A bunch of different religious freebies

[OrlandoTiger]

Originally posted by: adinar

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut

Originally posted by: MOONKEY
Just came back from movie "Harry P...", turned on TV news, someone still wants to ban Harry P..., because it is Witch thing.

I am scared.

The one turns water into wine, it is a miracle; others do so, it should be burned. If so much according to the book, Chinese is not even human beings, because China not mentioned... I even heard one pastor said Chinese can not go to heaven, because they don't believe... But they have longest civilization in this world...?

It is 21 century, isn't it? I am scared. Many have not learned to accept the difference and respect others.

That's correct. Chinese people are NOT going to Heaven...Neither are the villagers of Africa or the Inuit of Alaska, cuz none of them have heard of or care about Jesus H. Christ, cannot therefore seek him for salvation, and therefore cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Given that salvation only be obtained through Jeebus, it then follows that the vast majority of the globe, at any given time, is destined for hell. Too bad they will never have the opportunity to reach pearly gates because they have never been exposed to Jesus and the Other 2/3 of the Trinity. Doesn't sound very fair to me! Interesting how people seem to believe that God is a just God......doesn't sound very just to me!!

Valsalva

It's funny that you should mention this, but Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) believe that the gospel will be presented to everyone. If you don't get a chance to hear the gospel during your mortal life, then it will be presented to you in the afterlife. Seems to be a little bit more fair to me.

And with exception to truly "evil" ppl, Mormons believe that there are three degrees of "heaven", so unless you are truly wicked, you will go to "Heaven" in some form or fashion.

For anyone wanting to know what Mormon doctrine is there is a vast amount of information available online in addition to the link I posted.Valsalva if God dosent exist according to you,why are you concerned if hes just or not?It sounds to me like your playing with the idea of "what if" but I doubt youd ever admit it.He dosent need your help or mine to make a just decision concerning those who havent heard.He was just before you became so much wiser than he is (in your eyes),and he'll be just long after we've all left this place we call home for a time.I hope you find that out one day,"seek and ye shall find" In the meantime be sure to get your free Jesus button and Rosh Hashanah Poster!

 

[Caveman2001]

I checked that link Valsava posted.

It has references to many different books to make all the contradictions appear to be real. A book called "Let God Be True" (1946) for example.

The author of that website is doing his best to confuse everyone. He interchanges books (books that are not titled "The Holy Bible") to suit his arguments.

I'll add a link in rebutle to Valsava's. If he does not believe in a creator, then he must believe in evolution, therefore, here is a website that shows how improbable evolution really is.





Evolution? I don't think so.

 

[Jeff7]

Free Jesus Button
http://www.jesusbuttons.com/free_button.html

Ok, who's pressing Jesus' buttons?

Free Jesus? What did he get arrested for? Probably child pr0n like half the catholic church, oh wait, never mind, the church is looking the other way on that and no one's getting arrested.

Good one.
No one really does know what he wears under that robe though....

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut
Given that salvation only be obtained through Jeebus, it then follows that the vast majority of the globe, at any given time, is destined for hell.

No it can't. Jebus is a city - Jerusalem.
Judges 19:10 - "But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him."

 

[AquariusX]

Originally posted by: Racketear

Originally posted by: oldfart

Unfortunately, like ALL translated works of fiction

The Christian bible is not a "work of fiction".

Thats where you are wrong. The bible is fiction, and just a story book telling you how to live life. If the bible wasnt, why wouldn noahs ark be found by now, because the thing had to be the size of 6 football stadiums, to support all the lifeforms on this planet.

Actually, they did find Noah's ark, at least what they believe it to be... and it was one freaking huge ark. Peace

 

[AquariusX]

Originally posted by: Salvador

That probably has some truth to it because most religious people are not very well educated.

Sal

Holy Smokes.... who is this dude? I've heard of stereotypes, but good grief!! :|

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001
I checked that link Valsava posted.

It has references to many different books to make all the contradictions appear to be real. A book called "Let God Be True" (1946) for example.

The author of that website is doing his best to confuse everyone. He interchanges books (books that are not titled "The Holy Bible") to suit his arguments.

I'll add a link in rebutle to Valsava's. If he does not believe in a creator, then he must believe in evolution, therefore, here is a website that shows how improbable evolution really is.

Evolution? I don't think so.

1) Earlier you mentioned that I was on your ignore list, yet you seem clearly were able to read and respond to my post just fine! Is it just that you wished and hoped very hard to yourself that you were ignoring me, but let yourself cheat a little and read some of my posts?

2) You obviously did NOT check the website very well because the site is NOT merely a list of outside sources as you suggest. It is an annotated bible that goes through each bible passage and highlights the contradictions, injustices, cruelty, etc. It's a very straightforward annotated bible...maybe you should actually visit the site before you dismiss it like you probably dismiss every non-bible religion. Linky

3) Yeah, we've already discussed your dr.dino malarkey ad nauseum. I hate to break this to you, but Christian Science is NOT SCICENCE. The last time I checked, they haven't done any real experiments published in peer-reviewed journals, and they don't participate in the process of hypothesis formulation, testing, and reformulation. In fact, the so-called articles of your website don't even have comprehensive attacks of evolutionary theory -- merely out-of-context OPINION quotes from various authors that were pulled from BOOKS and throw-away journals. Sorry, but this does not constitute proof that evolution is untrue, nor does it begin to challenge the notion that evolution is orders of magnitude more likely than there being a Jesus N Pals. Your Dr. Dino malarkey is meant to impress the non-science-oriented people, the ones who don't have the knowledge or patience to sort through the balogne, the ones who would be susceptible to believing in the ideologies of this particular church. Come to think of it i, I don't even know who Dr. Dino is, or what he/she got his doctorate in.

...but of course, I'm on your ignore list, so you aren't able to read this and therefore cannot reply to it....

Valsalva

 

[CASRA888]

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That's sort of what I do when Jehova's Witnesses and Mormon's come to my door. I don't answer it. Don't they realize that I've more than likely heard of their religion. If I want to join, I'll come looking for them. Otherwise, I wish they'd leave me the h*ll alone. While we're on the subject.. You know what gets me too? Why is it that the biggest bible huggers in the south are also the most racist? What's with that? Sal
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>>>What a lovely inaccurate stereotype...


REALLY????
You mean all those slave owners WERE'NT using the BIBLE to rationalize and justify thier ownership of slaves???
Show us ONE passage in the bible that speaks out AGAINST having slaves!
I can show you quite a few that explains how to treat them and what to do with them.
The bible is completely PRO-SLAVERY.
Disgusting.

 

[ValsalvaYourHeartOut]

Valsalva if God dosent exist according to you,why are you concerned if hes just or not?

I never explicitly stated that God didn't exist. You cannot prove or disprove that. However, I am concerned that people a) call him just, yet b) also acknowledge that he allows most of his "children" go to hell because they couldn't find Christ, even though he never gave him that opportunity.

He dosent need your help or mine to make a just decision concerning those who havent heard.He was just before you became so much wiser than he is (in your eyes),and he'll be just long after we've all left this place we call home for a time.

I don't need to be "wiser" than God to know when CERTAIN things are just or unjust. Example. An angry person guns down 5 schoolchildren and torches the school. He is arrested, but sentenced to 7 days of probation. Now, I don't need to be a judge or God, himself, to know that is unjust. If I posed that scenario to you and asked if you could determine that the outcome was unjust, would you have to say, "I dunno, cuz only God knows what is just?" I sure hope not! So given that we are able to determine when things are clearly unjust, how can you still call God a just God if he lets all those people go to hell without ever giving them a chance in Heaven?

Valsalva

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: ValsalvaYourHeartOut
Unfortunately, like ALL translated works of fiction, the original author's actual meaning is frequently altered or not fully conveyed when his words and phrases are replaced by those of a different language. Frequently, there are idioms and words that just do not translate at all, and have a connotative meaning that can only be understood in the cultural and syntactic context of the original language.

No kidding. The 6th Commandment really refers to illegal killing, i.e. murder or manslaughter, not all killing. So "Thou shalt not kill" really should be "Thou shalt not murder." Judicial killing or war is therefore not against that commandment. Not saying that anyone needs to follow any commandments, just making a point about mistranslation.

 

[huesmann]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
No it can't. Jebus is a city - Jerusalem.
Judges 19:10 - "But the man would not tarry that night, but he rose up and departed, and came over against Jebus, which is Jerusalem; and there were with him two asses saddled, his concubine also was with him."

Actually, Valsalva wasn't talking about Jebus. He was talking about Jeebus.

 

[Growltiger]

Originally posted by: CASRA888
What a lovely inaccurate stereotype... REALLY???? You mean all those slave owners WERE'NT using the BIBLE to rationalize and justify thier ownership of slaves??? Show us ONE passage in the bible that speaks out AGAINST having slaves! I can show you quite a few that explains how to treat them and what to do with them. The bible is completely PRO-SLAVERY. Disgusting.

If you will fully read the post I was responding to, you will see that the person stated that "the biggest bible huggers in the South are also the most racist." I merely wanted to point out to him that it's a gross generalization to say that people with strong religious beliefs in the South are racists. My comment had nothing to do with the slavery that in the past.

 

[calpan]

Originally posted by: Caveman2001

I'll add a link in rebutle to Valsava's. If he does not believe in a creator, then he must believe in evolution, therefore, here is a website that shows how improbable evolution really is.


Evolution? I don't think so.

I'll add a link to refute your link.
Here.

 

[Jzero]

And lastly, thread crapping is when someone is selling something in a FS/FT forum and a person comes along and speaks negatively about the item that is being sold. That is how the term has been used in computer land for many years....Get it straight Mr. Intelligent....

Badluck:
Perhaps you and everyone else in this thread should re-familiarize yourselves with the RULES OF THIS FORUM.

I'll save you a click:

What about COURTESY?

No thread crapping. If the subject matter of a deal does not interest you, do not post negative comments about it, or about other members, in the thread.

Possibly the worst examples we have had of this have been in posts for free religious items, such as bibles, etc. If you want to discuss religion, or any other such non-computer topic, do it in our Off Topic forum. The discussions in that forum cover a wide range of topics, but needless flaming and rude, mean-spirited posts are not welcome there, either.

Cheers.

 

[WHipLAsh13]

Thank you Jzero I was just about to do the same thing. I am not a religious person but this may be good information for those who are. However this is not the forum to flex your religious muscles and impose your beliefs on others. Wanna do that go to OT. It would be shame if this thread got locked because you guys can't follow the rules of this forum.

 

[NazzyG]

It's pretty plain to see how badluck got over 3500 posts...personal attacks in an attempt to get people angry.

Quantity is not quality.

 

[louiedog]

*sigh* I bet the mods are laughing at everyone on this. I'm not going to say anything on the religious debate going on because I've learned that it's infinitely easier to get a big dog in a little bathtub than sway people away from something they've been believing all their lives. The people I know that decide to change do it on their own with little influence from idiots screaming at them that they're wrong.

What I do want to say is that it's stupid to act like you shouldn't get any more worked up in here than you would in a face-to-face debate. Why not? I'm sorry to leak the breaking story before it's on CNN, but the internet is how we communicate now. Just because you can't hear or see the people you're talking to doesn't mean the words don't mean the same thing. Some people get a little bit of anonymity and feel like they can be a total jerk to everyone because who is going to know? People get worked up because they are expressing their own opinions and feelings and you just totally dump on them and you wonder why they don't like it? I don't know if it's because you got picked on in school and now that no one can hurt you back you feel the need to pick on them or what, but I think we need to be a little more understanding that there is a person on the other end.