You must have some kind of blinders on then. There are hundreds of Islamic orgs denouncing terrorism and the extremeists.
Links and quotes have been posted in this thread and the threads about the NY Mosque.
What steps should the US gov take to help with the Islamophobia in America?
Oh wait... the righties complain about that too.
I don't recall much, if any, news where radical imams were kicked out of their mosques...or where radical mosques were closed down. Words without action are meaningless. Meanwhile extremist Islam continues to grow...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-480470/Radical-Islamic-sect-half-Britains-mosques-grip.html
"A hardline Islamic movement, whose leading UK imam preaches anti-Semitism and calls on Muslims to "shed blood for Allah", is controlling almost half of Britain's mosques, a police report has found.
The influence of the ultra-conservative Deobandi sect, which is characterised by its total rejection of western values, has grown to such an extent that police now believe it runs more than 600 of Britain's 1,350 mosques."
If someone did not go out and find those links for us, if we were left to our own devices, would we ever hear or know of it? I think not. If a person did not know, how could they reasonably be expected to tell friend from foe?
While such efforts are important, it is even MORE important that the public knows of them. That they garner media attention and are broadcast enough to reshape the public image. Otherwise people like Major Hasan become the face of Islam and people like Routan suffer as a consequence.
The American people know Fort Hood. They do not know ANYTHING about the other side of Islam. That is what our government can fix. That is how you help build trust and work towards avoiding alienation.
Forget about the example in the news today (Al-Awlaki) as well as all the other attacks and attempted attacks on American soil...there's no problems with Islamic extremists in America...everything's peachy...just peachy.Why do you want to keep pointing your finger at the Euros and the Middle East?
And when your going to do that at least don't use the British number one tabloid.
I do believe the OP wanted to discuss what's happening on this side of the pond. The constant distractions to Europe and elsewhere is almost admitting the huge problem in the US that is the opposite of what we see over there.
Why do you want to keep pointing your finger at the Euros and the Middle East?
And when your going to do that at least don't use the British number one tabloid.
I do believe the OP wanted to discuss what's happening on this side of the pond. The constant distractions to Europe and elsewhere is almost admitting the huge problem in the US that is the opposite of what we see over there.
Forget about the example in the news today (Al-Awlaki) as well as all the other attacks and attempted attacks on American soil...there's no problems with Islamic extremists in America...everything's peachy...just peachy.
Both are arguably misleading according to many Muslim scholars,
Anwar al-Awlaki was homegrown...born in New Mexico, chief cleric of a San Diego mosque in the 1990's and the Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, VA where Major Hasan worshiped - Fort Hood, "spiritual adviser" to three of the 911 hijackers and associated with the Christmas day bomber. Extremist Islam is alive and well...and growing in America as it is in the rest of the world.I did not know Al-Awlaki was in America. You should give a heads up to the CIA.
I'll skip a couple of replies back and forth and go ahead and admit, I know America has spawned a lot of of folk who have fought against it's interests ( I remember the American Taliban). A lot of these folk have been religiously influenced and have been politically influenced.
But most of what is happening today in America is happening because of ignorance. And and as what tinker refers to as re-education (a choice word, I suppose to bring to mind the camps) may be a solution. But we'll just call it Christian Ethics.
So is it safe to assume that ALL Muslims HERE IN THE US are against Sharia Law, Honor Killings, etc and are willing to integrate into Western society and its traditions/laws/culture (i.e., no lawsuits because they are not allowed to take a drivers license photo while wearing a full head scarf)?
No, that would be retarded, since we know of honor killings happening in the US (Mostly Hindu).
Should any immigrant that believes and practices in traditions that counter existing existing traditions/laws even be allowed here? Why would such a person even want to come to the US if they still believe in archaic traditions that are in direct conflict with the modern values of the place they freely chose to go to? Unless they are willing to embrace our society and let go of these ancient beliefs (how likely would this happen anyway??), there will be nothing but conflict and negativity for this person and their family.
Many Muslim parents do not like the fact that they children are becoming 'Westernized'. How many Muslims are here that still feel it is okay to treat women as second class citizens? Or have problems with recognized federal US Holidays and want schools and businesses to change their schedules to accommodate them? Of course the US Constitution allows them to freedom to do this...However, these are just some issues that I think will continue to cause an 'US vs THEM' mentality.
This has nothing do with racism or xenophobia from US citizens...When in Rome, do as the Romans do...The Muslims here in the US that do not want to do this will be the ones that continue to cause these problems...
You say "most of what is happening today in America is happening because of ignorance"...what exactly is happening in America? And what do you mean by Christian ethics?
Islamophobia (ie. Islam+phobia, "fear") is prejudice against, or an irrational fear of Islam or Muslims.
And what do you mean by your reference to Christian ethics?I'm repeating myself but here please read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia
Islamophobia
Good to see we still have plenty of ignorant bigots here in AT.
And what do you mean by your reference to Christian ethics?
So is it safe to assume that ALL Muslims HERE IN THE US are against Sharia Law, Honor Killings, etc and are willing to integrate into Western society and its traditions/laws/culture (i.e., no lawsuits because they are not allowed to take a drivers license photo while wearing a full head scarf)?
They cannot become American on their own. The modern world of global communication takes a religion such as Islam and allows it to reach across the planet. It mixes national influences with religious dogma and binds them to a foreign image. Our enemies in other nations have the modern power to reach out to our population. They can influence them like never before in the history of mankind.This has nothing do with racism or xenophobia from US citizens...When in Rome, do as the Romans do...The Muslims here in the US that do not want to do this will be the ones that continue to cause these problems...
Your idea of Western Culture sounds a lot like some sort of Nazism. Here in Canada we don't practice this integration that you seem to want.
And believe it or not, but a lot of Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, British, Irish etc. etc. immigrants to America love their former culture and are proud of it.
P.S.- It's so weird talking immigrants to a bunch of immigrants.
Hmmm...so you saw some forums somewhere...where some "so-called Christians" had a lot of hate for Muslims and Islam and you apparently use this as your basis for slamming Christian ethics...do you not see your blatant hypocrisy?I don't know, I picked the name of a class that was offered in high school.
It just sounded better then re-education.
I would of used Theology, but they are mostly put on by a certain following and tend to push their brand
I know this would have to be non-mandatory and as such those who would benefit the most about learning about various religions would never bother.
We have religious folk arguing here and we have those who oppose religion in all its forms.
This being mostly a tech board, we have a lot larger (statistically compared to the US as a whole) number of atheists here.
I've peeked into US religious forums though and see a lot of hate from so called Christians.
I'm only Earl though, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, and don't claim to have all the answers.
The Christian ethos in this country is scary, and if there is at least one thing I can give to the Muslim community, they don't knock on my door.
Hmmm...so you saw some forums somewhere...where some "so-called Christians" had a lot of hate for Muslims and Islam and you apparently use this as your basis for slamming Christian ethics...do you not see your blatant hypocrisy?
Now that I understand where you're coming from...I'll agree with you on one point..."most of what is happening today in America is happening because of ignorance".
A bunch of immigrants? I'm not an immigrant. I was born on US soil. My mom was born on US soil as well. My grand parents on the other hand weren't. Know how much of Lithuanian culture is left in my family? None.
So you'll make distinctions and allowances for Christians who commit acts of terrorism but a bunch of guys who have been whoring it up, boozing it up, and partying at strip clubs before sending airplanes into buildings are clearly what Islam represents. Gotcha.(Ok City bombing) McVeigh was an anti-gov nut as kylebisme's link demonstrate (what's with quoting some blog-like thingy with some guy's opinion?). McVeigh did not belong to any faith, did not claim any connection to any religion etc. Was not looking for some other religioun's equivilent of '40 virgins' etc.
(Centenial park bombing) This was Eric Rudolph, he was a survivalist from the mountains of Western NC (quite near me).
The Christian ethos in this country is scary, and if there is at least one thing I can give to the Muslim community, they don't knock on my door.
Your idea of Western Culture sounds a lot like some sort of Nazism. Here in Canada we don't practice this integration that you seem to want.
And believe it or not, but a lot of Chinese, Japanese, Mexican, British, Irish etc. etc. immigrants to America love their former culture and are proud of it.
P.S.- It's so weird talking immigrants to a bunch of immigrants.