A Muslim's perspective

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Infohawk

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You can't generalise like that, no matter what group you select from (apart from evangelicals, LTTE style Hindus or Taliban style Muslims) you will find both good and bad, this isn't confined to any individual group.

If you want a Nazi tirade to confirm your fascist beliefs, you'll have to look elsewhere.

Now i'm off for a few days again so you won't get a reply to your reply to this post and i probably won't even read yours because it will be buried, if you think it's important enough for me to read it, PM me.

I'm not the one that called Pakistanis "pakis" and denied it was a prejudicial term.
 

brownzilla786

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I'm not the one that called Pakistanis "pakis" and denied it was a prejudicial term.

It is not a prejudicial term. Pakistani's call themselves beloved patriot all the time (at least the youth do). I have never heard of anyone being offended being called "beloved patriot"
 

Orignal Earl

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It's used as a derogatory term, at least in the UK.

I know a couple of Pakis who have never mentioned that to me?
I suppose it's all in the way a person uses it.
I can say * Sheesh them Americans* and everyone laughs, but you don't consider it derogatory.
 
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Well, if people want to distort the real Sharia law and make it into something it isn't in the Quaran then ok, that happens all the time but not in Iranian Courts nor in any other Muslim nation i'm aware of, not even in Pakistan which is about as fucked up as it gets.

What is 'real Sharia law'? Classical Sharia Law is kind of barbaric and disgusting (just like any other 1000 year old ideology would be), but I suppose most governments or people don't practice it to the letter anymore?
 

Deudalus

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(please that i have spoken out against burning the koran)

americans (and the western world) are very upset at the destruction of the twin towers and murder of 3,000 people, not to mention the numerous other terroristic actions (london bus/subway bombing, madrid train station bombing, etc. Etc etc.), yet we are told and accept that that these acts do not represent the arab or muslim world in general; they were just 'nuts' or radicals.

So, we have some so-called pastor (not even a real one) and about 2 dozen people threatening to burn a koran, how is it that the arab/muslim world apparently doesn't accept that these 'nuts' are not representative of america (or the western world)? Is everyone over here burning a koran? No, they're not, in fact most are speaking out against it.

So, why must we accept that acts of terorism are not representative of arabs/muslims, yet you guys do not have to accept that these people threatening to burn a koran are not representative of us?

Why is it that you do not repect the feelings of some people who find it offensive to build a mosque at the gz site, yet you demand that everyone respect your feelings about burning a koran?

Fern

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It's not a prejudicial term in the US, but it is definitely one in the UK.

You've got to be taking the piss?

Son, take a day off and watch some British humour, Pakis refer to other Pakis as Pakis and Brixtoners or Londoners or what the fuck have you do the same in day time TV shows, it's oversensitive twats in the US that get the impression that it's equivalent to "great person" in the US, it's not, never was, never will be.

Now, i don't mind Pakis, they are probably our best immigrants, Indians are probably the worst of the lot, well them and the new Muslim imports that are only out to stir shit up.

That has nothing what so ever to do with ethnicity or race, it really doesn't, it has to do with the behaviour and while India at least pretends that they put the Caste system to rest it's alive and well amongst Indians in the UK, along with honor killings and acid burning of their women which is almost exclusively done by Indians.
 
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You've got to be taking the piss?

Son, take a day off and watch some British humour, Pakis refer to other Pakis as Pakis and Brixtoners or Londoners or what the fuck have you do the same in day time TV shows, it's oversensitive twats in the US that get the impression that it's equivalent to "great person" in the US, it's not, never was, never will be.

Now, i don't mind Pakis, they are probably our best immigrants, Indians are probably the worst of the lot, well them and the new Muslim imports that are only out to stir shit up.

That has nothing what so ever to do with ethnicity or race, it really doesn't, it has to do with the behaviour and while India at least pretends that they put the Caste system to rest it's alive and well amongst Indians in the UK, along with honor killings and acid burning of their women which is almost exclusively done by Indians.

You are a delusional racist. It's well known that is a term that is considered prejudiced in the UK. There have been freaking UK news stories about it.
 
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What is 'real Sharia law'? Classical Sharia Law is kind of barbaric and disgusting (just like any other 1000 year old ideology would be), but I suppose most governments or people don't practice it to the letter anymore?

Point being that real Sharia law has to have two parties of the same mind, you cannot have a Muslim accuser and a defendant that isn't a Muslim, then it cannot be handled by Sharia law per the Quaran.

It's mostly a distorted version that's in use in small societies like the Taliban (who are just fucked in the head so completely that there is no cure but death) or in Governments that partially use it for some members of society.

But yeah, the law is fucking archaic, just like all religious law, same goes for the LTTE version of Hindu Caste law or JW law for their followers, orthodox Jews are equally fucked in the head.

Note that i am NOT using that as an excuse, it most certainly isn't, it's just a comparison to point out that the root of the problem is... well it's not even religious, look at the Kurds... it's cultural insanity based on whatever excuse they can come up with to execute their psychopathic bloodlust.
 
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Point being that real Sharia law has to have two parties of the same mind, you cannot have a Muslim accuser and a defendant that isn't a Muslim, then it cannot be handled by Sharia law per the Quaran.

That's just plain wrong. Classical Sharia Law applies to non-Muslims in Islamic lands. In fact, it discriminates against non-Muslims and even discriminates within the general category of non-Muslim depending on the religion.

Moreover, it also applies in cases of apostasy, which your definition would preclude the application of Sharia law.

Perhaps certain portions of the law are applied as you believe they are. However, Sharia Law does apply to non-Muslims in some circumstances.


But yeah, the law is fucking archaic, just like all religious law, same goes for the LTTE version of Hindu Caste law or JW law for their followers, orthodox Jews are equally fucked in the head.

Yeah, they're all barbaric and messed up. That's what happens when you follow a 1000+ year old ideology from a time when people all over the world were wallowing around in filth.
 

Deudalus

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At the end of the day in my opinion this all stems from a lack of ability to differentiate between a few things:

1st: Your religion and your political beliefs.
2nd: Your ability to differentiate between right/wrong and what is legal.

When you become so devoutly religious (in any faith) that you lose the ability to consider any point of view that is not based on your religion you often wind up looking like a hypocrite.

The United States works continually because it is governed by laws that protect the rest of us against intolerance.

That includes your intolerance as well.
 
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You are a delusional racist. It's well known that is a term that is considered prejudiced in the UK. There have been freaking UK news stories about it.

I've lived all of my life in the UK, more than 45 years and used the term liberally amongst everyone i know who was a beloved patriot, seen it daily on humour shows or regular programs but yeah....

What do i know, some American who claims to be Canadian who hates the UK who read a story about it knows better.

It's just fucking short for Pakistani.
 
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I've lived all of my life in the UK, more than 45 years and used the term liberally amongst everyone i know who was a beloved patriot, seen it daily on humour shows or regular programs but yeah....

What do i know, some American who claims to be Canadian who hates the UK who read a story about it knows better.

It's just fucking short for Pakistani.

Good to know that you've been using a racial slur for 45 years and watch racist programs.
 
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That's just plain wrong. Classical Sharia Law applies to non-Muslims in Islamic lands. In fact, it discriminates against non-Muslims and even discriminates within the general category of non-Muslim depending on the religion.

Moreover, it also applies in cases of apostasy, which your definition would preclude the application of Sharia law.

Perhaps certain portions of the law are applied as you believe they are. However, Sharia Law does apply to non-Muslims in some circumstances.




Yeah, they're all barbaric and messed up. That's what happens when you follow a 1000+ year old ideology from a time when people all over the world were wallowing around in filth.

At least we found one issue we could agree on, cheers on that one.

It's actually early morning here and i'm going to head out in a short while so if i dissapear in the middle of a discussion, that's why.
 

Orignal Earl

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Yeah, they're all barbaric and messed up. That's what happens when you follow a 1000+ year old ideology from a time when people all over the world were wallowing around in filth.

Now educate us on how the death penalty is a modern and wonderful thing and that the rest of the West just don't get it.
 
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Now educate us on how the death penalty is a modern and wonderful thing and that the rest of the West just don't get it.

There is no comparison.

Humane executions are not comparable to the religious versions of punishment for crimes that most of us would not even consider crimes.
 
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Now educate us on how the death penalty is a modern and wonderful thing and that the rest of the West just don't get it.

I think that the death penalty is pretty barbaric in itself, but at least in the US it is usually for the most serious of crimes...unlike Sharia Law which pretty much imposes the death penalty for pretty benign things. Also, other barbaric forms of punishment are imposed on people - such as amputations of limbs, stoning, whipping, etc.

That's all pretty barbaric, man. It's going to be barbaric if people stick with a 1000+ year old ideology for so many things, just like any other 1000+ year old set of beliefs.

People were dumb and wallowing around in mud and feces 1000 years ago. Why in the hell would anyone want to follow ANY ideology from such a time?
 
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I am being serious. Maybe you're just an out of touch old man?

Either that or i know what i'm talking about and you "read a story" about it at some point in some paper while you were Canadian in the US or American in Canada or whatever the fuck you are.

Personally, i really don't give a fuck and neither do they, if you're a beloved patriot who has a problem with me calling you a beloved patriot, well i'll just call you a Pak then, there, all better for your pissy arse.
 
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Either that or i know what i'm talking about and you "read a story" about it at some point in some paper while you were Canadian in the US or American in Canada or whatever the fuck you are.

Personally, i really don't give a fuck and neither do they, if you're a beloved patriot who has a problem with me calling you a beloved patriot, well i'll just call you a Pak then, there, all better for your pissy arse.

Nah, I'm not Pakistani.

I'm actually Mongolian.
 

Orignal Earl

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There is no comparison.

Humane executions are not comparable to the religious versions of punishment for crimes that most of us would not even consider crimes.

I wasn't going for the comparison to the religious versions.
I was going for the West Vs U.S. comparison.
I guess I was still carrying on with his comments to me from the NRA thread
He likes to call everyone outside the US barbaric
 
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