A is for Abstinence

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

you just stressed the importance of moderation, so why can't sex be moderated??? why can't it be doled out as part of a healthy lifestyle? this is what is usually taught, 1 partner for a period of time, no 1 night stands, etc... in order to develop a healthy relationship

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

no, i didn't.... but one piece of chocolate pie isn't gonna cost me my life like one piece of a$$ might. see the difference?

if you're diabetic it might cost you your life. and if you are careful about how and who you have sex with, it won't cost you your life either

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

Condoms don't prevent you from contracting disease. Why are you spreading disinformation that could put people at risk?

Condoms are not recommended for preventing:

Genital ulcer diseases -- genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid -- and human papillomavirus are primarily transmitted through contact with infected skin or mucosal surfaces.
While some epidemiologic studies have demonstrated lower rates of HPV infection among condom users, most have not. It is particularly difficult to study the relationship between condom use and HPV infection because HPV infection is often intermittently detectable and because it is difficult to assess the frequency of either existing or new infections. Many of the available epidemiologic studies were not designed or conducted in ways that allow for accurate measurement of condom effectiveness against HPV infection.
Protection against genital ulcer diseases and HPV depends on the site of the sore/ulcer or infection. Latex condoms can only protect against transmission when the ulcers or infections are in genital areas that are covered or protected by the condom. Thus, consistent and correct use of latex condoms would be expected to protect against transmission of genital ulcer diseases and HPV in some, but not all, instances.
Source: Center for Disease Control "Fact Sheet for Public Health Personnel," CDC Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm January 23, 2003

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Hey Rip, selectiving pointing out what you want people to hear...

How about

Condoms can help prevent:

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), as well as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis -- the discharge diseases -- are transmitted when infected semen or vaginal fluids contact mucosal surfaces (e.g., the male urethra, the vagina or cervix).

from the same article, just above the part that you selectively quoted? Oh, those must not be diseases in your book...sorry.

"Condoms can help prevent" means that you can still get those diseases even with condom use.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

Condoms don't prevent you from contracting disease. Why are you spreading disinformation that could put people at risk?

Condoms are not recommended for preventing:

Genital ulcer diseases -- genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid -- and human papillomavirus are primarily transmitted through contact with infected skin or mucosal surfaces.
While some epidemiologic studies have demonstrated lower rates of HPV infection among condom users, most have not. It is particularly difficult to study the relationship between condom use and HPV infection because HPV infection is often intermittently detectable and because it is difficult to assess the frequency of either existing or new infections. Many of the available epidemiologic studies were not designed or conducted in ways that allow for accurate measurement of condom effectiveness against HPV infection.
Protection against genital ulcer diseases and HPV depends on the site of the sore/ulcer or infection. Latex condoms can only protect against transmission when the ulcers or infections are in genital areas that are covered or protected by the condom. Thus, consistent and correct use of latex condoms would be expected to protect against transmission of genital ulcer diseases and HPV in some, but not all, instances.
Source: Center for Disease Control "Fact Sheet for Public Health Personnel," CDC Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm January 23, 2003

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Hey Rip, selectiving pointing out what you want people to hear...

How about

Condoms can help prevent:

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), as well as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis -- the discharge diseases -- are transmitted when infected semen or vaginal fluids contact mucosal surfaces (e.g., the male urethra, the vagina or cervix).

from the same article, just above the part that you selectively quoted? Oh, those must not be diseases in your book...sorry.

"Condoms can help prevent" means that you can still get those diseases even with condom use.

Condoms don't prevent you from contracting disease. Why are you spreading disinformation that could put people at risk?

Condoms are "not recommended" for preventing:


Works both ways Rip, a technicality in words.

Doesn't say that they don't prevent.

You guys can preach all you want....it's not going to stop people from having pre-marital sex. Anything short of chastity belts isn't going to stop it and even then, oral sex would still occur. The best program is to teach both abstinance and condom/contraceptive usage. Anything else is a partial solution at best.

 

[Riprorin]

Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

I also wonder how it is known that this reduction in HIV is due to abstinence, as opposed to condom use or other changes in sexual behaviors. Is this just assumed, or are there convincing studies pointing to a dramatic increase in individuals "abstaining" from sex?

Although promotion of condom use has been a part of Uganda's HIV/AIDS prevention strategy, the concept of "True Love Awaits" - an abstinence-until-marriage program launched in 1994 and supported by schools and religious organizations - is credited with bringing down the infection rate.

That's just more hearsay. Everyone has an agenda to push re: this issue, it seems - why should I believe those claims or consider them to be reliable?

I would like to see some actual studies. Is it actually known that people are not having sex in Uganda, or is this just assumed? Condom use, or other changes in sexual practice (for example, people switching to less risky activities than insertive vaginal or anal intercourse) could also account for the reduction in HIV.

 

[Riprorin]

Will you believe a Harvard study?

Some life-and-death statistics
Uganda Winning the Battle Against AIDS - Using Abstinence:
Harvard Study Finds HIV Rates Drop 50 Percent in 8 Years

by Sarah Trafford

Uganda may be on its way to wiping out AIDS by using the ancient though unfashionable values of chastity and fidelity, a new Harvard University study finds.

According to the study, abstinence education has shown significant effectiveness in reducing AIDS in Uganda, with the HIV infection rate dropping 50 percent between the years 1992 and 2000.

The east African nation is making a big impact with the revelation that the AIDS epidemic can be curbed. Riddled with HIV infections since the 1970s, Uganda has found miraculous success by using abstinence as its prevention strategy. Promotion of abstinence through billboards, radio programs and school sex education curricula has resulted in a slow and steady drop in HIV infection rates, as well as new attitudes about conquering AIDS in Uganda.

``Uganda is one of the countries that attach great importance on promoting abstinence among our youth," said Ahmed Ssenyomo, minister counselor at the Ugandan Embassy, in a speech to the African American Youth Conference on Abstinence.

When the program started in the late 1980s, the number of pregnant women infected with HIV was 21.2 percent. By 2001, the number was 6.2 percent. The Harvard study also reported Ugandan adults are not having as much risky sex: of women 15 and older, those reporting many sexual partners dropped from 18.4 percent in 1989 to 2.5 percent in 2000.

The emphasis on abstinence in Uganda's program is unique. In other nations with high HIV infections, such as Zimbabwe and Botswana, condoms have been promoted as the answer to ending the AIDS crisis. In Botswana, 38 percent of pregnant women were HIV positive in 2001, contrasted with 6.2 percent of Ugandan women.1

Much of the Ugandan program's success is due to the nation's willingness to look beyond the sexual revolution to the past.

```What we're seeing in parts of Africa is communities responding to the epidemic by saying, `Let's see what's in our culture - how can we deal with this with what we had in the past?' " Susan Leclerc-Madlalas, a medical anthropologist at the University of Natal in South Africa, told the Associated Press. ``What they had most of the time was a way of regulating sexuality."

Many AIDS officials reject abstinence as a potential prevention strategy despite evidence that promotion of abstinence and fidelity have significantly reduced AIDS cases in Uganda over the past decade.

``Millions and millions of young people are having sexual relations," said Paolo Teizeria, director of Brazil's AIDS program, at the 14th International AIDS Conference. ``We cannot talk about abstinence. It's not real."

Abstinence is often dismissed as a potential prevention method. Condom promotion and ``safe-sex" initiatives have long been thought to be the answer to stopping the spread of HIV: Instead of encouraging people to curb their libidos, these initiatives have tried to provide ``safer" ways of exercising them. However, in many African nations condoms aren't looked upon kindly: there are a variety of urban legends that circulate in some regions that condoms are either ethnic cleansing tools or actually spread HIV themselves. (During the Cold War, the Soviet KGB spread ``disinformation" that the United States created the AIDS virus to kill off Africans.)

``Ugandans really never took to condoms," Dr. Vinand Nantulya, an infectious disease advisor to Ugandan leader Yoweri Museveni, told The New Republic.

The abstinence initiative in Uganda goes far beyond those who are already having sex - it starts with the education and promotion of an abstinence program for youth called ``True Love Waits." Thirty thousand Ugandan youth are currently involved with the program. Launched in Uganda in 1994, True Love Waits focuses on abstinence until marriage as a way to prevent all sorts of adverse consequences associated with extra-marital sexual activity.2

``Encouraging marriage, monogamy or abstinence, delaying the onset of sexual activity, discouraging promiscuity and casual sex, reducing the supply and demand of illegal drugs or providing treatment to drug addicts ... are the absolutely most effective approaches to reducing the risk of HIV," Rep. Mark Souder (R-Indiana) and six other members of the U.S. Committee on Government Reform said in a letter to the United Nations.

The United States and other countries have yet to embrace abstinence promotion as a mode of AIDS prevention. The United Nations recently predicted that AIDS will wipe out half the population in some African countries. In Uganda, the proverbial sun is starting to shine from the rain cloud of AIDS deaths - and it's looking brighter.

Sarah Trafford is an intern for the Culture & Family Institute of CWA and a Political Science major at The College Of Wooster in Wooster, Ohio.

Footnotes:

1 A Reuter report of 1 February 2003 quotes the Botswana Health Minister, Joy Phumaphi, at the launch of a new programme to combat AIDS: ``We will treble the annual distribution of condoms and have them available within one kilometre of 85% of the population.'' The report goes on to say that more than a third of the people aged 15 to 49 have HIV in Botswana, and that the country has handed out 21 million condoms over the last decade. The government now plans to sell 14 million iver the next four years at cost price.

2 There is a similar program in Zimbabwe, supported by the Ministry of Education, called ``Worth The Wait.''



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[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

you just stressed the importance of moderation, so why can't sex be moderated??? why can't it be doled out as part of a healthy lifestyle? this is what is usually taught, 1 partner for a period of time, no 1 night stands, etc... in order to develop a healthy relationship

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

no, i didn't.... but one piece of chocolate pie isn't gonna cost me my life like one piece of a$$ might. see the difference?

I think the difference is that you could probably get some pie.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

You're a deluded fool who lives in a reality of your own making.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

You're a deluded fool who lives in a reality of your own making.

Thanks for sharing.

Merry Christmas and all the best in the New Year!

-Charlie

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

And those who had sexual eduation courses which covered contraceptives would know that. You should probabily direct your PSA to people who were unfortunate to take the abstinence-only course.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

If freedom of expression bothers you, maybe this is the wrong place for you.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

And those who had sexual eduation courses which covered contraceptives would know that. You should probabily direct your PSA to people who were unfortunate to take the abstinence-only course.

But they don't know that.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

And those who had sexual eduation courses which covered contraceptives would know that. You should probabily direct your PSA to people who were unfortunate to take the abstinence-only course.

But they don't know that.

Point me the way to the uninformed who claim "Condoms will guarantee prevention of STDs, AIDs and whatever" and I shall join you in mocking them.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

And those who had sexual eduation courses which covered contraceptives would know that. You should probabily direct your PSA to people who were unfortunate to take the abstinence-only course.

But they don't know that.

Point me the way to the uninformed who claim "Condoms will guarantee prevention of STDs, AIDs and whatever" and I shall join you in mocking them.

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A poll in OT would be interesting.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

If freedom of expression bothers you, maybe this is the wrong place for you.

Freedom of expression? Forcing your repressive Puritan morality on others goes far beyond mere "expression". You already know that, of course. It's just another hypocritical diversions to avoid addressing any of the points I raise.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
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A poll in OT would be interesting.

If you're referring to Forsythe, he concluded that condoms are effective but of course not 100%. I'm sure I made the analogy before but it's kinda like seat belts. They work, but yeah, they can crap up and end up killing you but what can you do right?

A poll in ATOT would be interesting as long as the choices are fair.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

If freedom of expression bothers you, maybe this is the wrong place for you.

Freedom of expression? Forcing your repressive Puritan morality on others goes far beyond mere "expression". You already know that, of course. It's just another hypocritical diversions to avoid addressing any of the points I raise.

I don't think I have the ability to force anyone to abstain from sex.

What's really bothering you?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: TuxDave

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Link

A poll in OT would be interesting.

If you're referring to Forsythe, he concluded that condoms are effective but of course not 100%. I'm sure I made the analogy before but it's kinda like seat belts. They work, but yeah, they can crap up and end up killing you but what can you do right?

A poll in ATOT would be interesting as long as the choices are fair.

And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe... -Forsythe

Set up the poll and I'll review it for fairness.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

And besides, where did you get the report saying condoms don't work 100%? I just searched some danish sites, which said that condoms where 100% safe... -Forsythe

Set up the poll and I'll review it for fairness.

Scroll down to read the rest of his posts. I'll think about the poll for a later time unless you get it done. I'm working right now. I'm actually trying to figure a way how NOT to bias the poll in my favor because the moment any choice says 100% or guaranteed for anything, that'll bias people to not vote for that choice.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

If freedom of expression bothers you, maybe this is the wrong place for you.

Freedom of expression? Forcing your repressive Puritan morality on others goes far beyond mere "expression". You already know that, of course. It's just another hypocritical diversions to avoid addressing any of the points I raise.

I don't think I have the ability to force anyone to abstain from sex.

What's really bothering you?

:roll:

Yet another hypocritical diversion to avoid addressing my points. One of the many reasons you have so little credibility. You love to troll, hate to actually discuss. Your loss.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Just be aware that when use a condom you can still get pregnant or cause a pregnancy, a STD, or AIDS.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.

In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

K, thanks.

I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

If freedom of expression bothers you, maybe this is the wrong place for you.

Freedom of expression? Forcing your repressive Puritan morality on others goes far beyond mere "expression". You already know that, of course. It's just another hypocritical diversions to avoid addressing any of the points I raise.

I don't think I have the ability to force anyone to abstain from sex.

What's really bothering you?

:roll:

Yet another hypocritical diversion to avoid addressing my points. One of the many reasons you have so little credibility. You love to troll, hate to actually discuss. Your loss.

Yes, and when you eat, you can choke or get food poisoning. When you swim, you can drown. When you shower, traverse stairs, or work on a ladder, you can fall and strike your head. When you go to work, school, or church, you can die in a traffic accident. So what? Normal, rational people do not strive to remove all risk from their daily lives. They strive to find a reasonable balance between risk and reward, between cowering in a bomb shelter and living a full and happy life.
In reality, you don't really care about pregnancy and STDs. You simply want to impose your own repressive Puritan morality on others. Since you're not my partner, kindly stay the hell out of my bedroom (and living room, kitchen, back yard, or anywhere else I choose to engage in legal, consensual sexual activities). The same applies to others' children. Screw up your own kids if you must. Butt out of everyone else's lives.

Please help me to find a point here.

 

[Engineer]

I tell you what Rip, how about we do it the traditional Republican way (if there is such a thing as traditional republican anymore). Smaller governement - let the governement stay out of it on both sides (all sides) and the people take care of themselves (i.e. you take care of yourself and your kids, I'll take care of mine, Africa takes care of it's own, etc)?

We don't need any money spent on these socialist activities anyway.

 

[joshw10]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

You supposedly have sons right? Bwahahahha.....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: joshw10

Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm going to teach my kids to abstain from sex until marriage and to find a mate who has the same values so they don't screw up their lives by having an unplanned pregnancy, or by getting a STD or the AIDS virus.

You supposedly have sons right? Bwahahahha.....GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

I have one of each.