A modest proposal: A way to please both mosque and anti-mosque crowds.

[Bateluer]

Go for it, as long as you include raptor jesus artwork. But I'm not buy that modern Christianity is the cause of as much violence as modern Islam is. And Christianity had almost nothing to do with 9/11.

Christians today are also, by and large, different from the Christians of Medieval Europe. Christians of Medieval Europe were much more 'serious' about their faith than Christians today. A Christian today goes to Church once a week and says a quick prayer before bedtime and meals. If their pastor were to order them to join an invasion of the middle east, they'd laugh at them and find a new church. Oh sure, they'd still get some fanatics and nuts to go along, but no where near any significant numbers. Muslims today seem to be in their own dark age, IMO, because of the fall of the Ottoman Empire last century. Wasn't all that long ago in the big picture.

On a side note, I would find a pork restaurant across from the mosque very amusing.

 

[Infohawk]

What about for the torture and murder of African women and children in the name of Jesus?

It depends on the specifics. I don't know what their justification is. Generally speaking, there is a causal relationship in that a set of superstitions can justify just about any kind of atrocity. If you're willing to believe in zombies, it may not be that much of a stretch to believe that you're helping babies out by killing them. (*shrug*). I'm willing to wager that it's a weaker connection than the one between 9/11 and Islam in that the concept of the infidels exists in Islam even though you can dispute what it's supposed to be about. I'm not aware of anything in the new testament that justifies killing babies.

 

[senseamp]

So since so many Islam apologists on this board and on the streets are outraged at the outrage over the Ground Zero Mosque, what about this:

The Ground Zero Mosque gets built in all its architectural glory. No more discussion about moving it. Instead of complaining about the location of the mosque, those opposed instead put money towards buying the adjacent property. To what end?

A Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum and Victims of Extremists Memorial Center. The first floor will follow the violent rise and propagation of the superstition known as Islam. Visitors will be guided through the centuries as Muslims kill and invade to spread their religion. One floor will be an art museum dedicated to representations of the prophet Mohammed. Other areas will go be dedicated to the various types of victims of extremist Muslim hatred: Jews, Westerners, Indians, artists, authors, and all womankind. The top floor will be dedicated to 9/11 and the ongoing efforts by Muslim extremists to kill just about everyone else in the world. Sound good? (Heck, you could put a Victim of Christian Atrocities next door too but there wouldn't be as much good material.)

And remember Islam apologists, no complaining about the location of the Muslim Extremist Crimes Museum center.

Edit:
Other good suggestions:
The museum restaurant will specialize in pork products.

OK, buy the land, raise the money and build your museum. You don't even have to give up whining about the mosque to do so.

 

[Infohawk]

OK, buy the land, raise the money and build your museum. You don't even have to give up whining about the mosque to do so.

Great. I'm glad you agree with my solution. And you too can continue on with your whining about the whining.

 

[Sclamoz]

It depends on the specifics. I don't know what their justification is. Generally speaking, there is a causal relationship in that a set of superstitions can justify just about any kind of atrocity. If you're willing to believe in zombies, it may not be that much of a stretch to believe that you're helping babies out by killing them. (*shrug*). I'm willing to wager that it's a weaker connection than the one between 9/11 and Islam in that the concept of the infidels exists in Islam even though you can dispute what it's supposed to be about. I'm not aware of anything in the new testament that justifies killing babies.

Now that's great. A small twisted group of muslims do 9/11 an according to you Islam is the cause and all muslims should feel shame even though they don't agree with the actions of the terrorists or think like they do.

But for Christians killing and torturing women and children for being witches well...If you're willing to believe in zombies, it may not be that much of a stretch to believe that you're helping babies out by killing them.. Not caused by Christianity, no shame for Christians. LOL. Shall we call you an apologist?

They're killing and torturing based on the belief that they are witches.

No different than labeling someone an infidel.
http://bible.cc/exodus/22-18.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/dec/09/tracymcveigh.theobserver

 

[cubby1223]

ummm, ok, first off anyone who hotlinks to a 25mb image should be given a vacation from the forum (just my humble opinion)

So since so many Islam apologists on this board and on the streets are outraged at the outrage over the Ground Zero Mosque, what about this:

The Ground Zero Mosque gets built in all its architectural glory. No more discussion about moving it. Instead of complaining about the location of the mosque, those opposed instead put money towards buying the adjacent property. To what end?

Greg Gutfeld from Red Eye I think has the best suggestion, build a gay bar for Muslims next door called "Suspicious Packages" serving a selection of 72 virgin drinks

 

[BoomerD]

How about this compromise...

Make the Muslims share the building...half mosque, half synagogue.

Then, your museum can also share its space with the "Victims of Jewish Aggression" display. I'm sure lots of folks in Palestine would be happy to help with that...

 

[BoomerD]

bah...double post.

 

[chuckywang]

OP, I know you're saying this to make a point, but it's not an analogous situation.

The Islamic center is a culinary school, gym, and community center. Your idea is a bigoted anti-Islamic, racist museum. Do you truly not see the difference?

 

[coreyb]

His idea isn't any of those things. It's simply a museum sharing the reality of this retarded "religion".

 

[Craig234]

His idea isn't any of those things. It's simply a museum sharing the reality of this retarded "religion".

LOL, not only is it those thing, you show yourself a bigot the next sentence.

The idiocy and offensiveness of his bigotry is whos by the hateful, childish comment of putting a 'cafeteria serving pork'.

His asinine ranting have nothing to do with a rational point, they are merely attacking all innocent Muslims with things like 'force pork on them haha'.

An innocent part of their religion exploited for ridicule and offense.

Most who oppose the Mosque are simply guilty of the error of not understanding 9/11 was an attack on Muslims, trying to get the US to invade a Muslim nation, and that the best way for them to fight the 9/11 attackers is to trat Muslims with justice and respect as fellow victims of Al Queda and not let the hate between the US and Muslims Al Queda wants to grow.

Not the OP, though, he's much worse. He's a real tool of Al Queda playing into their hands and a bigot trying to hurt innocent people and spread hate.

It's simple, he blames all Muslims to a point for 9/11 (apparently he thinks all Middle Eastern Muslims are more directly backers of Al Queda, while Indonesian Muslims are far enough away that their guilt is lessened to where they can get away with an apology for being in the religion with Al Queda, apparently if they'll leave it.)

Because of this, he's going to hate them, and no reasonable solution will get anything from him but hate for them.

His rantings are worthless for a response as such, just hate.

There is plenty to criticize Islam for. Being behind 9/11, except for a radical strain, isn't one of them.

Is he out pushing that our Washington, D. C., Vietnam memorial have the 2 million Vietnamese victims - far more civilians than US killed, mostly people fighting for an end to foreign occupation, for which the *general* US population was far more responsible than were general Muslims for 9/11 - put on display you have to go through in order to get to the US military killed? How about some humiliating picture of US killed and Vietnamese gloating over them?

Oh, no, his desire to 'humiliate' groups for is limited to ones who are innocent of the wrongs and ones named 'Muslim'.

 

[sandorski]

ummm, ok, first off anyone who hotlinks to a 25mb image should be given a vacation from the forum (just my humble opinion)




Greg Gutfeld from Red Eye I think has the best suggestion, build a gay bar for Muslims next door called "Suspicious Packages" serving a selection of 72 virgin drinks

At least a talking to from the Mods. Second time he's done it.

 

[Red Dawn]

His idea isn't any of those things. It's simply a museum sharing the reality of this retarded "religion".

Hey knucklehead, they're all retarded.

 

[EndGame]

Hey knucklehead, they're all retarded.

And there you have it! Ban building any specific religious building within (X) distance from ground zero. The church that was there (catholic I believe) will not be rebuilt so simply ban any religious building from being built. Have an area much like there is at the Pentagon for ALL religions to use and end all the bitching.

 

[Orignal Earl]

It's almost amazing how the Right can still whip its base into a frenzy with one simple slogan.
9/11 9/11 9/11

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] — shame on you. Fool me — [pauses] — You can't get fooled again.

 

[Fear No Evil]

It's almost amazing how the Right can still whip its base into a frenzy with one simple slogan.
9/11 9/11 9/11

There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — [pauses] — shame on you. Fool me — [pauses] — You can't get fooled again.

And its amazing how the left can whip its base into a frenzy supporting religion when its a mosque near ground zero but will find a reason to demonize every other religion and its followers as backwards racist bigots.

 

[Martin]

(Heck, you could put a Victim of Christian Atrocities next door too but there wouldn't be as much good material.)

I was in Amsterdam a few days ago and went to see the Torture Museum. It is full of all sorts of instruments Christians (Spanish, Dutch, Medieval, Renaissance, etc) used on heretics, witches, blasphemers etc, so I can tell you with certainty that there is more than enough good material for such a museum.

 

[Red Dawn]

And its amazing how the left can whip its base into a frenzy supporting religion when its a mosque near ground zero but will find a reason to demonize every other religion and its followers as backwards racist bigots.

So you are for allowing this Mosque to be built and for all other Houses of Religion to be built on private land and to be funded by private money?

 

[sandorski]

I was in Amsterdam a few days ago and went to see the Torture Museum. It is full of all sorts of instruments Christians (Spanish, Dutch, Medieval, Renaissance, etc) used on heretics, witches, blasphemers etc, so I can tell you with certainty that there is more than enough good material for such a museum.

Using the OPs logic, every Holocaust Museum already is.

 

[Orignal Earl]

And its amazing how the left can whip its base into a frenzy supporting religion when its a mosque near ground zero but will find a reason to demonize every other religion and its followers as backwards racist bigots.

According to a 2007 survey, 78.4% of adults identified themselves as Christian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States#Religion

Now explain to me how the left gets anyone into power in US politics

( I think I've posted this like 4 times just over the last couple of weeks, even in a reply to you, It's starting to make me feel stupid too)

 

[waggy]

as i said with the mosque unless there is a zoneing reason (and why would there?) then they have the right to build it.

in fact if they only served beer and bacon and had a shooting range hell i think it would be a great spot to go! hmm the can call it the anti-mosque ...

 

[jackschmittusa]

Fear No Evil

"And its amazing how the left can whip its base into a frenzy supporting religion"

Will you ever get it? Its people supporting their fellow Americans and American ideals, not religion. I, for one, support no religion. As an American, I tolerate them all. I see people of all faiths as irrational. Irrational thinking leads to unpredictable actions, whether it's a 9-11 attack or killing kids as witches. Your claim of support for Islam rather than American principles is irrational as well.

 

[Rainsford]

I actually hope someone DOES something like this beyond posting on the Internet. Not because I like the building, but because I think the contrast between what Infohawk wants and what the Muslim community center will be should end up being...illuminating.

 

[Red Dawn]

I actually hope someone DOES something like this beyond posting on the Internet. Not because I like the building, but because I think the contrast between what Infohawk wants and what the Muslim community center will be should end up being...illuminating.

It'd be interesting to see who would fund Infohawk's building.

 

[Rainsford]

Fear No Evil

"And its amazing how the left can whip its base into a frenzy supporting religion"

Will you ever get it? Its people supporting their fellow Americans and American ideals, not religion. I, for one, support no religion. As an American, I tolerate them all. I see people of all faiths as irrational. Irrational thinking leads to unpredictable actions, whether it's a 9-11 attack or killing kids as witches. Your claim of support for Islam rather than American principles is irrational as well.

Well said. I'm more agnostic than anything else, and I don't support building the community center because I like Islam more than any other religion. I support building it because being an American should mean standing up for American principles, period.