A call to boycott Nvidia games for ATI/AMD owners

[3DVagabond]

:awe:

I know how/why a boycott works.

The purpose of this one is what? To force equal performance across vendors?

How the hell is that going to work?

Seems to not be an issue for the majority of developers to have similar performance between the two major vendors (AMD/nVidia).

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...-hd-6950-pcs-graphics-card-review-hawx-2.html

When I see differences like in the link above I wonder why such a huge difference.

 

[Keysplayr]

With the effort Nvidia does place in TWIMTBP program, it's kind of expected that after a while, people may start to notice better support/performance/features for various games on Nvidia GPUs.
It's not really something to get upset about. It's more like something to appreciate, which the OP <<<Clearly>>> does not. But the solution to his boycotting rant is so simple it eludes him. All he has to do is buy an Nvidia GPU and all his complaints go out the window.
You think I'm nuts? I don't have a better answer for the poor guy. Easier to get an Nvidia card than it is to get AMD to improve dev relations and improve gaming on their GPUs. At least I think that would be easier.

 

[3DVagabond]

With the effort Nvidia does place in TWIMTBP program, it's kind of expected that after a while, people may start to notice better support/performance/features for various games on Nvidia GPUs.
It's not really something to get upset about. It's more like something to appreciate, which the OP <<<Clearly>>> does not. But the solution to his boycotting rant is so simple it eludes him. All he has to do is buy an Nvidia GPU and all his complaints go out the window.
You think I'm nuts? I don't have a better answer for the poor guy. Easier to get an Nvidia card than it is to get AMD to improve dev relations and improve gaming on their GPUs. At least I think that would be easier.

That doesn't solve the OP's issue, whether perceived or real, it perpetuates it.

 

[Wreckage]

That doesn't solve the OP's issue, whether perceived or real, it perpetuates it.

The OP could simply buy a NVIDIA card, problem solved. :thumbsup:

 

[WelshBloke]

That doesn't solve the OP's issue, whether perceived or real, it perpetuates it.

He could stick an AMD sticker on the card.

Hell I'll do it for a small fee. :sneaky:

 

[SolMiester]

The OP still proposes that malicious code is written by NV against AMD cards for games with TWIMTBP logo....
He needs to prove this, for surely after all this time AMD would of found such code!

The OP fails to understand some game code runs better on some architectural design as apposed to others. NV adds code to use these architectural advantages, AMD does not...allegedly.

 

[SirPauly]

Your kind of choice would involve me having 2 PC's or at least 2 videocards.

Thats not much of a choice.

My choice would be games run ok on both vendors (with a bit of natural variance) and the game designers make them look as good as posible withing the standards everyone is sticking to. That way I have a choice of all the games not just the ones that run with my system.

Also stop talking like Rorschach, its scaring me.

It's nice to have different views and can have a discussion about it. I don't think one needs 2 pc's or 2 video cards but simply buy which one fits your individual needs -- that's what is wonderful about choice.

 

[Obsoleet]

Yeah, I think his complaint is NV trying to limit his choices as much as they possibly can, it's in the least of his interest to buy an NV card and make the situation even worse for himself, and all of us.

His boycott idea stands as probably the best solution for all of us to join in on, it's a market-based, consumer driven solution to stop one of the most marketing driven, not technology driven companies since its spiritual brother, Creative Labs.

I'd also recommend trying to avoid games corrupted by Nvidia. There's plenty of amazing games out there worth time.

And then they disable PhysX even if their own cards are in the system, capable of pushing PhysX. I find that unacceptable.

Ditto. That was the final straw for me too. I have a perfectly fine 8800GT sitting here that is useless other than selling for the peanuts that an old Geforce brings. Add in "Intel's Insides" and just a goon of a CEO and NV needs to just go away.

 

[WelshBloke]

It's nice to have different views and can have a discussion about it. I don't think one needs 2 pc's or 2 video cards but simply buy which one fits your individual needs -- that's what is wonderful about choice.

But what if the next greatest game that comes out only works on the other vendors videocard?

If everyone sticks to the standards then you don't have that problem.

 

[Skurge]

That doesn't solve the OP's issue, whether perceived or real, it perpetuates it.

Yeah +1

 

[Keysplayr]

That doesn't solve the OP's issue, whether perceived or real, it perpetuates it.

It would if the OP was open minded enough to see from his own results that he would get better performance from Nvidia cards. At least that is what he is telling me. He insists on sticking with AMD with a vengeance IN SPITE OF the better performance that he complains of, which is his most noticeable flaw here.
I'm not trying to flame the OP, just that all this makes little to no sense. Trying to get some Ordo ab Chao if you will.

 

[SirPauly]

ever wondered why that is?

the fact is, one sides gets ahead, then the other. they jockey, and we win because we all get more powerful hardware. it's as easy as that.

It's called competition, hehe, and if I have an opportunity to place an ideal hat on it is for this time:

nVidia and AMD are neck-and-neck in discrete share and near 50/50, with AMD having more over-all Share and for me, think it is utterly fantastic to see things so close. Why? Because this forces value and innovation and the great goodie features that offer differentiation; to try to improve upon the gaming experience for both sides.

Others may look at things differently but this is my idealism.

 

[Skurge]

But what if the next greatest game that comes out only works on the other vendors videocard?

If DIRT3 was AMD only (a friend I play with has an nV card), I would probably die inside and give up on PC gaming.

 

[Keysplayr]

But what if the next greatest game that comes out only works on the other vendors videocard?

If everyone sticks to the standards then you don't have that problem.

They are sticking to standards as a baseline. Offering more over that baseline is seemingly becoming the status quo for Nvidia. I'm sure AMD fans would like to see AMD follow suit ASAP.

 

[Keysplayr]

If DIRT3 was AMD only (a friend I play with has an nV card), I would probably die inside and give up on PC gaming.

Has this ever happened? Do you honestly forsee it happening in the future?
What dev would not at least have minimal support for both GPU makers and even upcoming Intel?
Extremist much?

 

[WelshBloke]

They are sticking to standards as a baseline. Offering more over that baseline is seemingly becoming the status quo for Nvidia. I'm sure AMD fans would like to see AMD follow suit ASAP.

I hope they dont.

I'd rather they both (along with microsoft) worked on making the standards better.

 

[3DVagabond]

The OP could simply buy a NVIDIA card, problem solved. :thumbsup:

That wouldn't even address the OP's problem, never mind solve it.

 

[Obsoleet]

I hope they dont.

I'd rather they both (along with microsoft) worked on making the standards better.

Exactly. Nvidia is the problem with this market, not the solution. The solution is a consumer based boycott of their products. That's the only way we'll be heard by the clowns at Nvidia.

 

[Keysplayr]

I hope they dont.

I'd rather they both (along with microsoft) worked on making the standards better.

But you see, both ARE following the standards. AMD especially, sticks to the basic standards. Rarely offering anything over the top in but a few scattered games here and there. Standards isn't the problem. The problem is the uprising against a company that has been going way beyond the norm and goes the extra mile with numerous devs on numerous game through TWIMTBP and gives more. Sometime a little, and sometimes a lot more.

So you see, it's not really a problem.

 

[Keysplayr]

Exactly. Nvidia is the problem with this market, not the solution. The solution is a consumer based boycott of their products. That's the only way we'll be heard by the clowns at Nvidia.

Yeah, they'll hear you allright.

"Nvidia, we will not buy your products until you reduce the performance of your cards in games equivilent to AMDs offerings and performance."

How many weird looks do you think that would snag.
Honestly guys, this is the dumbest idea I've heard in a long time.

Ok, you guys have fun now. This is all the keystrokes I'll put in to this topic.

/cheers.

 

[SolMiester]

I still ask, has AMD or anyone else for that matter identified this malicious code against AMD?

 

[WelshBloke]

But you see, both ARE following the standards. AMD especially, sticks to the basic standards. Rarely offering anything over the top in but a few scattered games here and there. Standards isn't the problem. The problem is the uprising against a company that has been going way beyond the norm and goes the extra mile with numerous devs on numerous game through TWIMTBP and gives more. Sometime a little, and sometimes a lot more.

So you see, it's not really a problem.

Given that no games push the standards we have at the moment, I'd rather they did that first before going off on their own.

 

[Obsoleet]

But you see, both ARE following the standards. AMD especially, sticks to the basic standards. Rarely offering anything over the top in but a few scattered games here and there. Standards isn't the problem. The problem is the uprising against a company that has been going way beyond the norm and goes the extra mile with numerous devs on numerous game through TWIMTBP and gives more. Sometime a little, and sometimes a lot more.

So you see, it's not really a problem.

Wellllll.... if they were innovating in a way that benefited everyone, people would probably see that as a positive and buy more of their cards to support the true innovators. Instead they use that power to stifle PC gaming and try to limit people to just their products. I think it'd work out better if they weren't trying to destroy PC gaming but rather would make it better for everyone, even competitor's products.

As of now, it's in PC gamer's interests to see Nvidia go away, and replaced by another company with a different mindset, than to encourage the behavior.

 

[load81]

Exactly. Nvidia is the problem with this market, not the solution. The solution is a consumer based boycott of their products. That's the only way we'll be heard by the clowns at Nvidia.

Lol cmon now why is it Nvidia's problem AMD can't optimise and work with developers like them? There are reasons AMD cards are cheaper.

 

[Obsoleet]

Lol cmon now why is it Nvidia's problem AMD can't optimise and work with developers like them? There are reasons AMD cards are cheaper.

The reason is that they are better designed with superior engineering. Always have been. Read the white papers.

There is really nothing NV cards can do, that AMD cards cannot for the most part.. thats where the real problem with the "optimizations".