A Guide: How not to sat stupid things about Egypt

TareX

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A Guide: How Not To Say Stupid Stuff About Egypt

The past few days I have heard so many stupid things from friends, blogs, pundits, correspondents, politicians, experts, writers that I want to pull my hair. So, I will not beat around the bush, I will be really blunt and give you a handy list to keep you from offending Egyptians, Arabs and the world when you discuss, blog or talk about Egypt. Honestly, I would think most Progressives would know these things, but let’s get to it.

“I am so impressed at how articulate Egyptians are.” Does this sound familiar? Imagine saying this about a Latino or African American? You don’t say it. So don’t say it about Egyptians. Gee, thank you oh great person who is of limited experience and human contact for recognizing that out of 80 million people some could be articulate, educated and speak many languages. Not cool. Don’t say it. You may think it, but it makes you sound like a dumb ass.

“This is so sad”: No, sad were the thirty years of oppression, repression and torture.

“What they did to the Mummies is horrible”: Yes, but who did it? Think, Mubarak, for years has been playing the “I am the stabilizing force”. The one thing you know about Egypt, the stuff that was underground and from the past, you will be distraught and find the protestors to be disgusting. Yet it was not the protesters who did it. In Alexandria, the young people protected the library. Did anyone carry that story? Statement from the Director of the Alexandria Library:
The library is safe thanks to Egypt’s youth, whether they be the staff of the Library or the representatives of the demonstrators, who are joining us in guarding the building from potential vandals and looters. I am there daily within the bounds of the curfew hours. However, the Library will be closed to the public for the next few days until the curfew is lifted and events unfold towards an end to the lawlessness and a move towards the resolution of the political issues that triggered the demonstrations.

“The Muslim Brothers are Terrorists” Maybe you should look at their English Website, or try something easy like this link Check this out:
The Muslim Brotherhood is not on the U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organizations list. It renounced violence in the 1970s and has no active militia.

Nevertheless, the Muslim Brotherhood or Ikhwan Al Muslimun in Arabic, is frequently mentioned in relation to groups such as Hamas and Al Qaeda.

“The Twitter Revolution”. No, this is the Revolution of the Egyptian people. Egyptians resisted for decades. They were tortured, jailed and repressed by the Mubarak and Sadat regimes. Twitter and Facebook are tools. They did not stand in front of the water canons, or go to jail for all these years to get the credit. There were demonstrations all summer long and for a several years through out Egypt but they are rarely covered, because we are worried about what Sarah Palin said, or some moronic Imam saying something stupid. Does it sound a bit arrogant to take credit for a people’s struggle?

“The women are so brave”: Egyptian women have always been brave. If you want to know about Sadat’s Egypt, read Nawal El Saadawi’s memoir while in jail. Memoirs from the Women’s Prison
“Al Jazeera has come to it’s own”: Al Jazeera has been on it’s own, you just only noticed. . Do you think you believed the Bush administration spin about Al Jazeera? Just maybe you believed the bullshit? They must be doing something right if all the factions on the ground want to shut them down. The tyrants, the US and the Israelis. Hmm, maybe they are speaking truth to power?

“Mubarak kept the peace treaty”: So, what do you think, if the Egyptian people choose another government, they will go to war with Israel? Maybe they will demand a few more things from Israel in how they negotiate with the Palestinians. Maybe Gazans will get better treatment? Maybe the balance of power will not be tipped over to Israel? Egypt protests: Israel fears unrest may threaten peace treaty. Hmm, so we should support the oppression of 80 million Egyptians for a false stabilization?

“If they get Democracy they will elect extremists”. Imagine if the world said that about America. The Tea Party threatens world stability, as did the Bush administration. How would you like if others used that as a threat to support an autocrat who made all opposing parties illegal? In truth, US politics threaten world stability more than Egypt does. Second, the implication is that democracy is not to be trusted in the hands of “certain” nations, people and religions is offensive, racist and ignorant. You do not claim to value human rights, democracy and freedom and then you make exclusions based on race, nationality and religion. Don’t say this shit.

“The people are so nice”: Yes they are, it’s your ignorant self that assumed they are all terrorists and fanatics. What did you think? Glad you went to Egypt and found the Egyptians nice. After all, they do have a cosmopolitan civilization of over 5,000 years, yet you reduced them to “rag heads” , “jihadists”, “ali babas”, “terrorists”, the list is endless. Imagine saying this about African Americans? Asians? Nope. Just don’t fucking say it. It’s patronizing.

It’s time Egyptians were heard. It’s time the pundits and “Egypt hands” (old recycled western diplomats) were retired. These people were as good at predicting the current events as our economists were in predicting the economic calamity. I am glad you all got to see things from Egypt outside your comfort zone. Maybe now, you can give Egyptians and Arabs some respect. The people in Egypt are struggling for human rights, dignity and freedom. Like the rest of us, they want the economic means to care for their families. Break down those closed ideas that dehumanize the Arab and Egyptian people in general. That is all I ask.

http://sarthanapalos.wordpress.com/2011/01/31/a-guide-how-not-to-say-stupid-stuff-about-egypt/

EDIT: My thoughts (since it's apparently against the rules not to include them):

- Unlike what I'm seeing on many US news channels: This is NOT A RELIGIOUS UPRISING. The MB are not behind this, nor have they been participating in it during the first 3 days.

- From what is being reported on the news, twitter, and from my family and friends in 4 separate locations is Cairo, and in Alexandria: the looters are NOT the protesters. Even the Egyptian TV is starting to show the truth to the people now (since the regime is officially being overhauled): The looters are either Amn Markazy (Central Security forces - the hated police who've been dismantled on Friday night after failing to disperse the crowds, and released as armed thugs on private homes and business), or released prisoners and criminals. Criminals have confessed on TV that the police released them with a green light to take whatever they wanted from the country. Trailer trucks guarded by armed police thugs were seen robbing the major malls in the country.

- The protesters are actually divided into shifts. One protects the neighborhood, and another joins the protest.

- There are 8 million Egyptians on the street today. This is not a sectarian or religious movement. A prevalent chant in Liberation square is: "We want a civil state! Not religious, not sectarian!"

- The fear mongering against the MB on US news is just horrible. They managed to grab 20% of the spots in the country, with only 7-10% of the voting population showing up at the polls. When the youths who were generally extremely passive towards the corrupt elections make an appearance in free elections, this 20% could even be further diluted.

- I think the US State Dept is handling this pretty well. Egyptians will renounce any regime that seems to be "installed" by the US, so most US talks should be -as they currently are, behind closed doors. With Hillary's announcement that the US supports a "transition", it's pretty clear that Mubarak is stepping down. Probably by Friday.
 
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olds

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I promise to not sat any stupid things about Egypt.

And where's your commentary?
 

Kadarin

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“The people are so nice”: Yes they are, it’s your ignorant self that assumed they are all terrorists and fanatics. What did you think? Glad you went to Egypt and found the Egyptians nice. After all, they do have a cosmopolitan civilization of over 5,000 years, yet you reduced them to “rag heads” , “jihadists”, “ali babas”, “terrorists”, the list is endless. Imagine saying this about African Americans? Asians? Nope. Just don’t fucking say it. It’s patronizing.

Egypt had a brilliant civilization that was conquered by the Romans, and what was left was subsequently fucked up by Islam, and Egypt hasn't really accomplished much of note since.
 

bfdd

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While I agree with some of this, the way it is written is extremely condescending and assumes Americans are idiots.
 

Lemon law

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Well said by our OP, but the only thing I fail to notice is the critics saying our OP had no commentary when it was almost 100% commentary.

All I can say is the Egyptian people are showing the world a 100% class act revolution and that the Egyptian people are capable of national unity without violence. A new model that may lead a new Arab world.
 

bfdd

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Well said by our OP, but the only thing I fail to notice is the critics saying our OP had no commentary when it was almost 100% commentary.

All I can say is the Egyptian people are showing the world a 100% class act revolution and that the Egyptian people are capable of national unity without violence. A new model that may lead a new Arab world.

I definitely support the Egyptian people in their revolution.
 

TareX

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Well said by our OP, but the only thing I fail to notice is the critics saying our OP had no commentary when it was almost 100% commentary.

All I can say is the Egyptian people are showing the world a 100% class act revolution and that the Egyptian people are capable of national unity without violence. A new model that may lead a new Arab world.

Thank goodness; I was starting to think I was "doing it wrong". This isn't a piece of news, this is commentary.

I just think US news channels -like any other "industry"- know that words like "Islamic brotherhood" and "Al-Qaeda" keep their ratings high, regardless of the situation they're covering, and while I know the hundreds of thousands of men, women, children and entire families in Egypt camping on streets waiting for tomorrow's 1-million man marches to commence won't give a damn about what's being said in the US, I thought it's worth addressing.
 

TareX

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And I'd also like to add -and that's coming straight from the people at Liberation Square (Tahrir square), the square hasn't been as clean as it now (with 400,000 people camping there) in a long, long time.

Regardless of how long this lunatic stays in power (not for long, I hope), the extraordinary scenes of volunteerism will forever persist in the minds of all Egyptians sharing this uprising for basic human rights:

(Video in English)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5GSfSRY2PQ

.....here's for tomorrow. Tomorrow is the million man march. Friday is the farewell march (farewell to Mubarak, hopefully).
 
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olds

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Thank goodness; I was starting to think I was "doing it wrong". This isn't a piece of news, this is commentary.

I just think US news channels -like any other "industry"- know that words like "Islamic brotherhood" and "Al-Qaeda" keep their ratings high, regardless of the situation they're covering, and while I know the hundreds of thousands of men, women, children and entire families in Egypt camping on streets waiting for tomorrow's 1-million man marches to commence won't give a damn about what's being said in the US, I thought it's worth addressing.
But it's not your commentary. Your name is Tarek. The author of the article is Kasr.
 

TareX

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But it's not your commentary. Your name is Tarek. The author of the article is Kasr.
Hmm... well it seems I was doing it wrong. I'd like to point out her name is Sarah; Kasr El-Nil is the name of one of the iconic bridges crossing the Nile. It was the location of one of the police's attempts to run over the masses with their vehicles.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Pfft objective facts.

They're not going to stop the right wing nuts around here spewing their bullshit.
 
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feralkid

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While I agree with some of this, the way it is written is extremely condescending and assumes Americans are idiots.




It assumes some Americans are under-appreciative of Egypt's culture, and they could avoid appearing as idiots by heeding the writer's advice.

Condescending? not so much.
 
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"Imagine if the world said that about America."

wow that's deep stuff TareX I didn't expect anything this deep here and ESPECIALLY not from you.
how much more generic can you get?
 

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“What they did to the Mummies is horrible”: Yes, but who did it? Think, Mubarak..

It's not that I don't think the whole conspiracy of Mubarak being responsible for the mummie's isn't plausible, but in going with the simplest explanation is usually right the best theory I've heard so far is that they were fundamentalist muslims that were responsible because one of the tenants of islam that these people follow is that everything from the world before Islam must be destroyed. Same as with the Buddha statues in Afghanistan destroyed by the Taliban.
 

manimal

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Best way to not sound dumb about Egypt is not mention western interests at all....
 

MovingTarget

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Honestly I agree with the article posted. Mubarak's time is up. He may have been a US ally, but to support him in opposition to Egypt's people would be a betrayal of our soul as a nation. Our support must always fall in support of the people of a nation instead of the leaders, despite the short-term risk of a power vacuum. Godspeed, Egypt. May you come out of this struggle with the government that you have deserved for so long.
 

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Well said by our OP, but the only thing I fail to notice is the critics saying our OP had no commentary when it was almost 100% commentary.

All I can say is the Egyptian people are showing the world a 100% class act revolution and that the Egyptian people are capable of national unity without violence. A new model that may lead a new Arab world.

He cut/pasted an page of text.

While it may represent his feelings (because he chose it); according tot he rules, he is supposed to ad some orignial thought.

Where is it?
 

Texashiker

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Does the SAT test say stupid things about Egyptians?

What is this thread about anyway?
 
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