A Black Trumpanzee?

[Jhhnn]

Not sure what alternate facts you are bleating about in relation to this story.

This lovely bit of alt-right bullshit right here-

Funny how "news" outlets tend to only include race when it's the mean 'ol whiteys keeping uppity POCs down.

 

[Lanyap]

Not sure why Trumpanzee is referenced in the title. I read the linked articles and don’t see where the 13 yo attacker and his bully cohorts mentioned anything about Trump. Bad blood between B/AAs and Mexicans are a known issue that’s been around long before Trump. You can find much better examples of Trump related racism besides this incident.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

The relationship between Mexican Americans and the Black community have been tense at times as migrants from Mexico often arrive to the United States with extant, racist sentiments regarding Blacks.[36] In Mexico, Afro-Mexicans (who make up 1% of the population) report that they are regularly racially harassed by the local and state police.[36] Mexican phrases that attribute negativity associated with the word Black - such as "getting black" (meaning getting angry), the use of "negro" (when used to mean ugly), a "supper of blacks" or "cena de negros" (meaning a group of people gathering together to cause trouble)[36][37] "el negrito en el arroz" (translated as "the black in the rice" meaning an unpleasant dark skin tone), and "trabajar como negro" (translated as "work like black" which refers to work as a slave)[37] abound. The origin of the tension has also been attributed to competition for blue-collar jobs, cultural disputes in changing neighborhoods, and resentment by Blacks that Latinos are benefiting from their efforts during the civil rights movement.[36] The Mexican Mafia has strived to drive out Blackresidents from prestigious Black neighborhoods through racial intimidation, threats, and violence.[38][39]

 

[brandonbull]

Not sure why Trumpanzee is referenced in the title. I read the linked articles and don’t see where the 13 yo attacker and his bully cohorts mentioned anything about Trump. Bad blood between B/AAs and Mexicans are a known issue that’s been around long before Trump. You can find much better examples of Trump related racism besides this incident.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

Certain groups of people think beyond a shadow of a doubt that any racist words or actions can only be from Trump supporters and hopefully they are white. Considering the person arrested for this attack, the title is racist.

 

[senseamp]

This is Republican America.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Not sure why Trumpanzee is referenced in the title. I read the linked articles and don’t see where the 13 yo attacker and his bully cohorts mentioned anything about Trump. Bad blood between B/AAs and Mexicans are a known issue that’s been around long before Trump. You can find much better examples of Trump related racism besides this incident.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

Your being an idiot! This all is a reflection on Trump!!
It is obvious you either did not read the article or have no ability to comprehend......
Just to refresh your memory - this is taken from the article -- "
The 13-year-old, who is not being named because he is a minor, had allegedly chanted "Mexicans should go back behind the wall" at Ruiz's son, along with a few other boys in the cafeteria on June 18.""
before Trump came into office there was probably friction between blacks and Mexicans. But not at that age(13 yrs) and not making any reference to "the wall"...…..
You can do better than that!!

 

[FirNaTine]

I get that "Trumpanzee," is meant to describe an irrational, presumably low intelligence, caricatured Trump supporter

But, this headline just struck me the wrong way seeing "Black Trumpanzee." Knowing the history of various primate slurs used in a racist context, mixing that with a violent behavior by an African American teenager seems to me to be courting further issues.

 

[Viper1j]

Not sure why Trumpanzee is referenced in the title. I read the linked articles and don’t see where the 13 yo attacker and his bully cohorts mentioned anything about Trump. Bad blood between B/AAs and Mexicans are a known issue that’s been around long before Trump. You can find much better examples of Trump related racism besides this incident.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mexican_sentiment

Again I ask, Did you think the kid was promoting the movie Bohemian Rhapsody when he said "Get behind the wall"?

I get that "Trumpanzee," is meant to describe an irrational, presumably low intelligence, caricatured Trump supporter

But, this headline just struck me the wrong way seeing "Black Trumpanzee." Knowing the history of various primate slurs used in a racist context, mixing that with a violent behavior by an African American teenager seems to me to be courting further issues.

Trumpanzee has less to do with the "primate slur" than it has intelligence. When I coined the phrase 9 months ago, I added: "They're like chimpanzees, only not as bright."

No racial overtones were ever implied in the moniker. It was more along the lines of the average Trump voter, like this guy!

 

[pmv]

She just looks so fragile. It must be the in the water whatever is fucking with kid's minds is in the water.



I know how this is going to sound, and I'm prepared to take the heat for it, but those kids are white.

I would expect more of black kids, or Latino kids, because they've experienced the very same fear they're dishing out. They can't even go in the street, or to a park, and play cowboys and Indians, or cops and robbers, because the police might think their stick or their toy gun might be a real gun and blow their brains out.

They know what it's like to live with fear, and I find it mind blowing that they would instill that fear in another. They've been there done that, and I hope they take that kid and lock him in a room, and throw away the room.

Strangely, I do find it worse that the perpetrator is black.

I disagree with that point. At best its a bit naive, and it's even, it seems to me, a bit unfair, expecting higher standards from those themselves coping with crap.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest that disadvantaged groups can act like part of the majority when it comes to other 'dimensions' of power. For one thing, if it wasn't the case, all such issues would have been fixed decades or centuries ago. For another there have been countless examples of it for centuries.

These things operate across different axes, at right-angles. Anti-migrant hatred is a different thing from hatred of people born in a country (who have been there for a long time) but of different race, and both are different from hatred of those with a minority religion. Someone on the weaker side on one issue can be on the dominant side on the other. Might even make it all the more appealing to them, to get to feel part of the powerful majority group for once.

Edit - that said, there is something extremely depressing about reading about all the different tensions that exist between different ethnic minority groups. Makes one realise how hard it is for anything to politically change.

 

[pmv]

I get that "Trumpanzee," is meant to describe an irrational, presumably low intelligence, caricatured Trump supporter

But, this headline just struck me the wrong way seeing "Black Trumpanzee." Knowing the history of various primate slurs used in a racist context, mixing that with a violent behavior by an African American teenager seems to me to be courting further issues.

I agree - I'm sure it wasn't _intended_ like that, but it made me wince, because it was careless. It's very similar to how Danny Baker got himself into appalling trouble with his Harry and Markle tweet. If it had been a celeb tweet it would not have gone well. I'm quite relieved I'm not a celeb, though, so easy to get into trouble if you are one of those guys.

 

[hokies83]

This is Republican America.

Umm no...

 

[Pohemi]

Since it's a story involving racist acts and it doesn't mention the race of the attacker, you can almost bet your utility bill money that the attacker wasn't white. Funny how "news" outlets tend to only include race when it's the mean 'ol whiteys keeping uppity POCs down.

Telling of facts is not "feelings of persecution". Seems like learning facts is persecution to you and the rest of the useful idiots.

You are so obviously and blatantly full of shit. Since when is politically-based subjective opinion "fact"?

Not sure what alternate facts you are bleating about in relation to this story.

Pretty much anything you claim to be fact, isn't. Simple. Just because you can lie to yourself and buy it doesn't mean anyone else has to.

 

[brycejones]

Telling of facts is not "feelings of persecution". Seems like learning facts is persecution to you and the rest of the useful idiots.

When did you decide to become a comedian?

 

[Lanyap]

Your being an idiot! This all is a reflection on Trump!!
It is obvious you either did not read the article or have no ability to comprehend......
Just to refresh your memory - this is taken from the article -- "
The 13-year-old, who is not being named because he is a minor, had allegedly chanted "Mexicans should go back behind the wall" at Ruiz's son, along with a few other boys in the cafeteria on June 18.""
before Trump came into office there was probably friction between blacks and Mexicans. But not at that age(13 yrs) and not making any reference to "the wall"...…..
You can do better than that!!

I read the linked articles and other MSM articles about this incident to form my current opinion.
I guess B/AA middle schoolers are on Trump's twitter feed and keep up with politics? How else are they going to be influenced by Trump's racism rhetoric? Parents, friends, neighbors, etc.?
And the chant was alleged so we are taking the word of another middle schooler that the bullies mentioned the wall.
I'll wait for more facts to come out.

 

[Viper1j]

I disagree with that point. At best its a bit naive, and it's even, it seems to me, a bit unfair, expecting higher standards from those themselves coping with crap..

It's called empathy.

The ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I read the linked articles and other MSM articles about this incident to form my opinion.
I guess B/AA middle schoolers are on Trump's twitter feed and keep up with politics? How else are they going to be influenced by Trump's racism rhetoric? Parents, friends, neighbors, etc.?
And the chant was alleged so we are taking the word of another middle schooler that the bullies mentioned the wall.
I'll wait for more facts to come out.

Side skirting the issue, it figures! Moast other articles on the subject also mentioned the bullies talking about "the wall'...….all those news sources cannot be wrong!
Go ahead and stick your head in the sand! We both know if anyone else was president the wall or a wall would not have been mentioned!!

 

[pmv]

It's called empathy.

The ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

Yes, but that's precisely what I feel people who say 'why doesn't this group automatically identify with the struggles of this other group' are often failing to display. The evidence seems to be that really isn't how it works, and in my opinion it's unfair to specifically criticise disadvantaged groups for failing to do that, effectively demanding higher standards of them, when you aren't in their position yourself. If you yourself are black of course, it's different.

There are _countless_ examples throughout history, of groups not automatically finding common cause in some grand rainbow coaltion, unfortunately. Its the norm of human behaviour. It's the rare occasions when such identification across struggles _does_ arise that are all the more inspiring, by contrast (like the Parisian Sans Culottes rioting in defence of the Haitian slave revolt, or just the gay community raising money for the miners' strike, for that matter!)

 

[ch33zw1z]

You are so obviously and blatantly full of shit. Since when is politically-based subjective opinion "fact"?



Pretty much anything you claim to be fact, isn't. Simple. Just because you can lie to yourself and buy it doesn't mean anyone else has to.

He's got some alt facts though, cool?

 

[FirNaTine]

Again I ask, Did you think the kid was promoting the movie Bohemian Rhapsody when he said "Get behind the wall"?



Trumpanzee has less to do with the "primate slur" than it has intelligence. When I coined the phrase 9 months ago, I added: "They're like chimpanzees, only not as bright."

No racial overtones were ever implied in the moniker. It was more along the lines of the average Trump voter, like this guy!

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As I said, (and you quoted me) I was pretty sure that wasn't your intent. But, all the same I feel it best to remove as much doubt as possible. I've had to deal with an unfortunate idiot (16-17 year old) who used the phrase "Chimp out" in reference to a similar situation several years ago. He said he didn't mean in it a racial manner, but I told him very directly it's not about the way it's intended, but the way it can be seen.

(As bad as I wanted to "go ape shit" on them, I held my tongue and quickly grabbed my boss' boss nearby and let him handle it. I knew I could not bring the pain required to truly get their attention, but he would in a heartbeat. Kid was 3 shades lighter in seconds and didn't speak voluntarily for the next few weeks as far as I know.)

 

[Lanyap]

Again I ask, Did you think the kid was promoting the movie Bohemian Rhapsody when he said "Get behind the wall"?

I don't get the Bohemian Rhapsody movie reference. My understanding of "Get behind the wall" is it references prison.

 

[Lanyap]

Side skirting the issue, it figures! Moast other articles on the subject also mentioned the bullies talking about "the wall'...….all those news sources cannot be wrong!
Go ahead and stick your head in the sand! We both know if anyone else was president the wall or a wall would not have been mentioned!!

You're being obtuse. The source of the wall comment was the 12yo kid being bullied. The MSM just reported it. Also keep in mind that the source for all of the details in the articles is the family's attorney so we only have one side of the story.

The most important thing here, IMO, is that the 13yo beat the crap out of the mother not the alleged wall comment. I believe the family attorney when he said:

"I don't know that a child is able to fully understand and comprehend the implications of his words and saying things like 'You should go back to Mexico,'" Santiago said. "But this was clearly generated from hatred, and clearly this young man has a great deal of anger in his heart, and that's sad for a whole other list of reasons."

So did Trump's rhetoric influence the 13yo bully to beat the crap of the mother?

I'll wait for more facts and the other sides of the story.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Umm no...

Umm YES!!

 

[RamIt]

Never fucking hit a woman! What is wrong with kids these days.

 

[JSt0rm]

Certain groups of people think beyond a shadow of a doubt that any racist words or actions can only be from Trump supporters and hopefully they are white. Considering the person arrested for this attack, the title is racist.

You the victim again?

 

[Viper1j]

I don't get the Bohemian Rhapsody movie reference. My understanding of "Get behind the wall" is it references prison.

Freddy Mercury.. The Wall? Wait That was Pink Floyd. Kid must have been a fan. My bad.

 

[Lanyap]

Never fucking hit a woman! What is wrong with kids these days.

I don’t know. He’s a 13yo who is full of hate. Why would a middle schooler even care about Mexicans and the border? When I was 13 I was jerking off and trying to figure out how to talk to girls.