A pc gaming lounge in NYC

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xSkyDrAx

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I don't think gamers would pay to play at a lounge for 4k gaming when they could save that money up and buy the equipment themselves.

You need to be able to provide them a service/experience that they can't just save up money for and set it up at home, i.e socializing type environment etc
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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Common sense dictates that people will pay for what they cannot acquire, granted the demand is present. People obviously demand better graphics or else the xbox one and ps4 would not be selling so well.



What is your rent per square foot in NYC? What are your upfront overhead and capital costs such as buildout and equipment purchases? How many systems will be available? What will be the hourly rate for using these incredible systems that people can't afford? How much will the average customer spend? What kind of traffic do you need to support your monthly expenses? What is your break even point?

How old are you? Entrepreneurship is admirable, but difficult. You are approaching this with the sophistication of a child.
 

Vdubchaos

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Gaming industry is at a point where they are trying to rip every little dime out of a consumer for things that have been in games/free all along.

Personally, gaming industry lost me.

I think its a downhill slope from here.
 

Workpac

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>Talks about factual truth
>Uses his opinion as a reference

There is an objective difference between the two. One is sharper, clearer, and on a bigger screen. Unless you mean to tell me a rational person would chose to play a muddy version of a game, you have to accept that difference between 4k and 1080p is objective.
 

BoberFett

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Arcades are dead? Ever heard of Dave and Busters? And not only nerds like to play games. Most college students enjoy their fair share of gaming. Really the business is for people like you guys. People who are surfing forums on a computer hardware website at around mid-day. Would you consider yourself a basement nerd for that?

You're not offering what Dave and Buster's is offering. You're offering a slightly upgraded version of what people can get at home.

You've also talked about pie in the sky ideas like letting people save their games to a server, apparently because they're going to spend hundreds of hours there playing Skyrim. Using what infrastructure? What kind of software and user identity management?
 

Rakehellion

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Jan 15, 2013
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You could play with your friends in person at a lounge such as the one i suggested. You could play with them in person on a better looking screen. The reason there is not enough buzz (which is definitely disputable) for 4k is because it is too expensive for the average consumer. People do not show interest in what they cant afford. Especially console gamers.

4K is just an incremental upgrade and isn't radically different like 3D and virtual reality, but even those people can get at home these days.

I've got a $500 gaming rig and I can play everything at ultra at 2560x1440. Why would I shower, put on pants, travel 20 minutes and pay someone and deal with SLI jitter just for a modest upgrade?

People aren't spending $20 to see movies in IMAX when they can watch Netflix in their underwear.
 

Workpac

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What is your rent per square foot in NYC? What are your upfront overhead and capital costs such as buildout and equipment purchases? How many systems will be available? What will be the hourly rate for using these incredible systems that people can't afford? How much will the average customer spend? What kind of traffic do you need to support your monthly expenses? What is your break even point?

How old are you? Entrepreneurship is admirable, but difficult. You are approaching this with the sophistication of a child.

If you like at my op you will see I am just gauging peoples interest. I am currently en route to getting a masters in economics so trust me when I say I probably know a bit more than you. I already figured out most of the aforementioned but I am just curious about what people have to say. And a rate of $7 per hour is affordable and I will offer discounts on bulk like say $20 for 3hrs. The goal is to have higher traffic as opposed to having the same people sitting there all day. That saps profits.
 

Rakehellion

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There is an objective difference between the two. One is sharper, clearer, and on a bigger screen. Unless you mean to tell me a rational person would chose to play a muddy version of a game, you have to accept that difference between 4k and 1080p is objective.

And paying a $15 cover fee is objectively worse than gaming at home in your boxers.
 

momeNt

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graphics is not what drives the demand for PC lan centers. Being able to host tournaments, and bring in popular gamers is what keeps them thriving. Gamer fame is a lot lower in the USA than in Europe or Asia though.
 

Uppsala9496

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If you like at my op you will see I am just gauging peoples interest. I am currently en route to getting a masters in economics so trust me when I say I probably know a bit more than you. I already figured out most of the aforementioned but I am just curious about what people have to say. And a rate of $7 per hour is affordable and I will offer discounts on bulk like say $20 for 3hrs. The goal is to have higher traffic as opposed to having the same people sitting there all day. That saps profits.

Book experience does not mean real world experience.
 

Rakehellion

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graphics is not what drives the demand for PC lan centers. Being able to host tournaments, and bring in popular gamers is what keeps them thriving. Gamer fame is a lot lower in the USA than in Europe or Asia though.

Bingo. Try this in South Korea.
 

Workpac

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4K is just an incremental upgrade and isn't radically different like 3D and virtual reality, but even those people can get at home these days.

I've got a $500 gaming rig and I can play everything at ultra at 2560x1440. Why would I shower, put on pants, travel 20 minutes and pay someone and deal with SLI jitter just for a modest upgrade?

People aren't spending $20 to see movies in IMAX when they can watch Netflix in their underwear.

You can play everything on ultra at 1440p with a $500 rig... yea at 5 fps lol. But if I gave you the benefit of the doubt, I would tell you that there are plenty of reasons. First off so you wont be the basement nerd you described yourself as. You could actually socialize with other people as you play. You could even play with your friends, permitting you have any. You can play at 4k resolutions which would run you at least 2-3k if you did it on your own. And while you are right people dont go to see IMAX when they can watch Netflix they do go to the regular movies. That would be the equivalent of what I am offering. Besides IMAX is not doing so bad, they just had a buyout.
 

disappoint

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I am considering opening up a pc gaming lounge in NYC. I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on this are. I would use UHD monitors and high end gaming desktops. I would also offer the ability to use mods and if possible the ability for people to save their games to a server.

Don't listen to the naysayers. This is doable. This can absolutely be done in any city no matter what the cost. You never mentioned anything about being able to turn a profit. If you're ok with a huge money sink for your enjoyment then you can do it. Personally I don't see what enjoyment I would get from bringing 4K gaming to strangers with no financial gain but I'm not you.
 

BoberFett

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Oct 9, 1999
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If you like at my op you will see I am just gauging peoples interest. I am currently en route to getting a masters in economics so trust me when I say I probably know a bit more than you. I already figured out most of the aforementioned but I am just curious about what people have to say. And a rate of $7 per hour is affordable and I will offer discounts on bulk like say $20 for 3hrs. The goal is to have higher traffic as opposed to having the same people sitting there all day. That saps profits.

A PhD in economics will help you work as an economist. It will not help you run a business.

I will tell you right now that $7/hr will not even pay your rent.

Masters in economics, LOL!
 

Workpac

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Book experience does not mean real world experience.

True but people experience counts. People always spend unnecessarily. The sad truth is all we have to do is be made to BELIEVE that we need good x, and that is sufficient to force a purchase.
 

Uppsala9496

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You seem pretty set on this, so go for it. I would love to see your business plan and how you are going to get the capital to afford the equipment, software, rent, etc. Would be an entertaining read.
 

Capt Caveman

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If you like at my op you will see I am just gauging peoples interest. I am currently en route to getting a masters in economics so trust me when I say I probably know a bit more than you. I already figured out most of the aforementioned but I am just curious about what people have to say. And a rate of $7 per hour is affordable and I will offer discounts on bulk like say $20 for 3hrs. The goal is to have higher traffic as opposed to having the same people sitting there all day. That saps profits.

Huh? Who cares if it's the same people or not, you just want those gaming stations filled, it's not like a restaurant where if people linger, you're not making money. And if you did the math, $7/hr isn't going to cut it with costs/overhead unless you're factoring in other revenue streams like food/drink/etc.
 

Rakehellion

Lifer
Jan 15, 2013
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True but people experience counts. People always spend unnecessarily. The sad truth is all we have to do is be made to BELIEVE that we need good x, and that is sufficient to force a purchase.

"The sad truth." Don't use that as your company tagline.

So you just admitted your idea is crap and you're counting on rich idiots to line your pockets.
 
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"The sad truth." Don't use that as your company tagline.

So you just admitted your idea is crap and you're counting on rich idiots to line your pockets.
Problem being that those rich idios probably have the 4k setups he's counting on them not to have.
 

Maleficus

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the key is tournaments and fostering a community.

take a book from Superarcade in Cali and Battle Circuit in NYC, It's virtually the same demographic. Battle and Brew or something like that in some backwoods tennesse or oaklahoma or something like that is another good example.
 

Uppsala9496

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If people truly believe 4K is a must have, then the populace will start purchasing 4k monitors/tv's That in turn will reduce the cost of said item and make it where everyone can enjoy a 4K monitor/tv for cheap. Look at HD. Same thing happened.

So that kind of throws a wrench in your plan of being an exclusive provider of the product.
 
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