A is for Abstinence

[joshw10]

http://www.africana.com/newswi...ge_article.asp?ID=1195

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: joshw10
http://www.africana.com/newswi...ge_article.asp?ID=1195

D is for Denial.

 

[Steeplerot]

:laugh:

 

[Farkshiatdamn]

W is for stupid fvcking moron.

 

[phillyTIM]

B is for Bush - the posterboy for Abstinence.

 

[Red Dawn]

The 12 STI's of Christmas

Probably not work safe

 

[Riprorin]

It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

 

[beyoku]

Abstinence works for me.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents** you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

EDIT: **should really be "reduces risk of transmission" as opposed to "prevents".

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

The article credits success to a President who made HIV a high priority, spoke about it at every opportunity, and who invested money into public education, testing, & treatment.

If those people respond to an abstinence 'message' then great. They WERE also offered information about safer sex practices, & condoms, tho. So it's not like the Bush program, which calls for restriction of information about the effectivenenss of condoms in reducing transmission of HIV, and total focus on an abstinence only message. I also wonder how it is known that this reduction in HIV is due to abstinence, as opposed to condom use or other changes in sexual behaviors. Is this just assumed, or are there convincing studies pointing to a dramatic increase in individuals "abstaining" from sex?

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

The article credits success to a President who made HIV a high priority, spoke about it at every opportunity, and who invested money into public education, testing, & treatment.

If those people respond to an abstinence 'message' then great. They WERE also offered information about safer sex practices, & condoms, tho. So it's not like the Bush program, which calls for restriction of information about the effectivenenss of condoms in reducing transmission of HIV, and total focus on an abstinence only message. I also wonder how it is known that this reduction in HIV is due to abstinence, as opposed to condom use or other changes in sexual behaviors. Is this just assumed, or are there convincing studies pointing to a dramatic increase in individuals "abstaining" from sex?

Although promotion of condom use has been a part of Uganda's HIV/AIDS prevention strategy, the concept of "True Love Awaits" - an abstinence-until-marriage program launched in 1994 and supported by schools and religious organizations - is credited with bringing down the infection rate.

 

[CubicZirconia]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
It worked pretty well in Uganda.

Sexual Abstinence Behind Uganda's AIDS Success Story

"Credit is partly attributed to President Yoweri Museveni, who came to power in 1986, restored political stability, and led an aggressive anti-AIDS campaign by encouraging HIV-testing, abstinence and the use of condoms.

You must have "accidentally " skipped over the bolded text. Or didn't you get past the headline?

edit: This article presents so much conflicting information it's impossible to claim it as a success story for condoms or abstainance.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

Condoms don't prevent you from contracting disease. Why are you spreading disinformation that could put people at risk?

Condoms are not recommended for preventing:

Genital ulcer diseases -- genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid -- and human papillomavirus are primarily transmitted through contact with infected skin or mucosal surfaces.
While some epidemiologic studies have demonstrated lower rates of HPV infection among condom users, most have not. It is particularly difficult to study the relationship between condom use and HPV infection because HPV infection is often intermittently detectable and because it is difficult to assess the frequency of either existing or new infections. Many of the available epidemiologic studies were not designed or conducted in ways that allow for accurate measurement of condom effectiveness against HPV infection.
Protection against genital ulcer diseases and HPV depends on the site of the sore/ulcer or infection. Latex condoms can only protect against transmission when the ulcers or infections are in genital areas that are covered or protected by the condom. Thus, consistent and correct use of latex condoms would be expected to protect against transmission of genital ulcer diseases and HPV in some, but not all, instances.
Source: Center for Disease Control "Fact Sheet for Public Health Personnel," CDC Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm January 23, 2003

Link

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

while condoms have been effective (when used properly) to prevent pregnancy... new studies show that while the porous material is small enough to stop semen from penetration, the hiv virus, which is constucted of molecules much smaller than that of sperm, can easily pass through it's pores.

i'm sorry i don't have a link to this, but i assure you, it's a reality. condoms are not effective against most std's. outside of any morality (which i think has a place in this discussion) the only way to "control your own fate" in terms of sexual dangers is abstinence.

 

[judasmachine]

Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I'm just saying some of the girls I've met that are supposed to be chasted are anything but chasted. I totally believe we should be more responsible as it isn't just a personal issue, if someone contracts HIV, they then turn around and give it to others. That is where it becomes a crime in my book. We do need to teach people to be responsible, it's just hard when the urge to fvck comes along with the oppurtunity. Most will chase that natural impulse first. Education is the only way, if it leads to celibacy or abstinence then great. But at least they will know to use a condom and that they are never 100% effective.

Mmmmm chocolate pie...........................

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: joshw10
http://www.africana.com/newswi...ge_article.asp?ID=1195

D is for Denial.

Originally posted by: Farkshiatdamn
W is for stupid fvcking moron.

Looks like we have 2 winners!

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

you just stressed the importance of moderation, so why can't sex be moderated??? why can't it be doled out as part of a healthy lifestyle? this is what is usually taught, 1 partner for a period of time, no 1 night stands, etc... in order to develop a healthy relationship

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

 

[digiram]

I think Aids or hiv or whatever is a designer disease created by some lunatic conservative scientist that couldn't get any action!!!

just playing!!!, lol

and Merry Christmas to all!!! that includes liberals, conservatives, and maybe even neocons.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

Most people wouldn't be ashamed to eat chocolate pie in the middle of Times Square. What you're comparing eating the pie to, however....

Sexual acts are on a different level of behavior.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: beyoku
Abstinence works for me.

Works for you, in what way? Prevents you from contracting disease? There are less extreme ways of doing that, like using condoms.

Condoms don't prevent you from contracting disease. Why are you spreading disinformation that could put people at risk?

Condoms are not recommended for preventing:

Genital ulcer diseases -- genital herpes, syphilis, and chancroid -- and human papillomavirus are primarily transmitted through contact with infected skin or mucosal surfaces.
While some epidemiologic studies have demonstrated lower rates of HPV infection among condom users, most have not. It is particularly difficult to study the relationship between condom use and HPV infection because HPV infection is often intermittently detectable and because it is difficult to assess the frequency of either existing or new infections. Many of the available epidemiologic studies were not designed or conducted in ways that allow for accurate measurement of condom effectiveness against HPV infection.
Protection against genital ulcer diseases and HPV depends on the site of the sore/ulcer or infection. Latex condoms can only protect against transmission when the ulcers or infections are in genital areas that are covered or protected by the condom. Thus, consistent and correct use of latex condoms would be expected to protect against transmission of genital ulcer diseases and HPV in some, but not all, instances.
Source: Center for Disease Control "Fact Sheet for Public Health Personnel," CDC Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm January 23, 2003

Link

Hey Rip, selectiving pointing out what you want people to hear...

How about

Condoms can help prevent:

Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), as well as gonorrhea, chlamydia, and trichomoniasis -- the discharge diseases -- are transmitted when infected semen or vaginal fluids contact mucosal surfaces (e.g., the male urethra, the vagina or cervix).

from the same article, just above the part that you selectively quoted? Oh, those must not be diseases in your book...sorry.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

you just stressed the importance of moderation, so why can't sex be moderated??? why can't it be doled out as part of a healthy lifestyle? this is what is usually taught, 1 partner for a period of time, no 1 night stands, etc... in order to develop a healthy relationship

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

no, i didn't.... but one piece of chocolate pie isn't gonna cost me my life like one piece of a$$ might. see the difference?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: slurmsmackenzie

Originally posted by: judasmachine
Abstinence would work but it directly defies human nature. Our impulses are to have sex, and whereas I do believe we need to be more responsible about it, I still feel that ultimately it will fail. Visit a youth church group when the adults aren't there, abstinence my arse! I got laid more by church girls than anyone else when I was actually going to one.

human nature? that's just it. as thinking beings we have a duty to our species to exercise responsibility with privilage. i have a desire to eat chocolate pie for breakfast, but if i wanna live past 45, then i'll exercise some control, and have it sporatically, within the confines of a balanced diet. not because eating pie is a sin, but cuz the regulation of such is essential if i wanna use this body for any length of time.

Tell that to your average 17/18 year old. I guess the hormones aren't part of human nature either?

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Gen Stonewall

you didn't say anything about abstaining from your chocolate pie, now did you?

Most people wouldn't be ashamed to eat chocolate pie in the middle of Times Square. What you're comparing eating the pie to, however....

Sexual acts are on a different level of behavior.

I'M not the one who compared chocolate pie in the first place. i would rather compare it to a weekly sort of activity that humans must go through. kinda like going to the bathroom