A question on conscience...

ST4RCUTTER

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I have two computers comprising my home network. I'm running the original version of 98' on my 2nd computer because I feel bad about installing W2K on it and breaking my licensing agreement. Thing is my 98'box is nowhere near as stable and It's driving me crazy. I really can't afford to pony up another $90-100 for another W2K. What would you do? Install W2K a second time and break your license agreement or just deal with the jacked up box. I've tried running Mandrake 8.0, but I have hardware that had no Linux drivers, and I'm not about to write my own drivers. I realize this sounds a lot like whining, and it is, but what would you do?
 

calpha

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I don't think what you have is really an issue.

If you buy W2k and give it to ten people, then that's bad. If you buy Win2k and run it on computers that only you're using I don't think that you're thats bad. It may break the eula, but I don't think it's really a problem. BTW, this same reason is why I'm not upgrading to XP b/c I'm not buying separate licenses for my computers that only I use ( I develop from Home and have a big test bed).

I ran into the same dilemna as you did....with my mom. I built her a machine several years ago, and was going to give her 98 since I had that CD.....but I ended up going for the OEM Version just to be good. That being said, I was still a hypocrite b/c I have Office 2000 and I wasn't about to charge my mom for that.

I think that most individuals who have multiple machines, will pay for one license of whatever software they buy. I think that is also what's fair to the software companies. All the above is IMHO btw.
 

JMorton10

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>What would you do?
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Install W2K a 2nd time of course.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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Creative Esoniq sound card. Voodoo 2 graphics accelerator, and I think the D-link NIC was giving me a headache as well.
 

Dan

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"Slippery slope" arguments notwithstanding, I don't have a problem with someone who installs their personal copy of a Microsoft OS on a 2nd personal computer.
 

jhu

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there should be linux drivers for the sound card, voodoo2 (need to look on the net or email/pm me), and the ethernet card
 

jaywallen

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To me this is all a matter of ethics. When I enter into an agreement with someone I assume that the other party will live up to the stipulations of the contract. Once-in-a-while I'll cut the other party a break and not hold her/him to the letter of the contract if I can see that an honest effort at compliance has been made OR if I see that the other party's circumstances would make meeting the terms of the contract an unreasonable burden. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't appreciate it if the other party simply assumed that s/he could alter the terms of the agreement carte blanche without so much as a by-your-leave. So I try to be absolutely fastidious in making sure that I abide strictly by any terms of a contract into which I've entered. My attitude is that the time for negotiation is BEFORE the contract is entered. If I were to run into an unusual circumstance where I felt I would be harmed unduly by my efforts to abide by a contract, and if I also felt that getting an exception to the terms would not hurt the other party, then I'd ask that party to be released from absolute adherence to the problematic terms. But I'd still abide by the contract if the other party insisted. And I wouldn't hold a grudge about it.

After all, if I want to be able to hold others accountable to the letter of the law when it benefits me, I should be willing to abide by the same precept when it benefits others. If I feel that the price and terms of use of a given bit of software software is out of proportion to its utility, I use an alternative that offers me a utility / price ratio more to my liking. Since I used to work with software and operating systems which cost several thousands of dollars per workstation, and many thousands per server, the Win2K and WinXP OSes look just fine to me. On the other hand, by eliminating the EULA provision to use a single license for Office for my personal notebook and desktop systems, Microsoft has priced OfficeXP right out of the running for me. I like to annoy the managerial types anyway, so I use a freeware applications suite on my personal machines, and anyone who wants me to use my personal machines to work with files they produce has a choice of dealing with my file format requirements or buying me a copy of OfficeXP for each machine. (In my retirement I work exclusively for non-profits / research groups, so you can imagine how likely they are to buy me two copies of OfficeXP.)

Heck, for memos and letters and stuff I love to use a text editor -- with the Courier font. That really makes the neck veins stand out on some of the corporate types.

 

Raincity

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I bought copies for all three of my Win2K boxes. Its exspensive but I believe you should pay for what you use. Its not up to you on deciding what is fair or not with the EULA. If you dont like the rules then dont buy the product. I also believe that with all the growth we have seen with home networking that software companies need to offer bigger breaks in multiple licenses with home users.

RAin
 

Scuttle

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I would install on more than one computer, as i have always done, and will continue to do for as long as possible. If MS think i'll be spending £1000 just to get my computers running nice and stable, then they are simply wrong. I have no problem in doing this, i own a license for the software and see that as my families license, not just mine.


My £.02.
 

compudog

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I try to abide by the Eula. I do not install any MS software that leaves my home/shop for a customer without a License. I admit that I have installed Win98 SE on three PC's I use here at home. I bought Win 95, Win98, Win98 SE and a Win98 SE upgrade (along with WFW 3.11, DOS 6.22, DOS 5.0) that's 7 flavors of MS OS's. If I have 3 PC's running the same OS, but I legally own 7 OS copies, is that bad? In order to completely comply I would have shucked out close to $300.00 in addition to all the MS stuff I already own.
...Though jaywallen has an interesting work-around for the prob (notepad w/courier font LOL!) as well.
 

ST4RCUTTER

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there should be linux drivers for the sound card, voodoo2 (need to look on the net or email/pm me), and the ethernet card

I agree, there should be, but I can't find them anywhere. I found some guy in Germany who was writing a driver for the Esoniq, but it was the wrong chipset version. As for the D-link, I checked again and found a driver for Redhat. Can I use this driver on Mandrake?


I also believe that with all the growth we have seen with home networking that software companies need to offer bigger breaks in multiple licenses with home users.

That's it right there. We're entering an age where one computer per house hold is increasingly not the norm. Granted, MS stands to lose a bit of money if they do this, but as other OS's become more user friendly they stand to lose it if they don't.
 
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