The number of posts I've made in the forum or in this thread doesn't change the fact that you and many others are Islamaphobic and have sought to insult the OP.
Knowing that not being allowed to eat a certain animal is stupid isn't "Islamaphobic" - it's reality. Lots of "religions" have stupid man made restrictions in them - making fun of them doesn't mean you are "phobic".
It's no different than me making fun or laughing at vegans or other such nutballs. Don't like it? tough. Just because you believe something doesn't mean I have to respect it or you - only morons that follow the PC rules do that.
Just as it's fuckin stupid to worrying about Sharia Law ever being adopted in the US. Yet many in this thread has berated the OP wanting to know his stance on the subject. soulcougher73'sa mention of bacon was meant as an insult cut and dry.
FTM0305, sure, if you would like to learn about Islam, I'd be happy to oblige. This should however be a separate thread altogether, as this thread was only to provide a Muslim's perspective. Nonetheless, in a very brief nutshell...
Sharia basically refers to Islamic law. It is derived from the Quran, explained further by Hadith and Sunnah, interpreted by scholars for the current context and has an allowance for usage of common sense by an individual.
As with common law, there is a concept of precedence. However, precedence always has to be taken into account with the context of a ruling(s) previously made.
The code of law provides Muslims with values how to live life, with religious obligations and strong positive ethical and moral values.
Please feel free to ask questions about anything specific you would like to know.
“Current context”, are you saying that Islamic law is a living-breathing document that can be re-interpreted, and amended, due to the times, or geography?
“has an allowance for usage of common sense by an individual.” What does that mean exactly? Can an individual Muslim pick, and choose what laws to follow, and what laws he doesn’t? Can he be part Muslim one day, and a full Muslim the next?
“As with common law, there is a concept of precedence. However, precedence always has to be taken into account with the context of a ruling(s) previously made.” I’m Having a hard time understanding that statement. In American jurist-prudence, we also have precedence, (case law), however, when we take it into account, it is used to ESTABLISH a ruling; there is no wiggle room.
The Shi'a/Sunni schism was the fault of non-Muslims? Wow, I'm psychic 'cause I totally saw that coming!
I imagine all the wars, raids, and assassinations led or ordered by Muhammed were likewise caused by non-Muslims. Must be hard to be that one pure man - especially when you've got that hot pre-pubescent bride waiting at home and all those haters force you to behead them. Cutting off limbs and waiting for them to bleed out takes up SOOO much potential play time!
Dude, I have no problem believing that you are a good person obedient to G-d's wishes as you perceive them. But NO objective account of Muhammed can be other than negative unless you consider him in the light of his age. As a seventh century Arab he's not so bad, though he's not particularly good either. For that matter, as a seventh century European he'd fit right in. But in the company of Jesus and Buddha he ain't looking so good.
Can anyone really imagine Jesus ordering his followers to strike off the limbs of those who insulted him and to watch them bleed to death? Imagine Buddha ordering an assassination squad to kill a man who disrespected him? Sorry, but it just isn't comparable.
You're correct though that Muhammed named his successor, but only as a preference.
eh? it's not hard at all. There are "rules" to live your life by according to your chosen religion that go beyond the rules/laws of the US.
In my case, as a Christian(no religious affiliation though) I try to live by the teachings of the bible and also try to live by the rules of our country. It's not that difficult. The freedom our country has allows me to live without the 2 conflicting much(if at all).
I don't see what's so difficult nor why you are trying so hard to not answer them. It would have taken less effort to answer them IMO.
werepossum, the above is not meant to be part of any meaningful discussion. You have just presented your viewpoint and stated it as facts, whereas it is just your personal opinion, and is borderline offensive.
I'm sure Jesus didnt order his "followers" to insult anyone.
If you have anything valuable (or not) to contribute, feel free to continue. I can indulge in discussions with members who are honestly here with the intent to engage in a dialogue and learn more about Muslims and Islam.
I can indulge in discussions with members who are honestly here with the intent to engage in a dialogue and learn more about Muslims and Islam.
translation: you are right and I don't know how to argue against facts so I will accuse you of bad behavior and thus announce your arguments invalid
Why do muslims circumambulate the kaaba (counterclockwise) seven times? What is the significance according to muslims?
Just as it's fuckin stupid to worrying about Sharia Law ever being adopted in the US. Yet many in this thread has berated the OP wanting to know his stance on the subject. soulcougher73'sa mention of bacon was meant as an insult cut and dry.
Just as it's fuckin stupid to worrying about Sharia Law ever being adopted in the US. Yet many in this thread has berated the OP wanting to know his stance on the subject. soulcougher73'sa mention of bacon was meant as an insult cut and dry.
Taejin, lol. Be merry with your translation.
Since when are questions so dangerous, geez...
What's a Sunnah?
FTM0305, come on guy, you dont need to be on AT PN to learn this.
Sunnah is the traditions/actions of Mohammad (sa). Example: Quran says prayers are obligatory. Mohammad (sa) showed his followers how to pray. That action is an example of an explanatory, i.e. Sunnah.
Just trying to understand the context of what you said before:
"Sharia basically refers to Islamic law. It is derived from the Quran, explained further by Hadith and Sunnah"
I thought maybe is was a specific document because of what wikipedia said here:
"Consultation to the Sunnah should only be made after referring to the Qur'an as the first text, if the issue is not contained within the Qur'an this is when the Sunnah is consulted."
What exactly does dialogue mean to you?
If anyone challenges you to provide a truthful accounting, you refuse.
If you are asked to answer contextual questions, you refuse.
If references and the studies of scholars learned in Islam are provided for your commentary, you refuse to consider them, almost like you have no knowledge of such things and do not wish to be introduced to them.
There have been no insults to you, other than those that question your sincerity and your ability to communicate without falsehoods. But if such comments are themselves accurate, then perhaps we might just consider them dispassionate observations, critical but with no personal ill will intended.
You don't actually seem to know much about Islam and seem to know nothing at all about Islamism, a topic so many here are concerned about.
That is not as shocking as it might at first seem. You make no claim to be an imam, or even a scholar of Islam, you do not publicly acknowledge any leadership role in imam Rauf's Cordoba Mosque project in NYC, though you do fervently hope it is built. If any of these characterizations are wrong, please correct me, I want to credit you with all the honors and knowledge that you deserve.
Many Muslims, like many Christians or Buddhists or Taoists are only passingly familiar with primary texts, the historical record and biography of primary characters. So you are really not that different here than anyone else who has a belief system, but is not particularly versed in the details.
Perhaps our comments will motivate you to delve deeper into study? I find challenges to be particularly good motivation to gain a broader understanding and to enrich my informal studies, may it also prompt you to the same.
Notwithstanding this, you want us to think that what you express is some kind of a generic Muslim "perspective."
But as you do not seem to be particularly well versed in the technical details, perhaps your offer is just to express your emotional response, let us know what your feelings are?
I for one do accept that you are Muslim and not some troll playing at being one.
Based only on your answers or inability to answer questions and comments put to you, I perceive either significant ignorance or willing misdirection. I would certainly not venture to consider your views "typical," but rather typically unaware of issues that you have not had opportunity to consider, what with your regular life and all.
A fair reading, thus far? I mean it would certainly explain the hundreds of non-responsive posts you have made.
Perhaps at some point you can let us know if it is a true lack of knowledge with a personal ego that refuses to acknowledge such in our little public forum, or an intent to misdirect and deceive which has pushed you to post so extensively without saying much at all.
Some here took you at your word, you know. They expected much, but got little. Maybe you got something more out of it than they. After all, we all have our individual motivations for participation.
I have run across some fascinating articles that I don't mind sharing so let me end here with a wish that you join us in study and consideration. As you build your knowledge of Islam and Islamism, just as some of us have, perhaps you might come back at some point and join us in a real dialogue.
You guys aren't getting Routan. He is perfectly willing to have a substantial discussion of Islam as long as nothing negative is said about Islam - in other words, he is perfectly willing to explain to you why you are wrong and to show you the beauty he finds in Islam. This is very common among Muslims in my experience. If a Muslim or a Muslim group did something wrong, then obviously it was caused by a non-Muslim and was certainly no more than an understandable reaction given the circumstances. If a Muslim murders a man who depicted Muhammed in a cartoon, his actions weren't necessarily right, but it must be pointed out that the murdered man caused his own murder by disrespecting Islam. If a Muslim or a Muslim group does something bad and no non-Muslim can be blamed, then the incident must not be discussed, or must be separated from his faith - even if he were yelling "allahu akbar" whilst committing the act. Even Chechen Muslims shooting Russian school children in the back were provoked. Since Islam is the highest, best cause, it can at worst come out even. Taqiyya and kitman. He's not insincere at all, merely unwilling to entertain the idea that his faith and his prophet are capable of not being the good side in any situation. We all have the same tendencies, it's just that Muslims have them as an act of faith. Pretty much the same could be said of Christianity until the Church lost its automatic authority (in most eyes) in the Schism. There are still vestiges of that in Christianity (witness the Catholic Church covering up known child molesters because to do otherwise would be to harm the Church) but thankfully most Christians agree that we should be judged (mortally anyway, judgment by G-d is a matter of faith) by our actions.
As Chris Rock said - "I ain't saying O.J. should have done it - but I understand."
FTM0305, sounds good. Yes, Quran is the primary source. Sunnah next, and so on. The aforementioned example of "how" prayers are done is not in the Quran, and explained by the Sunnah
So the Sunnah is an actual set volume of writing? I'm trying to find it on google books but no luck.
werepossum, you are actually right. You arent getting me.
Following Islam does not make an individual some super human, sinless, with absolute ethical and moral values.
Muslims are humans. Humans do terrible things. Its not "Muslims" who do terrible things because they follow Islam. They do terrible things with whatever justification they desire.
If a mother kills her own baby calling the child a devil, not every mother is at fault. If some random dude says "I am going to kill you because you are an infidel" does not make all Muslims at fault.
You can continue to present your views and portray Islam negatively. I am not here to answer every criticism you can bring forward.