neither extreme is the correct answer. Warrants have to be signed by a Judge. Let the Officers make their case and let the Judge decide. If the Officer's information proves to be untruthful to get a the higher risk warrant, that can be dealt with also.
I'll let you know when it happens.The House can do nothing if the Republican held Senate refuses to pass a bill that the house sends to the Senate....So again please tell us who is holding up this important piece of legislation?
Over all a very sad state of affairs!Breonna Taylor's death is a matter of misfortune and a lesson on failing to de-escalate a situation. The boyfriend felt empowered by a gun and also was a good shot, since an officer was actually hit. -- That is BS!! The boyfriend was acting in self defense! The Police did not as they claimed announce themselves!
--Once that strike occurred, the officers obtained enough cause to retaliate. So quick was his jump to violence that he failed to realize his phone was the more powerful tool. -- The boyfriend had no opportunity to use his phone, because the Police knocked doen the door....think again sherlock!
It also part and parcel of the drug dealer "business".-- so everyone who owns a gun is a drug dealer....nice try!!
The legal virgins don't realize that dealing drugs are a proper business, but illegal. Thus, there needs to be a veil between kingpins and the little people sticking their necks out there. Taylor could have very well been a frontwoman, someone with a clean record is needed so the dealers are insulated in case of a traffic stop or snitches. Allegedly, there was proof from the post officer Inspector General that one of the dealer's mail was being delivered to her place. -- There were no drugs found and you are jumping to conclusions that are not supported by the facts!
This killing is one where race is hardly a significant matter compared with the matter of two classes of people with equal levels of legal savvy and cunning: drug dealers and cops.--- This case turned out to be a total boondoggle for the Police! They fucked up!
The Taylor death also shows how cops can indeed be deceptive and make you "pay into the system" to get a judicial acquittal or nolle prosequi. They say they identified themselves at first even with a no-knock. Nope, I can't believe it. They wouldn't make the effort to get a no-knock just to waive it like that. But it does make for a rational foundation to charge the boyfriend with attempted murder, even though they know he'll be acquitted or the charges dropped in a couple months. If he gets representation via public defender, this would be on the state's dime.
As someone who has had experience with someone else getting a no-knock warrant on my mother's property, I can say two contrasting things:
1. They ARE justifiable. Evidence can be destroyed or throw to "hard to reach" places in the few seconds between identification and reaching the criminal. Criminals can also have time to arm themselves and put lives in danger. One example of attempted evidence after knocking is that of former P.G County Executive Jack. B Johnson instructing his wife to flush a check down the toilet and to hide cash in her underwear.
2. The police can also stretch the probable cause by merely having a criminal rap sheet even if no conviction is prevalent. -- no knock warrants are never justifiable! It does not matter the examples you dig up....there are way to many thingas that can go wrong!
However, the tenant was absolutely was cooking up drugs. Why? When my mom went to collect the rent, he would not come up for payment and made her wait almost 2-3 hours before he came up with the money; at the beginning of his tenancy there was no delay. Strange people were witnessed by us once at the property. The sentence was also lax. Pled guilty to two charges. There were no jail sentence and 18 months probation. Left rent unpaid and the property damage is something we'll have to sue him for. Those who scream prison reform obviously never have seen the heaps of nolle prosequis that are handed out; these can later be expunged as well. There is little appreciation of the fact that getting a conviction, even a corrupt one, takes considerable work. The U.S.A is still a crime-friendly place. -- as long as the Police act like goons and have this US against Them mentality it will never be a Police friendly country!
Even an Executive order means little to nothing! You cannot use executive orders circumvent the House and Senate!I'll let you know when it happens.
Even if you have a gun, self-defense requires imminent danger. Having a gun is not license to shoot at will. At the very least, asking for identification is necessary before going to step 2, which is repeating the question. Then, when the door actually opens, seeing what the people are about to do. The rules of civility are more paramount, not less, when firearms are involved. . The battering ram takes time, sufficient time to get a phone ready and recording. The camera on the Iphone is accessible without even needing a swipe.Over all a very sad state of affairs!
Whether not drugs were found after does not mean suspicion was not justified prior. Glover was observed engaging in drug activity at a different house. They observed Glover going to Taylor's house multiple times, that is sufficient cause for suspicion. A suspected drug dealer, driving a conspicuous car with striking features, very many trips to her apartment. Hell yes, that is suspicious.The warrant listed Taylor and two men named Adrian Orlandes Walker and Jamarcus Glover. Investigators said both men were under suspicion of trafficking drugs.
A detective told the judge he believed Glover was using Taylor’s apartment as part of a trafficking ring, shipping drugs there to avoid detection.
The investigation described surveillance cameras at another address on Elliot Avenue, where Glover and Walker are accused of selling drugs, hiding packages and seeing as many as 20 cars pull up in a span of an hour.
The warrant said Glover and Walker were seen driving a red Dodge Charger listed in the warrant to Taylor’s house on multiple occasions.
In one instance, Glover picked up a USPS package from Taylor’s apartment and then took it to another “known drug house,” according to the warrant. Glover also was arrested on the night of the shooting.
Then you need to be more careful how you post! Because that is what anybody reading your response could infer that you said!Even if you have a gun, self-defense requires imminent danger. Having a gun is not license to shoot at will. At the very least, asking for identification is necessary before going to step 2, which is repeating the question. Then, when the door actually opens, seeing what the people are about to do. The rules of civility are more paramount, not less, when firearms are involved. . The battering ram takes time, sufficient time to get a phone ready and recording. The camera on the Iphone is accessible without even needing a swipe.
Nowhere did I say that owning a gun entail being a drug dealer. I say results like this are part and parcel of the business. The cliffnotes of subject -object-verb between your statement and mine has massive discrepancies of subject, object, and verb.
My subject is "results"
Your subject is "owning a gun"
Right there, you interject your own words, entirely irrelevant from mine into the discussion. Not a counterpoint at all, but merely a distraction.
If a trio of actual armed robbers were breaking in and he fired, both he and Taylor would likely be dead because unlike police, robbers have even less inhibitions. The act of firing is an act of escalation. If you escalate, and the other guys can fight back harder than you, you're in a world of hurt. Escalate against police you might be dead. Escalate against a socio- or psychopath and you might be dead. Escalate against against hardened or belligerent criminals and you might be dead.
Breonna Taylor shooting: Warrant says suspect used her apartment to hide drugs
A deadly officer-involved shooting that is gaining national attention might be linked to a drug trafficking ring, according to new documents just obtained by WAVE 3 News Troubleshooters.www.wave3.comBreonna Taylor shooting: Warrant says suspect used her apartment to hide drugs
A deadly officer-involved shooting that is gaining national attention might be linked to a drug trafficking ring, according to new documents just obtained by WAVE 3 News Troubleshooters.www.wave3.com
Whether not drugs were found after does not mean suspicion was not justified prior. Glover was observed engaging in drug activity at a different house. They observed Glover going to Taylor's house multiple times, that is sufficient cause for suspicion. A suspected drug dealer, driving a conspicuous car with striking features, very many trips to her apartment. Hell yes, that is suspicious.
Breonna Taylor shooting: Warrant says suspect used her apartment to hide drugs
A deadly officer-involved shooting that is gaining national attention might be linked to a drug trafficking ring, according to new documents just obtained by WAVE 3 News Troubleshooters.www.wave3.com
Drugs may not be found, but the warrant is based on probable cause PRIOR to search. Inbetween the time period,
According to wave3, it is stated that officers shot from outside of the home into the house through closed blinds, thus making it a matter of fact that their either had not yet crossed fully into the door. https://www.wave3.com/2020/05/13/facts-what-we-know-about-shooting-death-breonna-taylor/
This case turned out to be a total boondoggle for the Police! They fucked up!
Only if the facts in the warrant are false. But if there is surveillance footage of 20+ cars pulling up to the house and that he was clearly observed going to Taylor's house, then they indeed had the grounds to investigate the apartment.
no knock warrants are never justifiable! It does not matter the examples you dig up....there are way to many thingas that can go wrong!
You have provided no basis that they are never justifiable. Neither practically nor philosophically. The practical matters more than the philsophical. If there was not wiretap on Jack B. Johnson, the evidence would have been covered and flushed away, wiping away political corruption.
as long as the Police act like goons and have this US against Them mentality it will never be a Police friendly country!
The system is built so that the police are not accountable. No amount of training or mentality adjustsments will correct them. It is because they can be "Arbiters of Truth" that they can abuse their power. The other is the code of "don't harm your own", an unwritten rule than will survive even without official unions. This extends to their fellows in law, which are politicians, lawyers, and the coroner's office. Sadly, in the emotional immaturity of BLM and the Floyd deaths will make certain that "pruning" laws like this or defund the police will pass while reforms to coroner examinations, tighter control over lost evidence, and developing ways to break the brotherhood code will go completely undiscussed even though they form the basis of all corruption, of which brutality is merely a subset.
Then you have the stupidity of the human race clinging onto the mind control phrase "protect and serve" even though they are one of the "bosses" and that the commoner serves them. Certainly, no one would dare command a cop like a butler...but still people think they serve them.
You are a legal virgin. Let me instruct you a little on "innocent until proven guilty" That phrase summarizes the constraint on the state and agents of the state. They cannot just imprison on mere suspicion. But they absolutely can investigate suspicions. That can even be convinced of guilt via reductio ad absurdum even without proof, but they cannot imprison on that alone. That's the so-called "innocent until proven guilty". It is not a religious or philosophical axiom. Using it to prove a truth is completely irrational. And actually, what it really is is "not guilty until proven guilty".
How so?? where does it say not guilty until proven guilty? Those are your words....
In the United States, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty. In the USA court of law the verdict is “guilty” or “not guilty” instead of “guilty” or “innocent.” Not guilty does not mean innocent.
Even if you have a gun, self-defense requires imminent danger. Having a gun is not license to shoot at will.
you must remember that Tom Mind considers himself to be a legal mind!!!!!A home invasion is the definition of when to have and use a weapon. Lest you automatically forfeit your life to anyone who breaks in.
Obama said you can retroactively hold his beer.Even an Executive order means little to nothing! You cannot use executive orders circumvent the House and Senate!
Trump said you can retroactively continue to hold his manhood....Obama said you can retroactively hold his beer.