A Legit Intel vs AMD gaming pc question.

[Topweasel]

Topweasel: Understandable and i wasn't trying to provoke you i was just asking the question and you seemed to imply im some fanboy who can't see past my blind love of company X. I was just asking if this was the case or if people have had this happen/experience this before but if its not im going to have to continue to fiddle and uninstall and waste time trying to figure it out cause Intel does give considerably better frame rates. Thats undeniable. But in the current state im experienceing i would take 30% less frames for the "smoother" subjective game play if i can't figure out what the go with it is.

No, what I am telling you is that I can be at times a blind fanboy that would love nothing else but to say that Intel CPU's are the worst gaming processors because their platforms are horrible for that task do to stuttering or slow game play. What I can't do is say that with a straight face, because it isn't the case.

So what that means is that you have a bottleneck somewhere. Memory, HDD, Sound, BIOS, Drivers, Mouse, heck maybe even monitor. Maybe there is an incompatibility like Motherboard A doesn't get along with Video Card B.

I do think its possible you are running into a "feeling" rather then cold hard numbers. But that is just one of a dozen things you could be running into. But none of those are "because it is an Intel CPU".

 

[amenx]

The Skyrim forums are full of people with everything from Athlon IIs to 2600Ks complaining about choppiness in parts of the game. While CPU speed does help, certain bits of Skyrim are simply not implemented very well.

That was the case early on when the game was released. But it was due to bad in-game coding which was resolved with patches, and that was quite a while back ago. Happy to say for last several weeks my Skyrim play is as smooth as butter on a i5-760/gtx570 machine.

 

[Denithor]

Try installing the game on a non RAID hard drive. You may have issues with the array. Just put it onto a normal drive equivalent to the 2GB Black you have in your other system and see how it runs.

 

[Shamrock]

Shamrock: Thats interesting. Would disabling the sound in the bios/deleteing everything sound related from windows achieve the same thing so i can test it?

Yes. Disable onboard sound in BIOS, and delete sound software/drivers.

 

[PreferLinux]

What framerate are you getting on the Intel system vs. the AMD system?

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

take a video of this and post it on you tube

 

[Phunk0ne]

Although I am lacking the newest hardware, but from my point of view I never had any problems with my onboar soundcard.
funny enough, in the past having my harddrives set up in a raid 0 config, it was nothing but pure frustration during gaming, while copy/pasting files and loading my games sure made things looked good and fast, but having my games stutter frequently almost made me make me run over my pc with my jeep!!!

so in a frantic attempt in getting this fixed, I destroyed my raid config, did a fresh install and like a miracle after a stormy evening, all the problems went away!

eventually I switched to SSDs. games load fast and I play my games effortlessly without the troubles of running raid 0

 

[grkM3]

I had stutter on my sandy setup after changing my wireless mouse to one made by microsoft,there are pages and pages of people that have stutter in windows 7 using some different mice.

I also had some locking up from my force gt ssd and its like on its 3rd or 4th firmware and I its almost completely gone but I get it a few times a month.

so check your sound,mouse and sata/hdd drivers

your video card is using a conflicting dma that might be shared with another device.

sometimes its just best to install a clean os and set everythinf one by one and not change out cards.

 

[cm123]

One of those tests are here:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Blind-Test-Shows-AMD-Machines-Run-Better-than-Intel-s-248202.shtml

Blind Test Shows AMD Machines Run Better Than Intel's
AMD has been the subject of rather unfortunate PR over the past couple of quarters, so it decided to do something about it, namely get gamers to bring it good PR themselves.

Recently, there was an AMD & HardOCP Game Experience event in Texas, which involved two sets of gaming machines and a number of different people asked to play on them.


Though there were 28 'no difference votes', 73 people felt that System B (AMD FX-8150) ran better. Meanwhile, the Intel rig got 40 votes.

The situation at the budget setup, where system A (based on ASRock H61 chipset motherboard) had an Intel Core i3-2105 and system B (ASRock A55 chipset motherboard) relied on an A8-3850 chip, was even better.

Only two people saw no difference, while 5 players liked system A and no less than 136 people enjoyed playing on system B the most (the integrated graphics fight was one-sided indeed).

All in all, Advanced Micro Devices really was on to something when it called this the AMD Reality Check Test.


The URL above has the entire story

Someone did recently run a somewhat nonscientific test that showed the AMD system "felt" smoother than the intel system, when the two should have scored equal (within a margin of error). In my own experience the AMD systems I use feel slow. Very slow. But they are just dual cores. But they feel so much slower than my E6600 conroe systems.

 

[Hypertag]

One of those tests are here:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Blind-Test-Shows-AMD-Machines-Run-Better-than-Intel-s-248202.shtml

Blind Test Shows AMD Machines Run Better Than Intel's
AMD has been the subject of rather unfortunate PR over the past couple of quarters, so it decided to do something about it, namely get gamers to bring it good PR themselves.

Recently, there was an AMD & HardOCP Game Experience event in Texas, which involved two sets of gaming machines and a number of different people asked to play on them.


Though there were 28 'no difference votes', 73 people felt that System B (AMD FX-8150) ran better. Meanwhile, the Intel rig got 40 votes.

The situation at the budget setup, where system A (based on ASRock H61 chipset motherboard) had an Intel Core i3-2105 and system B (ASRock A55 chipset motherboard) relied on an A8-3850 chip, was even better.

Only two people saw no difference, while 5 players liked system A and no less than 136 people enjoyed playing on system B the most (the integrated graphics fight was one-sided indeed).

All in all, Advanced Micro Devices really was on to something when it called this the AMD Reality Check Test.


The URL above has the entire story

I guess you better sell that 3960x since it is worse than a A8-3850

 

[cm123]

I guess you better sell that 3960x since it is worse than a A8-3850

Actually have 4 systems, 1 is AMD FX-8350 config'd exactly same as 3960x (they paired FX-8150 to 3960x above, not A8-3850) - I use FX-8350 for gaming and tiny amount of adobe work. The other 2 are AMD FX-8150 and i7-2600.

I don't bench mark, don't care about frame-rates, just how smooth the system I game on are - for me both 8350 and 3960 are fast, 8350 tends to stay more stable as far as the feel thing goes (to each their own with that though) when FPS gaming. Actually I did the test thing with Crisis 3 before it was released, for whatever reason the 8350 was simply slightly faster (frame-rates).

 

[BrightCandle]

There is an objective way to test this. Get fraps, run some frame time captures where you think you are seeing the difference in stutter and send the data out as well as graphing the intervals and the ordered intervals of the intervals and we can objectively look at the two graphs.

It is actually possible that the faster CPU showed stuttering where the slower one did not due to moving the bottleneck. A game that is GPU limited on the Intel but CPU limited on the AMD could show stuttering from the GPU whereas once CPU limited the game become more stable in its FPS production. We also know from Pcper.com's recent FPS comparisons that 30 fps looks smoother than 45 when vsync is enabled. So it could have been either of these aspects that caused the lack of smoothness.

In addition to that there is a collection of bugs on the AMD 7000 series cards that produce stuttering. Many of them have been fixed since the problem was exposed in December but some still remain and we are still awaiting fixes. Thus this can be very game dependent and is likely determined by the game moving from CPU limited (AMD) to GPU limited (Intel).

Its certainly possible, but in all cases I know the fraps frame time data will show by how much the stuttering has increased, if at all. Objective data capture for this issue exists and its free to capture, please do so.

 

[cm123]

There is an objective way to test this. Get fraps, run some frame time captures where you think you are seeing the difference in stutter and send the data out as well as graphing the intervals and the ordered intervals of the intervals and we can objectively look at the two graphs.

It is actually possible that the faster CPU showed stuttering where the slower one did not due to moving the bottleneck. A game that is GPU limited on the Intel but CPU limited on the AMD could show stuttering from the GPU whereas once CPU limited the game become more stable in its FPS production. We also know from Pcper.com's recent FPS comparisons that 30 fps looks smoother than 45 when vsync is enabled. So it could have been either of these aspects that caused the lack of smoothness.

In addition to that there is a collection of bugs on the AMD 7000 series cards that produce stuttering. Many of them have been fixed since the problem was exposed in December but some still remain and we are still awaiting fixes. Thus this can be very game dependent and is likely determined by the game moving from CPU limited (AMD) to GPU limited (Intel).

Its certainly possible, but in all cases I know the fraps frame time data will show by how much the stuttering has increased, if at all. Objective data capture for this issue exists and its free to capture, please do so.

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All true, however at the gaming event above it was all like systems. And while yes frame rates matter in FPS, its as much or more the combo of min. frame rates and latency (which tend to hit at key moments).

If I'm asked to test a pre-release game, I always play it on 2 matching systems (as much as can) and try to offer in-put based upon both platforms. Right now my 2 systems I do this on are:

Intel i7-3960x | Windows 8 64 Pro | Crucial 32GB DDR3-1866MHz 8-8-8-24
OCZ Vector 512 SSD | Sound Blaster ZXR PCIe Audio | Killer2100 NIC |
Asus Rampage IV Formula X79 MB | EVGA GTX TITAN Superclocked Signature |
NXZT case |Microsoft 4000 Keyboard | Razer Death Adder 2013 Mouse |
A40 Audio System ASTRO 2013 ED. |Razor Vespula Mouse Pad |
OCZ-ZX1000W Power Supply | Asus VG278HE 144Hz LED & Samsung 27SA950 120Hz Monitors

and

AMD FX-8350 | Windows 8 64 Pro | Crucial 32GB DDR3-1866MHz 8-8-8-24
OCZ Vector 512 SSD | Sound Blaster ZXR PCIe Audio | Killer2100 NIC |
Asus Crosshair V Formula-Z MB | EVGA GTX TITAN Superclocked Signature |
NXZT case |Microsoft 4000 Keyboard | Razer Death Adder 2013 Mouse |
A40 Audio System ASTRO 2013 ED. |Razor Vespula Mouse Pad |
OCZ-ZX1000W Power Supply |
Asus VG278HE 144Hz LED & Samsung 27SA950 120Hz Monitors


Of course when measuring "feel" of game play, just as in the gaming event above, its personal perception that may not hold up to fact that can be proven by benchmarks and such.

Going by feel as example Crisis 3, BF4, COD MW3, and Warface all seem to play smoother on the AMD 8350 System - However Stronghold 3, Sniper Ghost Warrior 2 seem slightly more smooth on my i7-3960x - With no real differences with some titles like MH Warfighter or any of the old COD as example.

With consoles such as PS4 and X720 going AMD inside (processors) it should be interesting if we see gaming optimize more around AMD than Intel moving forward (AMD has a strong hold on that market now).

Maybe Intel will step it up and come forward with a (highend) Graphic Solution while at the same time AMD and Nvidia find it in them to merge - That would be interesting to say the least.