A call to boycott Nvidia games for ATI/AMD owners

[Skurge]

It's called competition, hehe, and if I have an opportunity to place an ideal hat on it is for this time:

nVidia and AMD are neck-and-neck in discrete share and near 50/50, with AMD having more over-all Share and for me, think it is utterly fantastic to see things so close. Why? Because this forces value and innovation and the great goodie features that offer differentiation; to try to improve upon the gaming experience for both sides.

Others may look at things differently but this is my idealism.

All we then would need is devs to actually build games that make use of these cards. Even with all this Gaming Evolved and TWIMTP nonsense, they don't make games look any better. The tessellation is HAWX2 is non existent and DX11 in BC2 doesn't almost nothing. So Whats the piont of making games run faster if they still look no better than games that came out 3-4yrs ago.

Call of pripyat is one of the most demanding DX11 game right now and it looks like this, seriously?

They can't even blame console as its PC exclusive.

 

[load81]

The reason is that they are better designed with superior engineering.

Oh is that why their new architecture couldn't beat a refresh?

 

[WelshBloke]

All we then would need is devs to actually build games that make use of these cards. Even with all this Gaming Evolved and TWIMTP nonsense, they don't make games look any better. The tessellation is HAWX2 is non existent and DX11 in BC2 doesn't almost nothing. So Whats the piont of making games run faster if they still look no better than games that came out 3-4yrs ago.

Call of pripyat is one of the most demanding DX11 game right now and it looks like this, seriously?

They can't even blame console as its PC exclusive.

You get a round of applause for me there.

 

[Skurge]

Lol cmon now why is it Nvidia's problem AMD can't optimise and work with developers like them? There are reasons AMD cards are cheaper.

You mean the $700 5970s? Or even the $1200 special versions that blow everything out of the water optimizations be damned?

Yeah I can see your point.

 

[SolMiester]

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There is really nothing NV cards can do, that AMD cards cannot for the most part.. thats where the real problem with the "optimizations".

I think this bit for the most part is correct, however NV did it 1st as in multi GPU, CUDA\Compute and Phyx, and it is generally accepted that the developer or 1st to market will get the lions share.

AMD fail, because they dont have developers and marketing to push their product\feature, and missed the opportunity. Well, thats the way I see it. Now its just sour grapes!

 

[Obsoleet]

Oh is that why their new architecture couldn't beat a refresh?

You said AMD were cheaper because of the lack of AMD corrupting games like Nvidia does. I said no, they are cheaper because they are better designed with superior engineering which enables cheaper, smaller, more efficient chips.

AMD is an engineering driven company.
Nvidia is a marketing driven company.

You don't buy from marketing driven companies.

 

[load81]

You mean the $700 5970s? Or even the $1200 special versions that blow everything out of the water optimizations be damned?

Yeah I can see your point.

I didn't consider the out of the ordinary cards.

You said AMD were cheaper because of the lack of AMD corrupting games like Nvidia does.

I said "reasons" not "reason". If Nvidia was corrupting games I'm sure AMD would of found out by now rofl

 

[Skurge]

Oh is that why their new architecture couldn't beat a refresh?

I was waiting for this, 5970 ring a bell? That 18month old card? You know, the fastest one in the world.

 

[Skurge]

I didn't consider the out of the ordinary cards.



I said "reasons" not "reason". If Nvidia was corrupting games I'm sure AMD would of found out by now rofl

I didn't know the 5970 wasn't a retail card. Im pretty sure my friend has one. Maybe I was imagining things. Like that GTX495 I saw last week.

 

[load81]

2 cards in 1 ring a bell

 

[SolMiester]

I was waiting for this, 5970 ring a bell? That 18month old card? You know, the fastest one in the world.

The more benchies I see, the more I realise your assessment of GTX bandwidth bottlenecks. Even with the 1Gb limit on the 5970, it beats the 1.5Gb 580 at high resolution, which reverses in a number of games at lower res!
I hope they fix this with Kepler!

 

[Keysplayr]

You said AMD were cheaper because of the lack of AMD corrupting games like Nvidia does. I said no, they are cheaper because they are better designed with superior engineering which enables cheaper, smaller, more efficient chips.

AMD is an engineering driven company.
Nvidia is a marketing driven company.

You don't buy from marketing driven companies.

I'll say this, for someone that at one time wanted to join the focus group, you sure dislike Nvidia now. I can't help but laugh at what you're saying here. Nvidia's Fermi is an engineering feat in and of itself. Much like GT200 was. You confuse "large" with inefficiency. They aren't synonyms. And judging by the AMD presence around here, AMD sure as hell is a marketing company as well. They even got you believing Nvidia is evil while AMD is angelic. How do you suppose that happened? And now I'm wondering why I'm responding to you. LOL. Sorry. Lost my head.

 

[Skurge]

2 cards in 1 ring a bell

Looks like one to me.

Wait, are you doing this deliberately? :hmm:

 

[Skurge]

I'll say this, for someone that at one time wanted to join the focus group, you sure dislike Nvidia now. I can't help but laugh at what you're saying here. Nvidia's Fermi is an engineering feat in and of itself. Much like GT200 was. You confuse "large" with inefficiency. They aren't synonyms. And judging by the AMD presence around here, AMD sure as hell is a marketing company as well. They even got you believing Nvidia is evil while AMD is angelic. How do you suppose that happened? And now I'm wondering why I'm responding to you. LOL. Sorry. Lost my head.

Same way you believe the opposite I guess. Just replace Evil with useless.

 

[Skurge]

The more benchies I see, the more I realise your assessment of GTX bandwidth bottlenecks. Even with the 1Gb limit on the 5970, it beats the 1.5Gb 580 at high resolution, which reverses in a number of games at lower res!
I hope they fix this with Kepler!

I think some of that is the texture fillrate advantage it has.

 

[OCGuy]

You mean the $700 5970s? Or even the $1200 special versions that blow everything out of the water optimizations be damned?

Yeah I can see your point.

You could blow out a $1200 5970 with $450 worth of GTX460s.

 

[Keysplayr]

Same way you believe the opposite I guess. Just replace Evil with useless.

Believing is a bit different from knowing. You believe, I know. That's how we differ perhaps. Even I don't think AMD is useless.

 

[Rifter]

This thread is insane, most of what i was going to say has been covered by other posters and not even responded to by the OP so there is no point in trying. I'll keep this short.

Prove it, you make accusations with NO PROOF.

Benchmarks only prove that Nvidia is spending there time and money to help developers code games to work with their hardware which is a wide known fact and nothing new. AMD is not helping developers and when asked by developes has said no many times, this is there choice but then they have to live with the fact that those games will run better on Nvidia hardware due to nvidia putting in the time/money. Obviously this means that those games will run better on Nvidia hardware, it does not mean Nvidia is hurting performance on AMD hardware.

For thoser saying Nvidia should help code games to run on AMD hardware as well are you on crack? The point of a company is to make your company money, not help your direct competetion make money when they are to cheap to put in the money to help themselves. Not only that but without access to AMD hardware how are they supposed to optimize code for it, or are you suggesting AMD gives Nvidia access to their hardware?

 

[badb0y]

lol, I love it when people disregard the HD 5970.

If Fermi is a engineering feat, that makes the 5970 an engineering god, 18 months and still top dog.

You can argue semantics all you want but that's how it's always going to be. nVidia and AMD are different companys with different strategies, it's a known fact that AMD quit going after the single GPU crown a long time ago, their model since the failure of HD 2000 series, is always is to build a good mid-range chip, then scale it up.

The most interesting thing is that the 6970 is actually creeping up to a GTX 580 and with every successive generation it seems to get closer.

 

[OCGuy]

lol, I love it when people disregard the HD 5970.

If Fermi is a engineering feat, that makes the 5970 an engineering god, 18 months and still top dog.

You can argue semantics all you want but that's how it's always going to be. nVidia and AMD are different companys with different strategies, it's a known fact that AMD quit going after the single GPU crown a long time ago, their model since the failure of HD 2000 series, is always is to build a good mid-range chip, then scale it up.

The most interesting thing is that the 6970 is actually creeping up to a GTX 580 and with every successive generation it seems to get closer.

This post belongs in this thread, that is for sure!

 

[badb0y]

This post belongs in this thread, that is for sure!

Jesus why are you not banned? You keep taking jabs at people, add something to the thread or GTFO.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/images/perfrel_1920.gif
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/images/perfrel_2560.gif

Go ahead twist the facts I will wait here .

This thread is completely baseless and offensive, us GPU enthusiasts need both AMD and nVidia to succeed and compete that's the only way we will see progress.

Post number 151 in this thread. Boy don't you feel stupid now?

 

[Firestorm007]

lol, I love it when people disregard the HD 5970.

If Fermi is a engineering feat, that makes the 5970 an engineering god, 18 months and still top dog.

You can argue semantics all you want but that's how it's always going to be. nVidia and AMD are different companys with different strategies, it's a known fact that AMD quit going after the single GPU crown a long time ago, their model since the failure of HD 2000 series, is always is to build a good mid-range chip, then scale it up.

The most interesting thing is that the 6970 is actually creeping up to a GTX 580 and with every successive generation it seems to get closer.

+1. It's called ignoring reality. Because in the real world the 5970 is still top dog for over a year now. Now, let me grab my popcorn while I wait for someone to respond with the real tired and "old" crappy driver defense. And I definitely know who that'll be.

 

[Firestorm007]

Believing is a bit different from knowing. You believe, I know. That's how we differ perhaps. Even I don't think AMD is useless.

Sure you do.

 

[Wreckage]

If Fermi is a engineering feat, that makes the 5970 an engineering god, 18 months and still top dog.

2 chips that are barely faster than 1 chip..... uhmazin!!!

 

[yh125d]

2 chips that are barely faster than 1 chip..... uhmazin!!!

Regardless, fastest card (I dont know about you, but I usually buy the whole card not just the silicon) for 14 months and counting. Meanwhile, it took nvidia another year to have a card close to it, which is still a little slower and at no power advantage.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/297?vs=305

whooooooooooooosh