A Racial Slur, a Viral Video, and a Reckoning

[pauldun170]

It is Adult Language.

Yes, I am upset that the Public reacted "unfavourably". I find this reaction to be overly judgemental of a Childs stupidity.

I don't blame the school.
America has proven itself to be batshit insane and the child's stupidity was inviting nonsense that the school has no obligation to deal with.
A teenager with her whole life ahead of her will recover.

Summary - Stupid Child does not get school of choice.

 

[Jaskalas]

So she's 19 now, made the N-word video in 2016, as a stupid 15 year old, and has since expressed support for BLM, but her life is still being ruined by this? Not sure this is a shining achievement for civil rights.

In our society people focus HEAVILY on destruction. Of tearing others down and shunning them as the consequence of their prior actions. We pay little to no value towards forgiveness and of construction. Of building people up and helping mold and shape them into a better future. We play a game of scorched earth where everyone is trying to burn the other "side" down. And mark as many people as being "other" and thus deserving of such retribution.

Felons and people exiting jail / prison are in similar regard. Once having sinned, our society tries to enforce a de facto life sentence.

 

[HardWarrior]

No, it really doesn't. Are you saying that racism doesn't exist in the USA?

I said no such thing or hinted as much. Are you trying to bait me, Ch? If so you need to know that it won't work. I'm not the average "hood rat."

 

[HardWarrior]

In our society people focus HEAVILY on destruction. Of tearing others down and shunning them as the consequence of their prior actions. We pay little to no value towards forgiveness and of construction. Of building people up and helping mold and shape them into a better future. We play a game of scorched earth where everyone is trying to burn the other "side" down. And mark as many people as being "other" and thus deserving of such retribution.

Felons and people exiting jail / prison are in similar regard. Once having sinned, our society tries to enforce a de facto life sentence.

I agree, but with two concerns. A tiny social media cohort is driving cancel culture. Must people just want to be left alone. As for criminal justice, when you consider some of the horrible\selfish\arrogant things people can do, why is it a good idea to "forgive them?" Criminal types have a beautiful and easy choice, DO or DON'T commit the crime. Simply put, keep your hands off other people and their property. If a person violates this simple edict, they deserve whatever happens to them. And this without ANY silly considerations like ethnic makeup or perceived cultural inheritance.

I have to ask, and with no insult intended, have you every met a dyed-in-the-wool criminal personality or been victimized by one? I'm not trying to punk you either. I'd just like to know where you're coming from.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I said no such thing or hinted as much. Are you trying to bait me, Ch? If so you need to know that it won't work. I'm not the average "hood rat."

In a truly racist society blacks would be no better off than most of us were during slavery and shortly thereafter. Instead, blacks exist on every economic and professional rung of the big ladder, just like whites. To see us only as poor, set upon and terrified chocolate people isn't seeing reality. I listened to a black Astrophysicist run on about potential alien worlds last night. It was fabulous! Hence racism is on "life support" on nowhere near the problem some want to believe it is. If you want more Mr. Sowell wasn't shy about his thoughts/opinions.

I hope this addressed your almost-question.

I mean, this is what you posted. Maybe you can clear it up.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In our society people focus HEAVILY on destruction. Of tearing others down and shunning them as the consequence of their prior actions. We pay little to no value towards forgiveness and of construction. Of building people up and helping mold and shape them into a better future. We play a game of scorched earth where everyone is trying to burn the other "side" down. And mark as many people as being "other" and thus deserving of such retribution.

Felons and people exiting jail / prison are in similar regard. Once having sinned, our society tries to enforce a de facto life sentence.

Worse than that, people focus on always being a victim of someone else.

It's always THEIR fault. It's never the fact that the average American spends 10 hours a day starring at a TV screen or a smartphone screen as part of their "productive" day.

 

[HomerJS]

Worse than that, people focus on always being a victim of someone else.

It's always THEIR fault. It's never the fact that the average American spends 10 hours a day starring at a TV screen or a smartphone screen as part of their "productive" day.

Sure it was the black students fault they were being racially harassed and no administrator in the district cared. It's always the black people's fault.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Sure it was the black students fault they were being racially harassed and no administrator in the district cared. It's always the black people's fault.

See Case #352353453-2AB

As HomerJS attempts to strawman my post beyond belief - make it racial where it wasn't - and proclaim and profess victimhood.

Thanks HomerJS for citing a perfect example of how to fail in life.

 

[HardWarrior]

I mean, this is what you posted. Maybe you can clear it up.

I'm not known for a lack of ability when it comes to self-expression. Do you have a question?

 

[shortylickens]

I don't blame the school.
America has proven itself to be batshit insane and the child's stupidity was inviting nonsense that the school has no obligation to deal with.
A teenager with her whole life ahead of her will recover.

Summary - Stupid Child does not get school of choice.

Yeah I am of the opinion we need to stop treating schools like daycares and start treating them like educational institutions again. America seemed to be a world leader back when we actually prepared kids for the real world.
Push math and science, critical thinking, and history. Cuz we keep repeating it and I'm getting sad.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeah I am of the opinion we need to stop treating schools like daycares and start treating them like educational institutions again. America seemed to be a world leader back when we actually prepared kids for the real world.
Push math and science, critical thinking, and history. Cuz we keep repeating it and I'm getting sad.

If you want schools to stop being daycares, then why do you care about social issues of the person (e.g. bullying, social media, etc?) all of those have zero relation to education.

Especially a random 3-second video.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm not known for a lack of ability when it comes to self-expression. Do you have a question?

Sure, what hidden agenda is present by admitting the USA still contains racism. I'm not sure why someone needs to ask you to explain, it was your statement, and it would be good if you didn't use your own anecdotes, if possible.

 

[HardWarrior]

It is Adult Language.

Yes, I am upset that the Public reacted "unfavourably". I find this reaction to be overly judgemental of a Childs stupidity.

Why wouldn't you use the word "canceled?" It defines the outcome solicited by the people who are allowed to practice it.

Sure, what hidden agenda is present by admitting the USA still contains racism. I'm not sure why someone needs to ask you to explain, it was your statement, and it would be good if you didn't use your own anecdotes, if possible.

America needs to admit a condition that exists everywhere as if it's our issue alone?. People everywhere have a tendency to dislike the "other." The determining factor is how said culture responds to that innate condition. The US has come a long way towards redeeming itself. Things will continue to improve over time, as they have for the 63-years I've been vertical. White people, who weren't slave owners, need to take a knee to people who weren't slaves? They're stupid if they do.

Why should I treat you like a child? I've already expressed my view as a black man on the subject of race in America. I can go much further, but not just to type at open air. If you FEEL that i need to re-explain it's on you, not me. If you're offended by anecdotes you aren't quite as pure as you think, because blacks tend to speak in anecdotes, at least where I come from. AGAIN, if you have a question or something you want to discuss, let's go.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why wouldn't you use the word "canceled?" It defines the outcome solicited by the people who are allowed to practice it.


America needs to admit a condition that exists everywhere as if it's our issue alone?. People everywhere have a tendency to dislike the "other." The determining factor is how said culture responds to that innate condition. The US has come a long way towards redeeming itself. Things will continue to improve over time, as they have for the 63-years I've been vertical. White people, who weren't slave owners, need to take a knee to people who weren't slaves? They're stupid if they do.

Why should I treat you like a child? I've already expressed my view as a black man on the subject of race in America. I can go much further, but not just to type at open air. If you FEEL that i need to re-explain it's on you, not me. If you're offended by anecdotes you aren't quite as pure as you think, because blacks tend to speak in anecdotes, at least where I come from. AGAIN, if you have a question or something you want to discuss, let's go.

Show me where I said it was our issue alone. Our response to the condition is the reason I made the statement to Ackmed, you know...the one you quoted. There are many people who think racism in the USA is gone, doesn't exist.

I like how you wanted a specific question, and then proceed to call me a child to asking a question. You're not as clever as you think you are....oh and then didn't answer the question, lol.

 

[cytg111]

Why wouldn't you use the word "canceled?" It defines the outcome solicited by the people who are allowed to practice it.


America needs to admit a condition that exists everywhere as if it's our issue alone?. People everywhere have a tendency to dislike the "other." The determining factor is how said culture responds to that innate condition. The US has come a long way towards redeeming itself. Things will continue to improve over time, as they have for the 63-years I've been vertical. White people, who weren't slave owners, need to take a knee to people who weren't slaves? They're stupid if they do.

Why should I treat you like a child? I've already expressed my view as a black man on the subject of race in America. I can go much further, but not just to type at open air. If you FEEL that i need to re-explain it's on you, not me. If you're offended by anecdotes you aren't quite as pure as you think, because blacks tend to speak in anecdotes, at least where I come from. AGAIN, if you have a question or something you want to discuss, let's go.

It looks like you enter the discussion from a point of "Racism is not what you make it out to be."
Then someone asks you what it does look like.
Then you take offence at being baited?
So right now you have positioned x, no racism at all, and y, an all out racist society and declared that its neither x nor y. It doesnt give anyone here a whole lot to go on in terms of what your actual position is?
Talking racism in the US with my teenage kids (from the outside, Europe), the main point of entry I use is white Congress and diverse Congress, aka Republicans and Democrats.
Whats your take on Georgia and the massive undertaking Stacy Abrams has undertaken there. Is that in any way connected to racism?
Racism at its core is a very narrow definition and a lot of what is being tossed for racist today probably doesnt fit 100%. Im not sure that adds or takes away from the convo though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

It looks like you enter the discussion from a point of "Racism is not what you make it out to be."
Then someone asks you what it does look like.
Then you take offence at being baited?
So right now you have positioned x, no racism at all, and y, an all out racist society and declared that its neither x nor y. It doesnt give anyone here a whole lot to go on in terms of what your actual position is?
Talking racism in the US with my teenage kids (from the outside, Europe), the main point of entry I use is white Congress and diverse Congress, aka Republicans and Democrats.
Whats your take on Georgia and the massive undertaking Stacy Abrams has undertaken there. Is that in any way connected to racism?
Racism at its core is a very narrow definition and a lot of what is being tossed for racist today probably doesnt fit 100%. Im not sure that adds or takes away from the convo though.

I mean, if the argument is that racism is dead because we're using more specific terms to identify discrimination, I can roll with that. But I'll need to know what terms were using to describe ethnic or cultural discrimination

 

[cytg111]

I mean, if the argument is that racism is dead because we're using more specific terms to identify discrimination, I can roll with that. But I'll need to know what terms were using to describe ethnic or cultural discrimination

I mean, I get it, someone telling you that you are subject to racism sort of puts a victim label on you. I can understand why someone would object/take offense to that. I am way too strong and smart to be no victim. Maybe its that? Doesnt mean that the Brains of Kemps is not still out there though.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I mean, I get it, someone telling you that you are subject to racism sort of puts a victim label on you. I can understand why someone would object/take offense to that. I am way too strong and smart to be no victim. Maybe its that? Doesnt mean that the Brains of Kemps is not still out there though.

WRT the OP, the article describes a school environment where racism exists, and students were ignored when they reported it. That also encourages the offenders, because they think there's no consequences.

I think you'll find many victims rising above it, not always in the way that makes them someone to mimic, but still doing what they can to move on. That doesn't mean we just ignore the root cause, especially when almost 60 years after a major social upheaval the country still has discrimination problems.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Nom nom nom, I love the taste of privileged white people telling black people what racism is and how to fix it, and how its effecting them.

Ahhh the sweet bliss of social justice warriors telling other people how victim-ized they should be feeling - about something that doesn't even relate to them.

No one here in this entire forum has ever said racism doesn't exist. But you just keep peddling your own moronic narrative and proclaiming that it exists.

 

[HomerJS]

See Case #352353453-2AB

As HomerJS attempts to strawman my post beyond belief - make it racial where it wasn't - and proclaim and profess victimhood.

Thanks HomerJS for citing a perfect example of how to fail in life.

Uuugh the black students in that district say it was racial. Are they lying?

 

[JD50]

Uuugh the black students in that district say it was racial. Are they lying?

It's fun watching him argue with you while he simultaneously complains about white people telling black people what racism is.

 

[HomerJS]

If you want schools to stop being daycares, then why do you care about social issues of the person (e.g. bullying, social media, etc?) all of those have zero relation to education.

Especially a random 3-second video.

Silly fool. Thinks this is all because of a 3 second video. The same silly foll that tried to lecture us about context.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Nom nom nom, I love the taste of privileged white people telling black people what racism is and how to fix it, and how its effecting them.

Ahhh the sweet bliss of social justice warriors telling other people how victim-ized they should be feeling - about something that doesn't even relate to them.

No one here in this entire forum has ever said racism doesn't exist. But you just keep peddling your own moronic narrative and proclaiming that it exists.

Screaming at the mirror, as usual.

 

[HardWarrior]

Then you take offence at being baited?
So right now you have positioned x, no racism at all, and y, an all out racist society and declared that its neither x nor y. It doesnt give anyone here a whole lot to go on in terms of what your actual position is?
Talking racism in the US with my teenage kids (from the outside, Europe), the main point of entry I use is white Congress and diverse Congress, aka Republicans and Democrats.
Whats your take on Georgia and the massive undertaking Stacy Abrams has undertaken there. Is that in any way connected to racism?
Racism at its core is a very narrow definition and a lot of what is being tossed for racist today probably doesnt fit 100%. Im not sure that adds or takes away from the convo though.

It seems that you're incapable of viewing this issue with any sense of real curiosity. I'll try express genuine "racism" in a way that you can understand.

I'm not offended by your CRT approach to something you have zero direct knowledge of.

Sure, racism still exists, but it's no where near the problem it once was. I've said as much, but you've managed to IGNORE it. I go where I want, when I want, with my beautiful white wife or alone. I hedge my bets by being armed much of the time. My life wouldn't have been near this easy 70+ years ago. This is what I meant when I said that things WILL get better still, but only if American blacks get busy holding up our part of the deal. I know you despise anecdotes, but since you don't have the power to enforce your speech codes on me...

My mother (born in 1922 Chicago) HATED whites with a fiery passion (for reason), however she was able to restrain those thought's, becaue she was smart enough to know that feeling that way could be counter-productive for her and my siblings. One of her best friends was white.

My dad (born in 1929 Mississippi) couldn't care less about whites. Strange huh? When I was old enough to ask him about his experiences and understand the responses, he mentioned that his family didn't interact with whites much because they had everything they needed to survive. This included a family show farm. He also told me that his time in Korea, during the war, was even easier in racial terms.

Being raised by two such powerful opinions prepared me to exist in this country in ways you don't seem to think possible, cy.

Your x-y spiel doesn't wash. Simplify and re-state please.

My position is this, we (by that I mean all of us) need to get passed tribalism and hidden agendas' for the sake of PEACE. You know, that societal\personal construct that allows you and I to live with as little fear as possible while we negotiate our lives. Is that clear enough? I sure hope so. What's next?

I don't care about the ambient skin color of congress. As long as they behave according to Constitutionally approved norms they're golden. If you're knowledgeable about current events in the US you have a front-row seat to what happens when two essentially currupt and powerful political parties go at each other, pulling their respective enablers/constituents along for the ride.

Republicans: A sad case without Trump. They're going to live what they say or be swept aside. They're relatively quiet in their grifting and talk a big game delivering nothing to their constituents. These folks suck too, just nowhere near as bad as Washington democrats.

Democrats: Out in the open now. In spite of their claims of being for this or that micro-culture, they do nothing right for our country. They're devoid of common sense. They've even, openly mind you, started using barbaric ANTIFA/BLM shock troops to scare the population into silence and constant doubt. Also and this needs to be said STRONGLY, democrats couldn't care less about "diversity", except when they can use it as a sword/shield against their enemies. In spite of what any of you might think of me, believe what I say here or prove me wrong with your own experience's or facts. BTW, I was born a democrat, lived under and among them for the first part of life.

Find a trusted source of your own or a site like Parler to expand your political/social horizons. Doing so is very important. Research the history of the democrat party and be amazed at the depravity of their current\former leadership. Democrat voters, put your "feelings" aside and THINK.

Stacey Abrams? She's a megalomaniac covered with fat and a road-company version of George Soros, without the billions. Racism? Sure, if that translates into power, worship and money for >her<. I could go on when it comes to this disgusting woman, but I'll leave it here. May I ask, what you expected me to say on this topic, cy?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Stacey Abrams? She's a megalomaniac covered with fat and a road-company version of George Soros, without the billions. Racism? Sure, if that translates into power, worship and money for >her<. I could go on when it comes to this disgusting woman, but I'll leave it here. May I ask, what you expected me to say on this topic, cy?

He expects you to fall in line with what his defined expectations are for black/brown people. He thinks you are fighting against your own self-interest and are just ignorant.


It's irony at its finest.