A little dissappointed in SSDs

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GrumpyMan

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On my mobo in AHCI there is a setting in the bios which sets the time delay for disk and CD player detection. Do you have a setting like that in your bios?
 

chrisf6969

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Some people have a crapload of extra software that loads up beside the necessary items. Look in your startup config, and you'll probably see a bunch of autoupdate programs or quicklaunch programs, toolbars, etc for everything you install. Ex's GoogleUpdate, QTtask, Adobe reader SL, etc

The reviewers have a nice CLEAN install with out "extras".
 

CurseTheSky

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I think it depends on what your doing if the HD is a bottleneck or not. I could live off a 2000rpm drive, and still be confident that its not bottlenecking my system. Obviously when i start a program it would take around 4 times as longer, so i guess my HD would be a bottleneck for ~2 mins max every day, but for the other 23 hours and 58 minutes I would be better served overclocking 1 extra bclock.

I'm curious... what do you do that requires so few HDD reads and writes? Just about everything today is constantly making use of the HDD - games (loading levels, textures, etc.), Internet browsers (writing cookies, updating various utilities; remember the complaints about Firefox stuttering the worst when the original jmicron drives were released?), virus scans, opening and saving documents, etc.
 

pcslookout

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I know this is a pretty old article but it proves my point that SSDs bootup time people measure is totally different what others go by. If you measure the whole time from pressing the power button to the finished windows desktop the time is a little longer than only 15 to 20 seconds.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Windows-7-Disk-Performance-Analyzed/?page=5

Maybe they are wrong but 30 seconds seems about right for the Intel G2 160 GB if you include the full bootup time.

I don't know of anything that can bootup windows in 8 to 15 seconds.
 

Majic 7

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30 seconds for boot-up time is about right for me. Vista and a WD640 AAKS took at least a minute or more.
 

AlgaeEater

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As a proud new owner of a 160GB Intel G2, I have to say I wasn't overly blown away either as much as people made them out to be. I'm happy with it, but not "1st Gen P4 to Athlon 64" blown away.

I think there are so many variables in the "performance" equation which causes some people to state the increase. Since I assume a lot of us posting in this thread are probably "enthusiasts", we probably don't see such a dramatic increase. I hear a lot of people not overly impressed due to the fact they came from WD Blacks, Raptors, and SCSI disks... which already shows they had some pretty good gear to begin with.

I will say that the positive comments in this thread are spot-on. Multi-tasking is insanely faster, and the computer overall feels a lot more snappy. Startup and shutdown for me (coming from a 1TB WD Black) isn't much of a difference. (4 second difference) Virus scanning is hard to judge since obviously my old hard drive was a 1TB, and the one is 160GB... so of course it's going to be a lot faster. Gaming is nicer (Dragon Age Origins map loading is much faster, probably cut in half), but nowhere "instant".

So yeah, I think chalk up another thing to the hype machine for me. It's good, just not chocolate covered sliced bread with morphine filling.
 

chrisf6969

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I do.....When I go to bed, put it on standby, I wake up the thing is on?! Its got a mind of its own...

Wireless mouse? Stray radio waves?

As a proud new owner of a 160GB Intel G2, I have to say I wasn't overly blown away either as much as people made them out to be. I'm happy with it, but not "1st Gen P4 to Athlon 64" blown away.

I hear a lot of people not overly impressed due to the fact they came from WD Blacks, Raptors, and SCSI disks... which already shows they had some pretty good gear to begin with.

So yeah, I think chalk up another thing to the hype machine for me. It's good, just not chocolate covered sliced bread with morphine filling.



AlgeaEater... thats spot on! LOL I came from a 640Gb Black... and a 74Gb Raptor before that. I think the difference from the 74Gb to 640Gb felt about the same as from the 640Gb to 80GB G2 SSD.

Its Godiva Chocolate good... but as you said.... not "chocolate covered sliced bread with morphine filling" good
 
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pcslookout

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As a proud new owner of a 160GB Intel G2, I have to say I wasn't overly blown away either as much as people made them out to be. I'm happy with it, but not "1st Gen P4 to Athlon 64" blown away.

I think there are so many variables in the "performance" equation which causes some people to state the increase. Since I assume a lot of us posting in this thread are probably "enthusiasts", we probably don't see such a dramatic increase. I hear a lot of people not overly impressed due to the fact they came from WD Blacks, Raptors, and SCSI disks... which already shows they had some pretty good gear to begin with.

I will say that the positive comments in this thread are spot-on. Multi-tasking is insanely faster, and the computer overall feels a lot more snappy. Startup and shutdown for me (coming from a 1TB WD Black) isn't much of a difference. (4 second difference) Virus scanning is hard to judge since obviously my old hard drive was a 1TB, and the one is 160GB... so of course it's going to be a lot faster. Gaming is nicer (Dragon Age Origins map loading is much faster, probably cut in half), but nowhere "instant".

So yeah, I think chalk up another thing to the hype machine for me. It's good, just not chocolate covered sliced bread with morphine filling.

Bingo!
 

rcpratt

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I'm surprised you all don't feel the difference is that huge. Maybe you need to go play with a regular HDD system again and feel the pain

Or maybe some of us just use our computers differently.
 

Fallengod

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Ya. I personally dont see it. SSD's are good and obviously the future. However, they are fairly new and extremely expensive. I have a 150gb velociraptor, and I already have pretty damn fast load/transfer speeds. $250 or whatever for 80gb is not a good deal.....I dont care if its instant bootup and load times.

Obviously its an enthusiast hardware but...still...its not worth its price point imo. Id rather buy a faster video card or monitor with that money. Anyone who wants to spend that and enjoys it, thats fine, but that doesnt make it a good value for price/performance heh.
 

bob4432

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hell i noticed a nice speed upgrade from going to a 30GB ocz drive from a 15k new gen scsi drive - bit older, before the vertex series so there were hiccups but overall a quick drive - now in my htpc.

why are you obsessed w/ turn on speed? you only turn it on and off 1x/day - turn on and turn off times don't mean shit. or just leave the machine on. imho, those that measure any type of performance based on turn on speed are idiots.
 

shabby

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I hear a lot of people not overly impressed due to the fact they came from WD Blacks, Raptors, and SCSI disks... which already shows they had some pretty good gear to begin with.

Even the fastest mechanical drives slow down to a crawl when multiple applications try to read/write to it, this is what annoyed me the most and the single biggest reason i switched to an ssd. Seeing windows basically freeze because one application is writing a large file and another one is reading one drove me nuts, i guess if you don't normally experience these hd limitations your ssd upgrade won't be that noticeable. The price premium for an ssd didn't bother me one bit.
 
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u3laptoper

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My best storage experience came from a 2.5" SAS 15K drive. It's amazing how blazing fast that little monster is, and quiet.

I assume if you would couple the SSD with a cache onboard RAID card, the setbacks of write performance will be overcome.
 

jeffbui

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I know this is a pretty old article but it proves my point that SSDs bootup time people measure is totally different what others go by. If you measure the whole time from pressing the power button to the finished windows desktop the time is a little longer than only 15 to 20 seconds.

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Windows-7-Disk-Performance-Analyzed/?page=5

Maybe they are wrong but 30 seconds seems about right for the Intel G2 160 GB if you include the full bootup time.

I don't know of anything that can bootup windows in 8 to 15 seconds.

Lenovo T400s with SSD booting from off to Windows desktop in under 10 seconds:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/645/2.033/
 

semo

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...$250 or whatever for 80gb is not a good deal.....I dont care if its instant bootup and load times.

...but that doesnt make it a good value for price/performance heh.

you seem to be contradicting yourself there. do you want large capacity or performance?

SSDs are not for storing (a lot of) stuff (yet) but for improving performance. HDDs are for storing stuff.

SSD --> performance
HDD --> mass storage

You can't use price/GB to compare those 2 parts. price/GB only makes sense when comparing storage devices. It’s like saying that a top of the range GPU card has a horrible price/GB of memory compared to DDR3 modules. It’s irrelevant. You use FLOPS (or FPS or whatever) count to justify buying an expensive graphics card and you should use IOPS to justify the price for SSD and when you put IOPS results of SSDs and HDDs on a graph, the HDD can’t even be seen on the graph. Same goes for the latency
 

Rubycon

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Why in the heck do people put so much emphasis on boot up times? My PCs start up slow regardless what's in them because of the AV stuff connected.

I have a notebook with a 128GB Falcon and it does run faster but I mainly like the additional run time I get on batteries more than anything else!

If you want a screamer purchase 4 128GB drives (no speed advantage currently with larger drives) and hitch to an Areca 1680ix series controller with 2-4GB CACHE and battery. It flat out flies and is nearly silent. (the adapter has a small fan similar to fans found on Geforce1 era video cards that makes a LITTLE bit of noise)

There is no comparison! I was previously using TEN Fujitsu MBA 15K drives in RAID0.

I have several systems with a single velociraptor and they just seem painfully slow in comparison when doing anything that requires lots of disk activity. The Dells downstairs with WDC Blue drives just grind and grind and grind. You would think Juan Valdez was in there making coffee or something.
 

semo

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Why in the heck do people put so much emphasis on boot up times? ...

most people can't afford SSDs larger than 30-40GB so boot up times is the biggest advantage you can get. I think that at least, this encourages good practices. the OS performs IO constantly and putting your apps and other things on a separate drive is a good idea. when SSD drop in price more people will be able to add a larger SSD along side the boot drive. no matter how quick SSDs are, two or more SSDs used cleverly will always be faster
 

Fallengod

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Why in the heck do people put so much emphasis on boot up times? My PCs start up slow regardless what's in them because of the AV stuff connected.

Ya I know. Ive always wondered about that myself. Boot up times are pointless. It doesnt matter if it takes even 1 minute to boot up(absurd), youre only doing it so often..... Ive never understood why people talk about how fast they can boot up. If you know how to manage your OS, you should not really have any longer than about 30 second boot time anyways. I have a Vraptor and my boots are about 10-15 seconds so.....bleh.
 

semo

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it doesn't matter what reasons people buy SSDs for. Yes, they improve bootup times, yes, some buy them to improve their boot up times but whether they realize it or not it also improves performance in general. The OS constantly uses the disk and apart from boot up times you will get quicker updates and quicker cache write/reads, general everyday use and so on
 
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