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Idontcare

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Oct 10, 1999
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Interesting.

What temp would hurt a typical cpu then?

You looking for the academic response (Arrhenius and such) or the layman's (sh!t don't burn till it burns) type response?

The thermally activated stuff is all Fick's second law driven (temperature and time), reflow of the solder and so on. That is happening at all temperatures above absolute zero, but Arrehnius gives us a rule of thumb that says the rate at which it happens is going to double roughly every 10C increase in temps.

Like the destabilization of metastable diamonds, given enough time at room temperature the CPU will be "hurt". But the academic response is probably not very satisfying.

At 130C and full volts an IC might last a few months at continuous load, perhaps a year. They are generally built to survive 10yrs at the max temp range in the spec. For 2600K that is 98C.

Increase your temp to 108C and that 10 yrs becomes 5 yrs (Arrhenius equation governing the kinetics of rate-limited degradation mechanisms), increase it to 118C and it becomes 2.5yrs, 128C becomes 1.125yrs.

Go higher than that and the thermal degradation mechanisms continue to become more restrictive on lifespan but another more serious issue comes into play - solder reflow and the sheer stress involved from the mismatch in coefficients of thermal expansion.

This happen outside the CPU chip itself, but within the CPU package, and it kills the CPU for all practical purposes. Its what killed Nvidia's GPUs in the infamous "bumpgate" debacle and it is what will kill your CPU if you take it much above 130C (say the 140-150C territory).
 

natto fire

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How did I miss this before? Great thread all around, thanks for bumping kylejmck, glad you got your system working right. Great info in your post Idontcare.
 

kylejmck

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Just checking in guys. It has now been maybe 7 years since I have had this processor. Still works fantastic. I replace thermal paste annually, dust out the fans every 6 months. Processor is still one of the top performing processors on benchmark sites. I think it's safe to say, my 1k processor was a good investment

http://imgur.com/a/BDGFp
 
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zinfamous

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Just checking in guys. It has now been maybe 7 years since I have had this processor. Still works fantastic. I replace thermal paste annually, dust out the fans every 6 months. Processor is still one of the top performing processors on benchmark sites. I think it's safe to say, my 1k processor was a good investment

http://imgur.com/a/BDGFp

wuuuuuut.


Oh, I see you had been here before. Kudos, man.
 

kaesden

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i remember working at a pc store back in the day of AMD thunderbirds when idiots would come in and ask why their cpu didnt work anymore after they 'tested' it before installing into their case by powering it up with no heatsink. thinking it was a defective cpu since it started smoking basically instantly. They weren't happy when they had to buy a new chip, often only to install it(poorly) and crack the core and end up buying yet another cpu and finally paying for us to build it for them.
 

kaesden

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i remember working at a pc store back in the day of AMD thunderbirds when idiots would come in and ask why their cpu didnt work anymore after they 'tested' it before installing into their case by powering it up with no heatsink. thinking it was a defective cpu since it started smoking basically instantly. They weren't happy when they had to buy a new chip, often only to install it(poorly) and crack the core and end up buying yet another cpu and finally paying for us to build it for them.
 

HerrKaLeu

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I read this the first time and of course had to chuckle. Kudos to kylejmck for coming out and defending him/herself. We all did stupid things, often because we overthink things.

I share a stupid thing I did. In 2001 or so I bought a PC with an Athlon 1400 (I don't recall the actual name, it was the highest clocked CPU at the time at 1.4 GHz). it was a 1000+ Euro PC (my current i7 PC cost much less!!!). There was the pencil trick to unlock it. I had never installed a CPU or cooler before and had no idea if the board support was needed to actually OC. I just wanted to OC. At the time there was not much with PC forums in German language. So I just removed the cooler (there was no heat spreader!), did what I thought had to be done to pencil the graphite over those pins, re-mounted cooler. And then nothing, PC didn't work.

So I contacted the store and claimed warranty and acted stupid (which was not hard to do....). They had me send the PC back. So to the post office and off it went.
Some days later they mail me they found the CPU scratched (probably from me meddling with the cooler) and offered to install new CPU if I pay for it. Unfortunately the 1400 MHz CPUs were in short supply, so the best they could get me was a 1.33 GHz for about 300 euros, which was a fair price at the time.

So I was out over 300 Euros plus shipping, had no PC for some days and ended up with a slower CPU. And no, I did not try again to OC that CPU. Oh and I didn't have a car and had to carry the PC in a box to and from the post office 3-4 km 3 times in total.
All later PCs where built by myself with good components, and no problems. If nothing else, I learned my lesson.
 
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