A few thoughts on partitioning

SUOrangeman

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This post was originally a response to a thread I read in General Hardware. 90 minutes and two pages later, I figured that this deserved its own thread.

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Who's the guy who wrote the diatribe called "Dissertation on Partitioning?" Oh, wait. That was me.

I never posted the update to my dissertation. Hell, I didn't even pen the update yet. But, I still have the original, if anyone is interested.

First, partitioning in required if you ever want to use a hard drive. When was the last time you connected a brand new, out-of-the-static-bag drive to your system and you copied files to it immediately. Does never sound about right? Well, that is because you need to create at least one partition on the hard drive to make it usable.

Having multiple partitions on one hard drive is VERY DIFFERENT than "partitioning."

I am very much a fan of using multiple partitions. However, it is essential to establish multiple partition for the proper reasons ... if you want to see any benefits, that is.

If you ever want to natively use more than one non-Windows operating system, using multiple partitions is a must. The key thought there is native. Yes, you can have many OSes on one partition (ala Lin4Win and the like), but that's probably not the usual native nature of the underlying OS.

If you are only using MS operating systems (but, more than one), you are likely to find yourself better off if you employ multiple partitions. The last Microsft OS you install will declare itself the "king" of your system ... and it will probably do so without informing you. It has the potential to ruin any other MS install you've already got running. Having access to beta MS code and an elitist demeanor (when it comes to PCs, at least), I prefer to separate my Windows installs via multiple partitions.

Since every MS OS loves to use drive C: for booting, I purposely have set aside a small partition for C: ... even though I never install Windows directly to C: (regardless of version). There is no rule in Windows stating that you must install to C: (as in C:\Windows, C:\WINNT, or C:\Program Files). Yes, C: is usually set aside as a default ... and each install of Windows will put some important files on C:, but you are by no means obligated to use it in that fashion. I use my C: drive strictly for DOS utilities (Ghost, BIOS flashing, etc.), temp files, and virtual memory. All of my Windows installs use that space in the same manner. Why have a swap/page file for each Windows install when you can use the same file for all of them? How often do you use more than one install of Windows simultaneously on the same PC?

If your system doesn't fall in any of the above scenario, then you are running only one version of Windows on your system. At this point, I can only think of one real good reason to have multiple partitions: You want to physically limit the amount of disk space for a particular set of files. Again, being elitist (or anal, take your pick), I limit my personal files to 2GB. After all, how many zillions Word files will I ever need? I think I've been using multiple partitions on my system ... even for Windows ... for many years now. Taking a look at my personal files, I'm only using 1.27GB. I mean, I've got years of archived e-mail, photos, and defunct web pages ... and it still only takes up a little more than 1GB of space.

Better organization is often claimed as another benefit using multiple partitions. I have been very guilty of this line of thinking in the past. BUT, THIS THINKING CAN BACKFIRE! I used to have separate partitions for games, MP3s, and software downloads. It was probably along the lines of 10GB/40GB/30GB. Guess what happened. One day I actually filled up my MP3 partition and nearly had a panic attack (OK, so it wasn't that bad). But, at that point, my seemingly perfect partition/organization scheme was nearly rendered useless. I wanted more MP3s ... and I wanted more space on my dedicated MP3 partition. I could have played the PartitionMagic game, but who's to say that the same thing wouldn't happen to me a few days/weeks/months from now? I learned that lesson quickly, and now have one huge partition were I lump things like game installs, MP3s, downloads, Ghost images, etc.

Using multiple partitions can also protect data to a certain extent. If you keep personal files on your OS partition, you will have to back them up elsewhere before you have to reformat and reinstall the OS. If you have a separate partition for personal files, you can muck around with the OS partition as much as you want knowing that your data is safely intact somewhere else. Just realize that this is not a perfect "backup" methodology. As has been mentioned, if your hard drive dies, your personal files die with it ... even if you've used a separate partition. At least implement a seconday backup routine that involves a completely separate medium ... be it CD, DVD, Zip, or another hard drive.

As for the defrag argument, I would not let that be my basis for using multiple partitions.

-SUO, a guy who likes multiple partitions

P. S.: Small diversion here. I really dislike the notion of installing the OS to one partition and programs to another. I'm not saying that it doesn't work. It just doesn't make much sense to me. If you have to format the OS partition, chances are that your registry will go with it. You may very well have to reinstall the apps anyway just to get them working again. Yes, some apps will work without a reinstall. I just doubt that every programmer out there is savvy enough to "registry-proof" their code.

P. P. S: For those who have multiple Windows installs and a common "programs" partition ... why even bother with multi-booting if you are going to run the same apps regardless of the OS?
 

igiveup

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you are going to make some surgeon rich with all of the carpal tunnel work you will have to have done....
 

neilm

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Good pointers there, but I'm still undecided which way is the best. Having a partition for each OS? (bootmode: partition1: windows; partition2: linux) and so on. Like having your OS and all the files belonging to that OS into one partition.. and maybe having an extra partition for personal saved files (no apps).
 

corkyg

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Concur with the diatribe. I have always used multiple partitions. That means there are basically two - a primary and an extended. The virtual drives are in the Extended Partition.

Why? Well, there are lots of things such as Temporary Internet Files and the Windows Pagefile that are constantly changing, and that pushes everything around causing constant fragmentation and "de-optimization." Those puppies are better off in isolation.

As for multiple OS's - separate partitions are good - but separate HDDs are even better. Use a HDD drive selector such as Trios or mobile racks with on/off switches. That discreet arrangement is sort of bulletproof insofar as cross contamination goes.
 

SUOrangeman

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neilm, you've pretty much got an understanding of what I said. To run Windows and Linux on the same machine *natively*, you will need at least one partition for each OS. I just go a little further to keep personal documents to themselves.

corky, unfortunately, there are a few x86 OSes that must occupy a primary partition. You you may know, your are limited to four true partitions per hard drive. Only of of those four (order doesn't really matter) can be an extended partition which in turn, can hold numerous (20 or so?) logical volumes. I found thus far then, when in native form,

FreeBSD 4/5 requires one primary partition
QNX 6.2 - one primary
DOS/Windows - one primary
Solaris x86 - two primary (one for booting, other for the OS)
Linux - one logical or primary
BeOS 5/MAX - one logical or primary

And who cares about carpal tunnel? I'm ready for a Gigabit port to be implanted into the back of my neck!

-SUO
 

Nothinman

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Sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read all of that.

But my basic philosophy is keep it as simple as possible. I usually have /, /boot, /home seperate partitions and 1 swap partition per physical drive. Seperating /usr, /tmp, /var, etc is just asking for trouble.
 

sak

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
Sorry, I couldn't bring myself to read all of that.

But my basic philosophy is keep it as simple as possible. I usually have /, /boot, /home seperate partitions and 1 swap partition per physical drive. Seperating /usr, /tmp, /var, etc is just asking for trouble.

lol..yeah man i mean do u really expect ppl to read all that.. i would help u out but i am not even going to start reading that..good luck though..i dont think thats much help though

but ok..i have a 120gb drive and at first what i did was partitioned it in 6 drives 10gb of OS and the rest for 20GB with the last one being i think 23gb...but i soon reliazed that man there just to many drives i have..which is to much of a hassle after i have used it..also another thing i see what that my drives were like never totally full and i'd worry about getting stuff of them to clear some space even thought i have lotta space on the other drives..it's like and addition..so the fill drive was never being used..

so now i am using a 9gb OS drive and then 20Gb for program files and other crutial drives then 42gb and a 42gb..i think that will make use of my drive more efficently..

hopes that helps
 

Innoka

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"P. S.: Small diversion here. I really dislike the notion of installing the OS to one partition and programs to another. I'm not saying that it doesn't work. It just doesn't make much sense to me. If you have to format the OS partition, chances are that your registry will go with it. You may very well have to reinstall the apps anyway just to get them working again. Yes, some apps will work without a reinstall. I just doubt that every programmer out there is savvy enough to "registry-proof" their code."
For a start, you choose to overlook very successful ghosting backups of operating system partitions alone. Why mention reformatting? Reformatting is almost never necessary and typically reflects failure of the user to keep a backup anyway. Reformat is mentioned far too often by people as a panacea for bad hardware drivers, as if modern Windows is still a mess of proprietary replaced system files and without restore functions.
Why don't you instruct us how to back up full registries that would restore settings instead of hinting at the necessity of reformats. That is something I would like to learn.

"P. P. S: For those who have multiple Windows installs and a common "programs" partition ... why even bother with multi-booting if you are going to run the same apps regardless of the OS"
Faulty logic. A common program partition does not render all programs common to multiple installations. Self evidently the different operating systems are for different needs or they would not be there, typically compatibility needs. But you are right, the same program destination can serve multiple operating systems so the method saves space.

If you would like to prove your worth on drive structures, I wish you would show us how to install multiple operating systems successfully with the various boot managers around, such as Bootmagic, System Commander and OS selector, which are really interesting. I can think of 5 operating systems I would like on the same physical disk, including two Windows ME for games with two different graphics cards in two different slots. I would rather not have to use multiple hard disks. Acronis OS selector promises the possibility of a hundred OSes on one drive, but who would dare to try out the claim when their documentation leaves critical information unanswered, such as under what scheme will partitions be visible to each installation?


 

SUOrangeman

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Innoka! Now, you are talkin' I'll get right on your request.

I need you to ship me one of these and one of those. Give me roughly a week to get them up and running (I do have a full-time job, ya know) and another two weeks to run through all of the configurations. Oh yeah, do you mind if I use you license keys for the installs?

-SUO
 

Barnaby W. Füi

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lol..yeah man i mean do u really expect ppl to read all that.. i would help u out but i am not even going to start reading that..good luck though..i dont think thats much help though

Is it really that much? It took me all of maybe two minutes to read. Nice work, SUOrangeman!
 

Nothinman

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I really dislike the notion of installing the OS to one partition and programs to another. I'm not saying that it doesn't work. It just doesn't make much sense to me. If you have to format the OS partition, chances are that your registry will go with it. You may very well have to reinstall the apps anyway just to get them working again. Yes, some apps will work without a reinstall. I just doubt that every programmer out there is savvy enough to "registry-proof" their code.

Every win32 app I use (minus MS' crap) works just fine after a format without a reinstall. And for those that don't I keep a .reg file around with their registry entries so I just double-click that and it adds the information back into the registry.
 

AndyHui

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Finally!

Clean it up a little and I'll put it into the system.
 
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