A McDonald's burger from 1996

[NikolaeVarius]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I think this is a hoax. I don't believe that there is any preservative that could keep bread from molding for that long. It is possible that she kept this burger in a freezer and is conveniently omitting that part.

Agreed, didn't Spurlock do this and the bread went moldy after not very long?

KT

10 Weels. Though, there are also other people who have kept McDonalds hamburgers in jars, and they have been preserved for years with no refigeration or any attempt to preserve them

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
I think this is a hoax. I don't believe that there is any preservative that could keep bread from molding for that long. It is possible that she kept this burger in a freezer and is conveniently omitting that part.

Agreed, didn't Spurlock do this and the bread went moldy after not very long?

KT

10 Weels. Though, there are also other people who have kept McDonalds hamburgers in jars, and they have been preserved for years with no refigeration or any attempt to preserve them

Evidence?

 

[TheSlamma]

Keep the fat people death rolling!!

 

[Eli]

I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread, but environmental conditions have a lot more to do with the results of this little experiment than anything else.

It is as simple as this: Microorganisms need moisture to survive. If you take that away, the meat isn't going to rot and the bread isn't going to mold.

You could do this with any piece of hamburger. You would be turning it into a piece of hamburger jerky. Same thing with the bread. Leave a couple of pieces of bread out on your counter for a few weeks. No mold will grow.

 

[imported_Imp]

No problem, I love regular hamburgers from McDs, always have. Their blandness is very unique (not being sarcastic).

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SirStev0
No. It is called two questions one being more important. I have no idea what type of preservative could possibly hold off bread mold for 12 years. I also have no idea why McD's would add this and other preservatives in such high levels that it can keep it around for 12 years.

Two Questions. Both don't make sense.

You're correct. Neither of those make any sense at all.

So, which is more likely:

- A large corporation like McDonalds is simply throwing away money on preservatives for products that don't need them.

OR

- Random hippy is making false claims or is keeping the burger in her freezer but doesn't think that freezing it is a form of preservation.

I submit that the second explanation is much simpler and much more likely.

ZV

 

[Eli]

I doubt it was kept in the freezer. This would preserve it in a way that it could degrade substantially.

If anything, this was preserved in the sun.

 

[timosyy]

Originally posted by: Saint Michael
Edit:

Also, a McDonald's hamburger is not likely to have significantly less nutritional value than any other food made of beef and bread. The three cardinal nutritional elements, protein, carbohydrate, and fat, are all quite present. The beef, like any other uncured meat, is processed and then frozen, and thus retains it's nutritional value. The bread is as healthy as any other enriched white bread. There's no magical property about McDonald's whereby the beef suddenly stops being beef and the bread stops being bread. Hippies. Just say no.

This a million times over. Did everyone ignore this just because it was at the bottom of the page?

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

That is total horse shit. McDonalds hamburgers are actual meat. To say it has no nutrition but meat from your grocery store does is total bullshit.

 

[meltdown75]

damn this thread for making me hungry

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

nom nom nom. i like to eat clean most of the time but i love the $1 menu at mcdonalds. I'm hungry now

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: SirStev0
No. It is called two questions one being more important. I have no idea what type of preservative could possibly hold off bread mold for 12 years. I also have no idea why McD's would add this and other preservatives in such high levels that it can keep it around for 12 years.

Two Questions. Both don't make sense.

You're correct. Neither of those make any sense at all.

So, which is more likely:

- A large corporation like McDonalds is simply throwing away money on preservatives for products that don't need them.

OR

- Random hippy is making false claims or is keeping the burger in her freezer but doesn't think that freezing it is a form of preservation.

I submit that the second explanation is much simpler and much more likely.

ZV

That site makes me suspicious.
It sounds like it's run by another one of those "homeopathic" people who believes that the food and drug industries are just short of trying to extinguish humanity.
Scrolling down, there is a "Cellular Anti-Aging Tonic" article, which they conveniently sell.
It supposedly can repair DNA, and it protects against "AGE protein formations."

Ingredients:
Muscadine grape extract, trans-Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum root), European Elderberry extract, purple carrot extract, sorbitol, water, glycerin, silicon dioxide, natural flavors.

So, berry juice, knotweed juice, some sugar alcohol, and the mysterious "natural flavoring."
And wow, just $100 for a 30-day supply. :laugh:
($85 for members. Membership cost: $20. )
They also have vitamin supplements that contain "80 bio-optimized nutrients."
But they're no competition for my Quantum-Phasic Nutrient Supplements! :roll:


Unfortunately, my mom has gotten on one of these kicks. She's had chronic fatigue syndrome since 2000, before-which she was quite physically active, moreso than me. Now she's got time at home, and if she's not doing needlecraft, she's on the Internet doing "research." Too many of these sources seem to be either self-claimed "nutrition experts" or else peddlers of the "super foods" and supplements they talk up.
(And hopefully she doesn't stumble upon this thread in her outings on Google.)

Yes, I know, corporations don't have consumer interests in mind. That comes as a by-product of making profits. Stuff gets pushed to market because it looks like it'll make money. Polycarbonate is a nice example: It's great for stain-resistant, durable plastic containers. Turns out that it can leach out chemicals which can be carcinogenic. Oops.

At the same time, I don't think they're trying to kill us. If that were the case, we wouldn't be looking at the increasing lifespans we keep seeing. All this "terrible" food would be killing people before they made it to 50 years old. And hell, the guy in "Super-Size Me" would probably have died if there was truly "not one ounce of food value" in McDonalds stuff.


If I wasn't so damn cheap, I'd go to McDonalds now, in part just to spite the author of that article.

 

[Nitemare]

probably tastes the same as well.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Jeff7
That site makes me suspicious.
It sounds like it's run by another one of those "homeopathic" people who believes that the food and drug industries are just short of trying to extinguish humanity.
Scrolling down, there is a "Cellular Anti-Aging Tonic" article, which they conveniently sell.
It supposedly can repair DNA, and it protects against "AGE protein formations."

Ingredients:
Muscadine grape extract, trans-Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum root), European Elderberry extract, purple carrot extract, sorbitol, water, glycerin, silicon dioxide, natural flavors.

So, berry juice, knotweed juice, some sugar alcohol, and the mysterious "natural flavoring."
And wow, just $100 for a 30-day supply. :laugh:

But it's got silicon dioxide in it! CHEMICAL!

 

[Quiksilver]

I agree with this comment left on that page...

I have doubts of your method. I am not defending McDonald's, but I do not like unnecessary scaring over nothing. We do not need scare tactics to tell people McD food is bad for them. Let's go over the evidence in your experiment. First, the burger you purchased twelve years ago was put into a jelly container. I suspect the container to be airtight as jelly is susceptible to mold, bacteria, etc. Second, you mention in the article that the burger was starting to crumble. This would imply that the burger has little to no water in it. Third, I am assuming you bought your burger from a McD that met all health regulations. Your conclusion from this evidence is that McD burgers are bad because they withstand the test of time. However, I disagree with this conclusion. I would argue that the burger was preserved because it was in an airtight, waterless environment removed from mold and bacteria. If there was sufficient water in the container, mold and bacteria would most likely flourish. Now, I am not saying you are wrong that McD food is bad in regards to health. It is a fattening food whose only nutritional value is the amount of calories it contains. But I am saying your experiment does not support the conclusion that McD food is bad. Furthermore, and this is simply personal sentiments, I do not like the tone of the article that engineered foods are bad. Chemically altering foods is a two way street. There is potential to make a healthier food that has more nutritional value than it's predecessor (see: Banana) or simply make a food that last longer but has loses that value (see: commercial Tomato).

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Jeff7
That site makes me suspicious.
It sounds like it's run by another one of those "homeopathic" people who believes that the food and drug industries are just short of trying to extinguish humanity.
Scrolling down, there is a "Cellular Anti-Aging Tonic" article, which they conveniently sell.
It supposedly can repair DNA, and it protects against "AGE protein formations."

Ingredients:
Muscadine grape extract, trans-Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum root), European Elderberry extract, purple carrot extract, sorbitol, water, glycerin, silicon dioxide, natural flavors.

So, berry juice, knotweed juice, some sugar alcohol, and the mysterious "natural flavoring."
And wow, just $100 for a 30-day supply. :laugh:

But it's got silicon dioxide in it! CHEMICAL!

I was going to comment on that, but silicon dioxide is legitimately inert when ingested, and it is in fact a natural substance.
Breathing it is a different matter, but silicon in the lungs is pretty much always bad news.

That "natural flavoring" though, that's kind of a blanket statement. According to the US government, it can come from "spice, fruit or fruit juice, vegetable or vegetable juice, edible yeast, herb, bark, bud, root, leaf or any other edible portions of a plant, meat, seafood, poultry, eggs, dairy products, or fermentation products thereof."
So pick any part of any plant or animal, and it can be a "natural flavoring."


Mmmmm, this new "Mule Urine" Gatorade is great! All-natural flavoring, too! You can even taste a hint of the louse eggs!

Originally posted by: Quiksilver
I agree with this comment left on that page...

Good point about the low moisture content.
I had some bananas and peaches I'd dehydrated awhile ago. They didn't turn out quite like I'd hoped, but I kept them around, just in case I found some use. They were at least a year old when I finally threw them away. They looked and smelled exactly the same as they did when I put them in the containers. They were kept at room temperature.
Conclusion: Bananas and peaches have no food value.

 

[zerocool84]

I just find it funny with all the people saying EWW fast food, I haven't eaten it in years!!! Or, McDonalds sucks, my local burger joint is healthier.

 

[mooncancook]

Reminded me of a collage friend who accidentally left his McDonald's fries in the garage and found out a month later that the fries still looked the same and did not spoil. He decided never to eat fast food fries again.

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: coldmeat
Those McDonald's burgers are so good. I don't know about in the US, but here in Canada those burgers are delicious. I'll eat 9 or 10 of them at a time.

I'm in Canada too and I think the burgers are quite disgusting.

9 or 10? Jebus. :Q

KT

I can't eat that much anymore. That was when I was in high school and only ate 2 big meals a day. My limit is around 6 now.

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread, but environmental conditions have a lot more to do with the results of this little experiment than anything else.

It is as simple as this: Microorganisms need moisture to survive. If you take that away, the meat isn't going to rot and the bread isn't going to mold.

You could do this with any piece of hamburger. You would be turning it into a piece of hamburger jerky. Same thing with the bread. Leave a couple of pieces of bread out on your counter for a few weeks. No mold will grow.

I was gonna post this.

Mold needs moisture to grow. Completely dry bread grows no mold.

 

[rezinn]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: mugs
And honey is still edible after thousands of years.

Sigh. Your an idiot.

Quoted for funny.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: MrPickins

Originally posted by: Eli
I don't know if this has been mentioned in the thread, but environmental conditions have a lot more to do with the results of this little experiment than anything else.

It is as simple as this: Microorganisms need moisture to survive. If you take that away, the meat isn't going to rot and the bread isn't going to mold.

You could do this with any piece of hamburger. You would be turning it into a piece of hamburger jerky. Same thing with the bread. Leave a couple of pieces of bread out on your counter for a few weeks. No mold will grow.

I was gonna post this.

Mold needs moisture to grow. Completely dry bread grows no mold.

I visited the castle Hohenschwangau in Germany earlier this month. They have a loaf of bread that is 200 years old on display.

 

[LilPima]

The important question is- where has that burger been for the last 12 years??

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: mugs
And honey is still edible after thousands of years.

Sigh. Your an idiot.


The hyperosmolatity of honey (due to the fact that it is almost completely concentrated sugar) makes it impossible for any living microorganism to live in it. If they try water is immediately leached from their cell body and they shrivel and die.

There are bacteria that have developed ways of living in other hyperosmotic environments; however, there has yet to be one that can in honey. Maybe one day there will and than honey won't be permanently sterile.

A burger should have no property that should make it impervious to decay. It defies biology.

No, I'm really not. My comment was about as relevant as showing someone a 12 year old hamburger and telling them they shouldn't eat it because it was well-preserved. And they used that scary word, chemical too. :Q If you want to say something is harmful, tell me what is in it and what harm it does. A picture of an old hamburger is just a scare tactic.

Sorry, then I don't see the point of your original comment. It seemed to me that you were trying to say that since honey is still edible after 2000 years, why would a 12 year old burger be bad. Honey is still edible due to an intrinsic property of honey: the fact that it is so concentrated it will not physically allow things to grow in it. Meat doesn't naturally have this intrinsic property. It makes your claim meaningless.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: SirStev0
No. It is called two questions one being more important. I have no idea what type of preservative could possibly hold off bread mold for 12 years. I also have no idea why McD's would add this and other preservatives in such high levels that it can keep it around for 12 years.

Two Questions. Both don't make sense.

You're correct. Neither of those make any sense at all.

So, which is more likely:

- A large corporation like McDonalds is simply throwing away money on preservatives for products that don't need them.

OR

- Random hippy is making false claims or is keeping the burger in her freezer but doesn't think that freezing it is a form of preservation.

I submit that the second explanation is much simpler and much more likely.

ZV

That site makes me suspicious.
It sounds like it's run by another one of those "homeopathic" people who believes that the food and drug industries are just short of trying to extinguish humanity.
Scrolling down, there is a "Cellular Anti-Aging Tonic" article, which they conveniently sell.
It supposedly can repair DNA, and it protects against "AGE protein formations."

Ingredients:
Muscadine grape extract, trans-Resveratrol (Polygonum cuspidatum root), European Elderberry extract, purple carrot extract, sorbitol, water, glycerin, silicon dioxide, natural flavors.

So, berry juice, knotweed juice, some sugar alcohol, and the mysterious "natural flavoring."
And wow, just $100 for a 30-day supply. :laugh:
($85 for members. Membership cost: $20. )
They also have vitamin supplements that contain "80 bio-optimized nutrients."
But they're no competition for my Quantum-Phasic Nutrient Supplements! :roll:


Unfortunately, my mom has gotten on one of these kicks. She's had chronic fatigue syndrome since 2000, before-which she was quite physically active, moreso than me. Now she's got time at home, and if she's not doing needlecraft, she's on the Internet doing "research." Too many of these sources seem to be either self-claimed "nutrition experts" or else peddlers of the "super foods" and supplements they talk up.
(And hopefully she doesn't stumble upon this thread in her outings on Google.)

Yes, I know, corporations don't have consumer interests in mind. That comes as a by-product of making profits. Stuff gets pushed to market because it looks like it'll make money. Polycarbonate is a nice example: It's great for stain-resistant, durable plastic containers. Turns out that it can leach out chemicals which can be carcinogenic. Oops.

At the same time, I don't think they're trying to kill us. If that were the case, we wouldn't be looking at the increasing lifespans we keep seeing. All this "terrible" food would be killing people before they made it to 50 years old. And hell, the guy in "Super-Size Me" would probably have died if there was truly "not one ounce of food value" in McDonalds stuff.


If I wasn't so damn cheap, I'd go to McDonalds now, in part just to spite the author of that article.

yea its weird how these hippies are so selectively skeptical.