Did you read my posts? My main point was that this whole indignation is pointless, and no good will come of it. Let it go.
Happy drunk is more fun than angry drunk. :beer:
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: MrPickins
How is this any different from what everyone else has been telling you?
Because your answers in my semi-drunk mind are not rational. What I'm hearing from you all is that it's ok to just ignore a burning house. I'm hearing that you think it's ok that a professionally trained doctor should just hoard his skills and knowledge when he had an opportunity to use them. He had no idea that she would be ok, what if she really needed his help and the five minutes that it took first responders could have cost her life? Sure I'm stretching things a bit, but the "what if's" would have compelled me to do something if I were in his shoes. To say otherwise is irrational to me.
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
So a house catches on fire in our neighborhood tonight, pretty much destroying the entire house. Smoke is billowing from it and covering our small community. Just about all our neighbors including myself go to check on the occupants, in this case a young lady (no pics). Yet one of our resident doctors (doing his residency here at Duke) continues to mow his grass as if nothing is going on. Fire engines, ambulances, and police have converged on the house a mere block away from him.
Am I right in thinking this guy is an ass? I had a great letter I was going to tape to his door, but my wife won't let me. Should I do it?
The letter:
It's not his job to enter a burning house. Also, once first responders arrive, a doctor is essentially excused from his hipocratic duties (assuming they took them).
A lot depends on how deep they are into their residency: meaning how jaded they have become after responding to emergency situations. usually Good Samaritan laws protect them, but the insurance industry and litigating public have basically waged war on the medical profession over recent decades, essentially sapping their will to do any favors for anyone. Sucks, but there it is.
You're right, I don't think he should have entered a burning house and in this case there was no need to. And I appreciate the only rational response to this thread. It's just that common decency would have compelled most men into action. This guy, not so much.
How is this any different from what everyone else has been telling you?
Because your answers in my semi-drunk mind are not rational. What I'm hearing from you all is that it's ok to just ignore a burning house. I'm hearing that you think it's ok that a professionally trained doctor should just hoard his skills and knowledge when he had an opportunity to use them. He had no idea that she would be ok, what if she really needed his help and the five minutes that it took first responders could have cost her life? Sure I'm stretching things a bit, but the "what if's" would have compelled me to do something if I were in his shoes. To say otherwise is irrational to me.
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: MrPickins
How is this any different from what everyone else has been telling you?
Because your answers in my semi-drunk mind are not rational. What I'm hearing from you all is that it's ok to just ignore a burning house. I'm hearing that you think it's ok that a professionally trained doctor should just hoard his skills and knowledge when he had an opportunity to use them. He had no idea that she would be ok, what if she really needed his help and the five minutes that it took first responders could have cost her life? Sure I'm stretching things a bit, but the "what if's" would have compelled me to do something if I were in his shoes. To say otherwise is irrational to me.
Did you read my posts? My main point was that this whole indignation is pointless, and no good will come of it. Let it go.
Happy drunk is more fun than angry drunk. :beer:
Originally posted by: TehMac
Also, it's not cool to be a redneck. There's nothing wrong with being more of a rustic type or liking Nascar, but a redneck suggests deliberate and forced mental retardation. Your note does nothing to help ease that stereotype.
What would that achieve? Would it make you feel better you harassed someone who may not really give a shit about your HOA bull shit? I think you should examine all the things you value so much and realize not everyone gives two flying craps about a HOA meeting, he's a DOCTOR. They work, get money, like anyone else.
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: TehMac
Also, it's not cool to be a redneck. There's nothing wrong with being more of a rustic type or liking Nascar, but a redneck suggests deliberate and forced mental retardation. Your note does nothing to help ease that stereotype.
What would that achieve? Would it make you feel better you harassed someone who may not really give a shit about your HOA bull shit? I think you should examine all the things you value so much and realize not everyone gives two flying craps about a HOA meeting, he's a DOCTOR. They work, get money, like anyone else.
:laugh:
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Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: MrPickins
How is this any different from what everyone else has been telling you?
Because your answers in my semi-drunk mind are not rational. What I'm hearing from you all is that it's ok to just ignore a burning house. I'm hearing that you think it's ok that a professionally trained doctor should just hoard his skills and knowledge when he had an opportunity to use them. He had no idea that she would be ok, what if she really needed his help and the five minutes that it took first responders could have cost her life? Sure I'm stretching things a bit, but the "what if's" would have compelled me to do something if I were in his shoes. To say otherwise is irrational to me.
Did you read my posts? My main point was that this whole indignation is pointless, and no good will come of it. Let it go.
Happy drunk is more fun than angry drunk. :beer:
Bah you make sense now. Drunk is wearing off. Damn you all! GOOD NIGHT ATOT, YOU PUSSIES!!!!
P.S. I still love you all <smooches>
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: Riceninja
Also OP, you sound increasingly butthurt with each reply. It seems like you started the thread because you thought everyone would be on your side and things just aren't working out for you.
Go watch Lakeview Terrace. You are pretty much Samuel L Jackson's role personified.
You're right. I did start the thread thinking that most living, human beings with a heartbeat would help their neighbor in a time of need. I guess that doesn't apply to ATOT, which is fine since I don't live next to you pussies.
Plus I started the thread after 3 sam adams. Not a good idea, soon enough I shall revert back to my lurking ways and you epussies can go back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: Riceninja
Also OP, you sound increasingly butthurt with each reply. It seems like you started the thread because you thought everyone would be on your side and things just aren't working out for you.
Go watch Lakeview Terrace. You are pretty much Samuel L Jackson's role personified.
You're right. I did start the thread thinking that most living, human beings with a heartbeat would help their neighbor in a time of need. I guess that doesn't apply to ATOT, which is fine since I don't live next to you pussies.
Plus I started the thread after 3 sam adams. Not a good idea, soon enough I shall revert back to my lurking ways and you epussies can go back to your regularly scheduled programming.
and that got you drunk...or even slightly buzzed?
...the pussification of OP continues...
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
So a house catches on fire in our neighborhood tonight, pretty much destroying the entire house. Smoke is billowing from it and covering our small community. Just about all our neighbors including myself go to check on the occupants, in this case a young lady (no pics). Yet one of our resident doctors (doing his residency here at Duke) continues to mow his grass as if nothing is going on. Fire engines, ambulances, and police have converged on the house a mere block away from him.
Am I right in thinking this guy is an ass? I had a great letter I was going to tape to his door, but my wife won't let me. Should I do it?
The letter:
It's not his job to enter a burning house. Also, once first responders arrive, a doctor is essentially excused from his hipocratic duties (assuming they took them).
A lot depends on how deep they are into their residency: meaning how jaded they have become after responding to emergency situations. usually Good Samaritan laws protect them, but the insurance industry and litigating public have basically waged war on the medical profession over recent decades, essentially sapping their will to do any favors for anyone. Sucks, but there it is.
You're right, I don't think he should have entered a burning house and in this case there was no need to. And I appreciate the only rational response to this thread. It's just that common decency would have compelled most men into action. This guy, not so much.
Originally posted by: GenHoth
I've read 4 pages and it didn't occur that he might not be able to help? He's a trained doctor but he doesn't have any of his tools available and burns are probably not his specialty anyway. It's like condemning an electrician without his tools for not coming to help solve your leaky pipes. What's he going to do? Look at her and say 'Oh, those are bad. Call an ambulance?'
For all you know, he is a radiologist and knows nothing about emergency medicine. Also, I would assume that EMTs are far more capable and used to working with the limited resources that one has in the field.Originally posted by: AmigaManHe's a doctor, trained to respond in situations like these. I guess where I grew up and the people I knew, if someone was in trouble, you went and helped as best you could.
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
A doctor or THE doctor?
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
He has an OBLIGATION to help as a doctor.
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Never bothers to come to the HOA meetings, never participates in community events like the picnic we had last year.
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
He has an OBLIGATION to help as a doctor.
No, he didn't. Nobody, I repeat, NOBODY, has the right to determine what is or is not the "duty" of another person. Two (or more) people can agree upon their duties through a contract, but even then it is the individuals deciding to accept that duty and enter into the contract. Becoming a doctor is not a contract. You have no right to expect him to endanger his safety for someone else.
Your wife is under "obligation" because she has placed herself under that obligation. The obligation is not a result of the training, it is a result of your wife's personal desires. She desires to be obligated, and therefore she is. That doesn't mean the doctor is required to feel the same way.
Originally posted by: AmigaMan
Never bothers to come to the HOA meetings, never participates in community events like the picnic we had last year.
Oh no! He doesn't want to be part of an overly-restrictive bureaucracy that infringes on personal freedoms and property rights! How dare he dislike the HOA! He should embrace those ridiculous busybodies who try to control everyone else's actions and just be a good little peon for the power-tripping wackos that make up the HOA.
And sorry, but community events are BS. I can think of about a thousand better things to do than go to a community-sponsored picnic, such as cleaning my bathroom. I don't know why you think that the HOA leaches have any right to his time at a community picnic, but that's just ridiculous.
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I believe you left out some significant digits on that 3" figure.Originally posted by: DrPizza
OP, you and your neighbors were not at the fire to "help." The firemen and EMT's do not need your help. You were there for entertainment. Your boring little middle class lives needed a new topic of gossip for the next week or so. "Did you see how her hair was burnt? I'll bet she fell asleep while smoking..." Kudos to your neighbor for staying out of the way and for keeping his grass between the 2 3/4" to 3" as required by the HOA.
Then stop hoarding your skills and knowledge.Originally posted by: wiredspider
I work with computers, but it doesn't mean I try to go around fixing everyone's computer just because I see them laden with virus, spyware, etc..
If the guy never interacts with you, how do you even know he is a doctor? Maybe he just has a doctorate in like English literature... lol
Originally posted by: GenHoth
I've read 4 pages and it didn't occur that he might not be able to help? He's a trained doctor but he doesn't have any of his tools available and burns are probably not his specialty anyway. It's like condemning an electrician without his tools for not coming to help solve your leaky pipes. What's he going to do? Look at her and say 'Oh, those are bad. Call an ambulance?'
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Kaervak
I'm an EMT, if you don't have any first aid training (no TV shows don't count) stay out of it. Call 911 and let us deal with. The less you're involved, the less patients we will have to treat. As far as anyone that isn't a firefighter entering a burning building, please don't. It's not like the movies where if you shine a flashlight around you can see where you're going. It's pitch black inside a burning a building and if you enter without a tow line and a charged hose, you will die. I know a lot of firefighters and you're doing them a favor by not getting involved.
As far as this guy not getting involved, no one knows his reasons except for him. I don't know what the laws are like where you live, but here in Ohio if we're not on duty we have no legal obligation to get involved. After a hard 12 hour shift, if I were to see something similar, I'd call 911 and stay out of it unless the situation was incredibly severe. And, the first rule of EMS is our personal safety. If the scene at any point in time becomes unsafe, we pull out. We're of no use to anyone if we are also injured.
We do appreciate people's willingness to help, but please don't be a hero and don't put your hands on someone unless you know what you're doing. Case in point, remember the video of the guy that got hit by a car and got flung up into the air and people just kept walking by? When my aunt was talking about it, the first thing she said is "I would have gone and put a blanket under his head." Wrong, incredibly wrong. Unless you know how to manually immobilize the cervical spine, keep your hands off. Again, if you don't know what you're doing, please do not get involved. You are just making more work for us.