Perhaps you ought to read more. We were told specifically that no US citizen has been harmed by data collection. Well there are threads where you will see that is not true. Information was passed on to other agencies which used it for something called parallel construction. Saying "well it wasn't the NSA proper" would be nonsense. It was deliberate and purposeful use of information which we are assured would not be used against us. That it is a criminal case does not matter no more than locking up a US citizen without Constitutional rights for years is. If you think that's fine then there is no further need for discussion.
I suggest you read up on it.
Good Lord....we should trust the government? On what planet? Apparently our founding fathers were full of shit and recent events are all fabricated.
Considering you work for the government and by your logic I guess we shouldn't trust you so your opinion doesn't really mean shit, does it?
Don't bother answering, I've had my fill of hyperbole for the day.
Making false assumptions again...I don't work for the government.
I'm also not naive to think the government should go unchecked and accept all it's actions with blind faith as you've eluded to. That's not really an American ideal or a very good idea. Maybe even bigger government will fix Feinstein's and ultimately all Americans being subjected to blatant violations of civil liberties.:hmm:
Nice straw man!
More catch phrases from the assumer...
You say I work for the govt, I express that I don't. You state that someone is overly distrusting of govt, I don't agree and think the govt should not be trusted without monitoring....now it's a straw man. You're pretty much bat shit crazy and hellbent on a good troll as normal.
I'm also not naive to think the government should go unchecked and accept all it's actions with blind faith as you've eluded to.
I asked you what she lied about. We have evidence the NSA is lying. What proof do you have that the head of the intelligence committee is lying or the whole committee itself is lying?
Your claim is hyperbolic and just plane stupid.
That's actually a super big problem. Spying on Americans in the manner they have been is awful in its own way, but this is a case of the CIA acting to spy on and thwart the very people who are charged with reigning it in. That's a pretty serious threat.
Well the problem in this case is both sides claim they're right but none of us actually know who is. So in this situation either the CIA illegally hacked the computer of a member of a Congressional oversight committee, or that committee illegally obtained secret documents (and the CIA possibly illegally hacked Congress members' computers to undo Congress's illegal act). .
Haven't we passed the point where the CIA/NSA/DHS recognize any limits on their power? I'd say this is just Congress learning that they too are "them", not "us" with the executive branch.Why in the hell would the CIA commit an illegal act if the oversight committee did in fact obtain the document illegally? Why wouldn't they just pursue, rightfully, legal action? Who in their right mind in any sort of position of power at the CIA would authorize illegally hacking members/committees of Congress?
I had this argument with someone just like you a decade ago. It was found that there weren't WMDs in Iraq and the response when that was pointed out was "Prove Rumsfeld is lying". When Bush mentioned the aluminum tubes AFTER Sandia told the administration they were not suitable for nuclear material processing I hear "Prove Bush was lying". Well either they were lying or so stupid that it's a wonder that they could draw breath. Now I have you, the same person in essence demanding the same thing. I've told you how information has been abused after you said that she found there were sufficient protections. Either she is lying or is too stupid for words. You say we need to trust her and those like her. That's what "you" said when we were told about Saddam and the real threat he posed. If we don't trust our leaders the terrorists win, and perversely because of people like you we find those abusing the truth investigating what you would have supported ten years ago. Yes, you would be. If you don't believe what you are told, you won't have a functioning government.
You are being plane (sic) stupid.
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I was pretty specific in who I said we need to trust, you and the other idiot have tried to twist what I've said.
Let me help you with that because you are a fucking idiot:
I didn't elude that, nor think that, nor did I state that. Try again bitch
Fucking idiots. The CIA does not equal the government, it's a piece of the government, Feinstein doesn't equal the government, she is one person who works for the government, just like someone in the military does not equal the government and is simply someone who works for the government.
To say the government is lying is saying all those that work for it are also lying and not only is that hyperbole it's down right stupid. So fuck off and put me on ignore like the many times you say you have.
Lol!
Thus the reason I stated person or part of the govt.... The CIA is certainly not impervious to lies and neither is her highness Feinstein. If you think neither has deceived or lied you really are brainwashed. It's a free country for now...believe whatever fantasies you wish. Have a great utopian day!
The ignore is a wonderful thing for when people go nuts.
Thus the reason I stated person or part of the govt.... The CIA is certainly not impervious to lies and neither is her highness Feinstein. If you think neither has deceived or lied you really are brainwashed. It's a free country for now...believe whatever fantasies you wish. Have a great utopian day!
The ignore is a wonderful thing for when people go nuts.
Or when you refuse to answer questions or when you are called out on your hackish behavior.
I've never used the feature myself...so.
Haven't we passed the point where the CIA/NSA/DHS recognize any limits on their power? I'd say this is just Congress learning that they too are "them", not "us" with the executive branch.
For you to call Hayabusa a hack is inexcusable. He is one of the most even keeled members here, and we are lucky to have him. You on the other hand, are constantly unhinged, rarely post anything that is not abrasive and trollish, and lately call everyone a 'hack'.
It's damn funny how unhinged you became once Feinstein messed up and became the center of attention.
Definitely we have. What is scary is that those agencies are essentially outside the scope of any sort of real oversight. Even if they say they are, you can never be sure. They will always have plausible deniability on their side. They are rogue agencies and I'm not really sure who they actually answer to, since it doesn't seem to be congress. The NSA/CIA/DHS budgets are hardly transparent which makes their intentions even less clear. I can only imagine the amount of corruption going on in there, it probably makes House of Cards look like child's play.
Lol! A hack is someone who pretends to be interested in an issue but when that issue becomes real they blow it off. He did just that. I'm sorry you don't see that.
I have no idea what you mean by "Feinstein messed up", but I'm sure it's something you came up with to place me in a nice little box of assumptions so you don't have to deal with reality.
Feel free to use that ignore button though, most children just put their fingers in their ears
You give yourself too much credit. Why would my Feinstein comment have anything to do with you?
By "messed up" I mean that if she could do it over, she would choose her words differently so as not to appear so damn hypocritical.