Simple questions for routan, as he can't answer the complicated ones -
Will you welcome a homosexual couple, married under the liberalized laws of New York or the US, as Muslims, with all the benefits and privileges of being Muslims, in your mosque?
The day I see muslim countries proactively fight against terrorism on their own volition because of their principles of maintaining peace and following the true will of Allah, is the day I will take your post as a reflection of the rest of Islam.
I urge you, do something. I, as a fellow "American" have.
Can you tell me which Muslim countries do not fight terrorism?
Do two terrorist groups fighting each other count?
Yeah, but violence is another thing in the US, yaknow... You can show a dismembered body and that is ok, but a womans nipple will bring fire and brimstone upon you.
I don't get it either...
Oh and yeah, you do shit and piss yourself when you get shot and then recieve morphine, that's why we follow UKREBEB before going into battle, there is enought to deal with without having to deal with that.
It stands for Uniform Knife Rifle Empty Bowels Empty Bladder
I don't know, who are you talking about?
Just a general question. Muslim whackjobs (not to be confused with non-whackjob Muslims) tend to blow up other Muslims more than non-Muslims. From what I understand it is kinda like gangwars with an extra scoop of crazy mixed in.
I don't see the Crypts or Bloods on any countries terrorist lists so my guess is it's not like gangwars.
Can you tell me which Muslim countries do not fight terrorism?
What did you do?
They aren't on the list of terrorists because they haven't openly and publicly declared war on westernized civilization and only exist to terrorize innocents in the name of their cause.
Can you tell me which Muslim countries proactively fight terrorism without influence (or persuasion)? Sorry to answer your question with a question but yours was formed without regard to what I wrote exactly.
More than talk about how things aren't my fault.
How about the country with the largest Muslim population in the world (~202.9 million)?Can you tell me which Muslim countries proactively fight terrorism without influence (or persuasion)? Sorry to answer your question with a question but yours was formed without regard to what I wrote exactly.
Simple questions for routan, as he can't answer the complicated ones -
Do you believe sharia should be the law of the land in America?
Do you believe that sharia compliance should be a factor in how life is lived in America? For Muslims? For non-Muslims?
Do you believe a parallel system of sharia law should exist in the United States, side by side with American constitutional law?
Do you live a life bound by sharia, above and beyond the laws of the United States?
Do you believe that faithful Muslims have a right, or an obligation, to live lives bound by sharia law above or instead of American constitutional law?
Do you advocate in your community that this "right" to live a sharia compliant life is an actual obligation if you are Muslim?
How do you treat someone who only accepts part of sharia and speaks out that the part that they reject is anti-American?
How do you treat someone who is Muslim but rejects sharia law entirely for other rules and standards for a good life?
Should a faithful Muslim fall in love and marry a polytheist, will you accept the spouse as an equal in your Muslim community?
Will you welcome a homosexual couple, married under the liberalized laws of New York or the US, as Muslims, with all the benefits and privileges of being Muslims, in your mosque?
If America rejects sharia, formally and officially, wherever and whenever it rises, will you be loyal to America or to Islam?
Do you believe Christian law, such as those regarding marriage, homosexuality, the sanctity of life, and abortion, should be the law of the land in America?How come I can't get some simple answers to some simple questions?
Do you believe Christian law, such as those regarding marriage, homosexuality, the sanctity of life, and abortion, should be the law of the land in America?
Christian believers in the Bible should be permitted to practice their faith and this is absolutely guaranteed by the American Constitution. I do not believe the Bible, which is, in fact, a collection of works by many authors seeking to present moral lessons, should be the law of the land. It is not ever presented as such and I challenge you to find a Christian theocracy anywhere other than the Papal State that occupies a neighborhood in Rome. Unlike the Koran, which is primarily a treatise on how to conquer and then to govern. And we both know that many Islamic states are, in fact, totalitarian theocracies.Do you believe that compliance with the Bible should be a factor in how life is lived in America? For example, for Christians seeking abortions? For non-Christians seeing abortions?
It does and it contributes to the greatness of the country.Do you believe a parallel system of the morality laid out in the Bible should exist in the United States, side by side with American constitutional law?
While I am nominally a Christian and find great wisdom in Christianity, I cannot claim to fully live a life bound by the words of Jesus Christ.Do you live a life bound by the words of Jesus Christ, above and beyond the laws of the United States?
Yes.Do you believe that faithful Christians have a right, or an obligation, to live lives bound by the words of Jesus above or instead of American constitutional law?
I am only nominally of this community but I believe those who consider themselves true Christians are obligated to live by the teachings of Jesus Christ.Do you advocate in your community that this "right" to live by the teachings of Jesus is an actual obligation if you are Christian?
As an independent thinker and a fellow American that has every right to choose a life that is bound by the obligations of citizenship and faith.How do you treat someone who only accepts part of Christianity and speaks out that the part that they reject is anti-American?
As an independent thinker and a fellow American that has every right to choose a life that is bound by the obligations of citizenship and faith. Which makes that person likely in the majority of us who claim Christianity but do not fully embrace the totality of Christian doctrine.How do you treat someone who is Christian but rejects some of the Bible's teachings entirely for other rules and standards for a good life?
I would and the Christian communities that I am familiar with do as well, without exception. Though prior to a marriage of that type occurring there is normally a counseling process to encourage both parties to embrace Christianity and to understand the issues that have to be faced, ie parenting, in a "mixed" family.Should a faithful Christian fall in love and marry a polytheist, will you accept the spouse as an equal in your Christian community?
No. I will accept that a homosexual couple will be joined in a contract or union under civil law, if that in fact is permitted, but faiths that have a different standard may choose not to recognize them as married under their own standard. My personal opinion is that marriage is a contract between a man and a woman and it exists as a time proven means to achieve an effective family structure in which to have and raise kids. All variations from this are experimental, maybe dangerously so, where the consequences are not fully understood. To me, the potential psychological, sociological and even physical risks to kids preclude my buy in to the proselytizing, especially that which is made by people who have little or no background as parents or possibly even as successful partners in long term relationships. I am generally critical of those who engage in social engineering for self-serving reasons rather than the good of society.Will you welcome a homosexual couple, married under the liberalized laws of New York or the US, as Christians, with all the benefits and privileges of being Christians, in your Catholic Church?
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”If America rejects the word of Jesus, formally and officially, wherever and whenever it rises, will you be loyal to America or to Christianity?
Not at all as I am an honest man and have done my best to answer with simplicity and clarity. You might do your best to twist my words and reflect your own viewpoint but they will remain my own thoughts and beliefs and those who are also honest men will read them and not mistake them for yours.Does answering any of these questions in favor of your beliefs and faith make you any less of a Christian, or any less of an American? Can your answer be easily twisted to cast you or your faith in a negative light?
Do you believe Christian law, such as those regarding marriage, homosexuality, the sanctity of life, and abortion, should be the law of the land in America?
Do you believe that compliance with the Bible should be a factor in how life is lived in America? For example, for Christians seeking abortions? For non-Christians seeing abortions?
Do you believe a parallel system of the morality laid out in the Bible should exist in the United States, side by side with American constitutional law?
Do you live a life bound by the words of Jesus Christ, above and beyond the laws of the United States?
Do you believe that faithful Christians have a right, or an obligation, to live lives bound by the words of Jesus above or instead of American constitutional law?
Do you advocate in your community that this "right" to live by the teachings of Jesus is an actual obligation if you are Christian?
How do you treat someone who only accepts part of Christianity and speaks out that the part that they reject is anti-American?
How do you treat someone who is Christian but rejects some of the Bible's teachings entirely for other rules and standards for a good life?
Should a faithful Christian fall in love and marry a polytheist, will you accept the spouse as an equal in your Christian community?
Will you welcome a homosexual couple, married under the liberalized laws of New York or the US, as Christians, with all the benefits and privileges of being Christians, in your Catholic Church?
If America rejects the word of Jesus, formally and officially, wherever and whenever it rises, will you be loyal to America or to Christianity?
Does answering any of these questions in favor of your beliefs and faith make you any less of a Christian, or any less of an American? Can your answer be easily twisted to cast you or your faith in a negative light?
Wouldn't it be easier to empty your bowels before the uniform, knife and rifle? And why the knife before the rifle? Don't get me wrong, I understand the importance of a knife on the battlefield but I would much rather forget the knife than the rifle.
I want to answer these too... fun fun
Absolutely not, all laws should be made from a secular viewpoint, with no one religion as primary influencer of the law.
Absolutely not. No one religion should be the primary influencer in how Americans live their lives. A common set of ethics yes.... religion no.
No. Absolutely not...
No.
No Americans must follow the secular laws of the United States above or instead of any religious laws. However any American can feel free to follow whatever religious laws they choose so long as the fall within the boundaries of American law.
No I believe every person has a right to decide for themselves what spiritual laws/teachings they choose to follow, up to and including any parts of any religion.
Our country values and protects free speech. I may or may not agree with what this person says, but I certainly have no right to stop this person from speaking their mind on any religion.
As an American it is their right to follow whatever spiritual path they desire so long as it falls within the boundaries of american law.
American law does not require you "accept" everyone into a social community, however cannot deprive another citizens of their rights based on their beliefs or who they choose to marry.
I would... but a religious organization is not required to religiously declare anyone married or not married. In our society the church's decision about your marital status has absolutely no bearing on any legal issue related to marriage.
Formally and officially denouncing a religion is not something I would ever advocate the United States doing... and I would oppose this action if it happened.
I'm a jew.
Not at all as I am an honest man and have done my best to answer with simplicity and clarity. You might do your best to twist my words and reflect your own viewpoint but they will remain my own thoughts and beliefs and those who are also honest men will read them and not mistake them for yours.
Originally Posted by routan View Post
my apologies. My intent was not to show who is suffering more. I was only trying to show the point that buring of the Quran makes Muslims VERY upset. I didnt mean to make it a who-suffers-more contest
(Please that I have spoken out against burning the Koran)
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Americans (and the Western world) are VERY upset at the destruction of the Twin Towers and murder of 3,000 people, not to mention the numerous other terroristic actions (London Bus/Subway bombing, Madrid train station bombing, etc. etc etc.), yet we are told and accept that that these acts do NOT represent the Arab or Muslim world in general; they were just 'nuts' or radicals.
So, we have some so-called pastor (not even a real one) and about 2 dozen people threatening to burn a Koran, how is it that the Arab/Muslim world apparently doesn't accept that these 'nuts' are NOT representative of America (or the Western world)? Is everyone over here burning a Koran? No, they're not, in fact most are speaking out against it.
So, why must we accept that acts of terorism are not representative of Arabs/Muslims, yet you guys do not have to accept that these people threatening to burn a Koran are not representative of us?
Why is it that you do not repect the feelings of some people who find it offensive to build a Mosque at the GZ site, yet you demand that everyone respect your feelings about burning a Koran?
Fern
routan,
In general, you professed muslims don't grok the spiritual vitality of your own religion.
Islam was originally a culturally-appropriate religious vehicle for true, vital spiritual insights. That lasted maybe 700 years or so, and then Islam died utterly dead as a doornail. As is the way of dead corpses, Islam gradually corrupted into a horrific dogma, embellished more upon more by wrong, spiritually ignorant, maya-blinded men lacking true spiritual enlightenment, and (mis)guiding the lives of all they influenced by misunderstanding as dogma that which was originally intended as allegory.
Result=in 2010 Islam is an ugly puss-filled sore infecting the body of humanity. Ive worked a lot of time in Moslem countries and have experienced it up close for lengthy periods.
Only talk which invokes imagery of Islams original spiritual vitality is able inspire converts and invigorate committed adherents. The reality envisioned by such talk is a false straw-man, W I L D L Y discrepant to the reality of Islam in 2010. Islam today is so utterly perverted through and through it is not even a true shadow of the original spiritually true Islam.
For example, a spiritual aspirant in any tradition interiorizing (yogic meditation) so deeply as to surpass common human understanding begins to gently awaken to perceptions of higher reality the immediate presence of God. A stray thought spontaneously arise to cross his field of awareness and interfere, THAT IS THE INFIDEL. THAT is what you moslems are supposed to kill or cut down or destroy or whatever your moslem terminology is. The infidel is the unwanted DISTURBANCE, spontaneously arising from body energies, that is to be eliminated (killed, destroyed, whatever) so the spiritual aspirant can become ever more completely absorbed into God awareness. Thats what the INFIDEL is.
But in 2010, that widely-understood metaphor is blindly MIS-READ by moslems as dogmatic fact (on the surface of life) that the infidel is any non-moslem human. Well thats a MIS-UNDERSTANDING!!!.
All the cultures all over this entire Gaia Earth understand this about Islam with only one exception: not Moslem people themselves, maybe because their traditions forbid progressive thinking commensurate with the advancing yuga ages influencing us all.
Moslem guys just find comfort in personal acceptance into their group, foe which their social theme is Islam, same as anybody finding group acceptance, which is always a wonderful feeling. Unfortunately, theirs is based upon the utterly sick, ill, twisted dogma grown grossly misunderstood from original Islam. People in 2010 who claim Islam as their faith dont even have a single clue what Mohammeds vital true spirituality was about. Islam in 2010, based upon what we plainly see in world news, is unrelated to any true spirituality, and is utterly perverted, hurtful of world-wide spiritual evolution.
Why did this post fall on deaf ears?