A New ATI 9700 pro review but the ATI 9700 pro does not look impression at all. (This is NOT the gamespot review)

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Yeah..the 9700 is suck!

 

[Dean]

Originally posted by: Rand

Originally posted by: shyfunky
You can't really base your judgements on just one site's reviews, especially when the site is not exactly "up there" in terms of reliability.

From what I've seen Chip.de is a rather highly respected german tech site.
That said, the anisotropic filtering, FSAA tests were hardly fairly compared.

I find it mildly perturbing Chip.de found a few driver issues with the R9700. They've made some impressive strides with the R8500 since launch, I hope they don't start to fall into their old habits again.
Still, this is pre-release so some bugs are to be expected.

Rand that review simply stinks and points towards 1 or 2 different senarios:

#1 chip.de is being the puppet under control of a huge pr machine!, or,
#2 chip.de is so blinded by the greasy smear look of Quincunx that they imputed incorrect data in their graphs

Thats one of the most biased reviews I have ever seen!!
They even benched Serious Sam using direct 3d!! WTF??????

 

[Rand]

Originally posted by: Dean

Originally posted by: Rand

Originally posted by: shyfunky
You can't really base your judgements on just one site's reviews, especially when the site is not exactly "up there" in terms of reliability.

From what I've seen Chip.de is a rather highly respected german tech site.
That said, the anisotropic filtering, FSAA tests were hardly fairly compared.

I find it mildly perturbing Chip.de found a few driver issues with the R9700. They've made some impressive strides with the R8500 since launch, I hope they don't start to fall into their old habits again.
Still, this is pre-release so some bugs are to be expected.

Rand that review simply stinks and points towards 1 or 2 different senarios:

#1 chip.de is being the puppet under control of a huge pr machine!, or,
#2 chip.de is so blinded by the greasy smear look of Quincunx that they imputed incorrect data in their graphs

Thats one of the most biased reviews I have ever seen!!
They even benched Serious Sam using direct 3d!! WTF??????

I never said it was a particularly good review- I even said some of their tests were hardly fair. That doesnt change the fact that they are a well respected online publicest. Arguably the biggest german tech site out there, and they have an awfully large following.

 

[McCarthy]

I'm no Serious Sam expert, heck, never heard of it outside of benchmarks, so I'm curious, what's so bad about benchmarking it in D3D? People can use D3D to run the game, can't they?

 

[BFG10K]

The anisotropic filtering and FSAA benchmarks are worthless because they're an apples vs oranges comparison (different settings used all over the place). I don't mind using ATi's 16x vs nVidia's 8x setting since the IQ isn't comparable anyway, but the rest of the settings were just all over the place.

In addition, I wonder if the testers took the time to manually adjust all of the settings in Serious Sam2 to the same levels or if they just used a few of the standard settings? Serious Sam's auto detection mechanism might have detected the Parhelia's low pixel fillrate and adjusted the detail settings to a lower value than the other cards had.

40% faster than the GF4 ti 4600 is not that many more frame rates.

Uh, yes it is (although you could argue that not for $400). With a 40% gain you can usually jump to the next resolution as settings that were previously marginally playable now become smooth.

60 FPS becomes 84 FPS.
90 FPS becomes 126 FPS.

That's a large gain.

Even 250 to 300% is not that much faster.

Whatever man. Something 300% faster is 2.5 times the speed of itself so if you're getting an unplayable 30 FPS that suddenly jumps to 75 FPS. 300% is massive.

I find it mildly perturbing Chip.de found a few driver issues with the R9700.

If these are the release drivers that will ship with the card then this is pretty worrying. Serious Sam2 is part of the standard benchmarks suite on most websites. If you can't run standard benchmarks then something is very wrong.

what's so bad about benchmarking it in D3D?

There's nothing wrong with it but if you're only running the benchmarks once then it pays to use OpenGL since the engine runs best under it. Of course chucking in Direct3D benchmarks next to the OpenGL ones is actually quite a good idea as you rarely get the opportunity to do this in any game.

activated edge smoothing still more wacker, she pushes herself - together with the Matrox Parhelia

LOL! You gotta love that transaltor.

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: Adul

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Yeah..the 9700 is suck!

 

[Aquaman]

Originally posted by: CrazySaint

Why not just WAIT a few days when we'll get some REAL reviews from web sites we TRUST like AT?

Exactly

Cheers,
Aquaman

 

[ParagonX]

I'm not gonna make any judgements now, but i can't wait to see what this card turns out to be. I'm building a new system and will be getting a new card soon. I'll wait a few weeks after its released to see if it's worth getting. By then there should be plenty of good reviews, not only from the major sites, but also from your guys opinion once a few of you actually have the card (and i know you guy's will post your opinion of it on the forums here once you get one ).

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Athlon4all

Originally posted by: Dean
Oh now thats a fair review!!

lets see here, this is his setup:



GF4: Quincunx + 8x AF (give me a break!!)

Parhelia: 16xFAA + 2x AF

R9700: 6xMS + 16x AF

Wait for some real benchies fellas

Dean

Not to put down that site, but that is most likely bending the numbers to make one product look better than the other. Quincux=2X FSAA, and where as the R9700 is 6X AA!!!!!:Q I'll add, the 9700 didn't do that bad

shhh... don't mention it! all the nvidia fanboys will hurt you!

 

[ed21x]

imtim83, i noticed your presence in several threads where you seem to thoughtfully filter out all anti-ati crap and hype up nvidia.... i mean it's waay too obvious of your bias.

just encouraging you to keep an open mind to both products. after all, ati and nvidia are both on alternating product release cycles and they've been exchanging the lead consistently. personally, i hold no company loyalties, but i won't deny that the radeon 8500 was a wonderful card, and it seems like by the end of this cycle, the nv30 should come out slightly ahead of the r300. not by much, but we all know how fanboys overhype a 10 fps lead of one card over another out of 200 fps

 

[Jinny]

Even 250 to 300% is not that much faster.

umm...yea sure.. 300% faster = is 4x faster.
If you were playing at 30frames per second, 300% will be 120 frames per second, big difference if you ask me..

unless i did my math wrong

 

[LikeLinus]

<<dude, imtim83, you seem to have it in for the 9700 in the last few posts/threads you have been involved in, lol.>>

Man I completely agree! This kid has done nothing but find reasons to trash the 9700 the past week. Sounds like someone is a NVidia fanboy and can't handle the heat. Pretty pathetic.

 

[tenoc]

Well, Anand's review is out now and he found zero driver problems along with impressive performance gains.

Time for huge helpings of crow pie for some people. You know who you are!

 

[Chadder007]

This BS of a review thread needs to die now....read the real review here... from ANAND!!!
Anand's review of the 9700pro!

....also Anand did find a problem with the drivers, He needed to reboot to get AA to turn on for UT2003.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
This BS of a review thread needs to die now....read the real review here... from ANAND!!!
Anand's review of the 9700pro!

....also Anand did find a problem with the drivers, He needed to reboot to get AA to turn on for UT2003.

do i hear a *smack!*

 

[HoiDaKalen]

Can someone please fully explalin to me what ansiotropic filtering means, and is used for -- I cant seem to figure it out. Also, when the $#$% will i be able to buy this damn 9700!!

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Chadder007
This BS of a review thread needs to die now....read the real review here... from ANAND!!!
Anand's review of the 9700pro!

....also Anand did find a problem with the drivers, He needed to reboot to get AA to turn on for UT2003.

ONE problem. A reboot was required for certain cettings to take effect.
How many times does Windows just plain work that way?
I'd call that a pretty darn good release, and if that's the ONLY problem then I say BRING IT ON, BABY!! This card is ready to kick butt and chew bubblegum!